(11-06-2021 08:34 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 08:13 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 07:56 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 07:45 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 07:37 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  Triple option is an FCS offense, no FBS coach in their right mind in this day and age would try to run it.

That's bull crap. You're running over us with options schemes mixed with man-blocking tonight. If you combine the right personnel and talent with any offensive scheme, it will work.

An RPO and a triple option are 2 totally different offenses, you understand that right?? I didn’t say running an option based offense wouldn’t work, I said a TRIPLE option offense won’t. Show me an FBS team from the past 30 years who’s had consistent success with the triple option. Georgia Tech? What did they average, 6 wins a year? Navy or Army?

RPO and triple option are plays, not offenses. If you are referring to the flexbone, a veer based offense that was developed at Hawaii and Georgia Southern, I still disagree. GT average 7.5 wins over 11 years of running the flexbone, a conference championship and an Orange Bowl victory... certainly above average for the 21st century GT. While Navy is down right now, they have experienced more success over the last 15 years since the pre and post war teams. Same with Army. I don't anyone that wants to play Army right now, we have and lost last year. If executed properly, it clearly works.

RPO and triple options aren’t plays, theyre offensive plans/schemes. You could design dozens of plays around each.
Triple option is designed to have the option of 3 runners getting the ball and typically the ball gets passed less than 10 times a game. If you think you can get the talent to have success with that in the SBC with the good teams we already have and 4 more good programs coming in, good luck.

Good game.

Your team runs a spread offense. They run lots of plays out of that offense including the RPO, triple, double option, power, and many more plays. They execute them at an extremely high level too.

Lol **** my life.

We had to have a desperation score to make sure we didn't get shut out at home by a conference opponent for the first time in our history.

This season needs to hurry up and end. This has been the least fun I've had in over 20 years as a Georgia Southern fan.

(11-06-2021 06:53 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Stick a fork in the Eagles. This isn't quite on Hugo level rain, but not too far off.

WAAAAAAY off of Hugo level rain. It rained more than this in pretty much every rain game in 2019.

The miserable thing tonight was the rain combined with the cold.

(11-06-2021 11:43 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Lol **** my life.

We had to have a desperation score to make sure we didn't get shut out at home by a conference opponent for the first time in our history.

This season needs to hurry up and end. This has been the least fun I've had in over 20 years as a Georgia Southern fan.

For the longest stretch yes but it ranks right up there with the VanGoob / Hatch failure. This stretch could have been completely avoided which makes it worse. The HC on the other sideline gets hired or any competent hire and we are still rolling. TK should never be allowed to be in charge of an athletic department again.

(11-08-2021 12:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 11:43 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Lol **** my life.

We had to have a desperation score to make sure we didn't get shut out at home by a conference opponent for the first time in our history.

This season needs to hurry up and end. This has been the least fun I've had in over 20 years as a Georgia Southern fan.

For the longest stretch yes but it ranks right up there with the VanGoob / Hatch failure. This stretch could have been completely avoided which makes it worse. The HC on the other sideline gets hired or any competent hire and we are still rolling. TK should never be allowed to be in charge of an athletic department again.

That was bad, but this is worse. Way worse.

I hate that Helton's 1st time watching a game was a 28-8 loss in a monsoon with likely the lowest attendance we've had since expanding the stadium.

(11-08-2021 01:49 PM)kdarnell233 Wrote:  I hate that Helton's 1st time watching a game was a 28-8 loss in a monsoon with likely the lowest attendance we've had since expanding the stadium.

I think that was an all time lowest attendance, regardless of what the announced number was.

I think we sold a lot more tickets than what showed up, but it was a piss poor crowd all around. After the second turnover, the exodus began. After the blocked punt, it was a ghost town.

(11-08-2021 01:49 PM)kdarnell233 Wrote:  I hate that Helton's 1st time watching a game was a 28-8 loss in a monsoon with likely the lowest attendance we've had since expanding the stadium.

How 'around' the program is he? Like does he watch practice, etc? It would seem like being around is a positive going forward but would be awkward for sure.

(11-08-2021 03:08 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 01:49 PM)kdarnell233 Wrote:  I hate that Helton's 1st time watching a game was a 28-8 loss in a monsoon with likely the lowest attendance we've had since expanding the stadium.

How 'around' the program is he? Like does he watch practice, etc? It would seem like being around is a positive going forward but would be awkward for sure.

He is here 100%. He will be at practice unless he is traveling for recruiting or staff interviews.

(11-08-2021 03:18 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 03:08 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 01:49 PM)kdarnell233 Wrote:  I hate that Helton's 1st time watching a game was a 28-8 loss in a monsoon with likely the lowest attendance we've had since expanding the stadium.

How 'around' the program is he? Like does he watch practice, etc? It would seem like being around is a positive going forward but would be awkward for sure.

He is here 100%. He will be at practice unless he is traveling for recruiting or staff interviews.

That's got to be huge for recruiting. Not having to coach any games, getting to know y'all's team/staff and spend tons of time with high schools early will surely help out. I wonder if he keeps any of y'all's current staff?

(11-08-2021 03:23 PM)JuicyMullet Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 03:18 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 03:08 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 01:49 PM)kdarnell233 Wrote:  I hate that Helton's 1st time watching a game was a 28-8 loss in a monsoon with likely the lowest attendance we've had since expanding the stadium.

How 'around' the program is he? Like does he watch practice, etc? It would seem like being around is a positive going forward but would be awkward for sure.

He is here 100%. He will be at practice unless he is traveling for recruiting or staff interviews.

That's got to be huge for recruiting. Not having to coach any games, getting to know y'all's team/staff and spend tons of time with high schools early will surely help out. I wonder if he keeps any of y'all's current staff?

I doubt it, nothing is really good with this team. I guess he will interview everyone that wants to be. Usually, there is a token staff member to keep continuity. I could see coach Whitley being that guy.

Now that I had a moment - smack was moved to the Smack Board. This thread is re-opened in case any other GAME related discussion was wanted. Otherwise, go to Smack please.

(11-09-2021 11:42 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Now that I had a moment - smack was moved to the Smack Board. This thread is re-opened in case any other GAME related discussion was wanted. Otherwise, go to Smack please.

Yea I was wondering why this thread kept getting new replies.

(11-09-2021 11:42 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Now that I had a moment - smack was moved to the Smack Board. This thread is re-opened in case any other GAME related discussion was wanted. Otherwise, go to Smack please.

To be clear, comments about McCall not being a Top 10 pick were not smack, they were factual. I'd assume that if you asked any Scout, and read any scouting report, McCall's one area of concern, due to lack of opportunity, is the vertical passing game.

(11-09-2021 01:31 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 11:42 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Now that I had a moment - smack was moved to the Smack Board. This thread is re-opened in case any other GAME related discussion was wanted. Otherwise, go to Smack please.

To be clear, comments about McCall not being a Top 10 pick were not smack, they were factual. I'd assume that if you asked any Scout, and read any scouting report, McCall's one area of concern, due to lack of opportunity, is the vertical passing game.

I think the comment was fair game, but as often the case when smack needs to be moved, there is collateral damage.

(11-06-2021 08:34 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 08:13 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 07:56 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 07:45 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 07:37 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  Triple option is an FCS offense, no FBS coach in their right mind in this day and age would try to run it.

That's bull crap. You're running over us with options schemes mixed with man-blocking tonight. If you combine the right personnel and talent with any offensive scheme, it will work.

An RPO and a triple option are 2 totally different offenses, you understand that right?? I didn’t say running an option based offense wouldn’t work, I said a TRIPLE option offense won’t. Show me an FBS team from the past 30 years who’s had consistent success with the triple option. Georgia Tech? What did they average, 6 wins a year? Navy or Army?

RPO and triple option are plays, not offenses. If you are referring to the flexbone, a veer based offense that was developed at Hawaii and Georgia Southern, I still disagree. GT average 7.5 wins over 11 years of running the flexbone, a conference championship and an Orange Bowl victory... certainly above average for the 21st century GT. While Navy is down right now, they have experienced more success over the last 15 years since the pre and post war teams. Same with Army. I don't anyone that wants to play Army right now, we have and lost last year. If executed properly, it clearly works.

RPO and triple options aren’t plays, theyre offensive plans/schemes. You could design dozens of plays around each.
Triple option is designed to have the option of 3 runners getting the ball and typically the ball gets passed less than 10 times a game. If you think you can get the talent to have success with that in the SBC with the good teams we already have and 4 more good programs coming in, good luck.

Good game.

You really shouldn't try to tell GS fans what the triple option is and isn't. Just because people on TV don't know any better and call it the triple option offense, doesn't make them right when they say it. It's just that it has become so common place for people to say it that the two have become synonymous. That still doesn't make it correct.

The triple option is actually one PLAY from the original Flexbone or Hambone offense that was run by Erk and PJ when GS started their run of success and National Championships. There are multiple variants of it, but it was only one of the plays that we ran out of the flex. There is also the midline option, midline sweep, speed option, counter, fullback dive, etc.

(11-09-2021 01:31 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 11:42 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Now that I had a moment - smack was moved to the Smack Board. This thread is re-opened in case any other GAME related discussion was wanted. Otherwise, go to Smack please.

To be clear, comments about McCall not being a Top 10 pick were not smack, they were factual. I'd assume that if you asked any Scout, and read any scouting report, McCall's one area of concern, due to lack of opportunity, is the vertical passing game.

That is why they have the combine and pro days. I agree that a lot of his draft status will be on the demonstration of passes over 20 yards. Every other box is checked.

(11-09-2021 03:13 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 08:34 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 08:13 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 07:56 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 07:45 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  That's bull crap. You're running over us with options schemes mixed with man-blocking tonight. If you combine the right personnel and talent with any offensive scheme, it will work.

An RPO and a triple option are 2 totally different offenses, you understand that right?? I didn’t say running an option based offense wouldn’t work, I said a TRIPLE option offense won’t. Show me an FBS team from the past 30 years who’s had consistent success with the triple option. Georgia Tech? What did they average, 6 wins a year? Navy or Army?

RPO and triple option are plays, not offenses. If you are referring to the flexbone, a veer based offense that was developed at Hawaii and Georgia Southern, I still disagree. GT average 7.5 wins over 11 years of running the flexbone, a conference championship and an Orange Bowl victory... certainly above average for the 21st century GT. While Navy is down right now, they have experienced more success over the last 15 years since the pre and post war teams. Same with Army. I don't anyone that wants to play Army right now, we have and lost last year. If executed properly, it clearly works.

RPO and triple options aren’t plays, theyre offensive plans/schemes. You could design dozens of plays around each.
Triple option is designed to have the option of 3 runners getting the ball and typically the ball gets passed less than 10 times a game. If you think you can get the talent to have success with that in the SBC with the good teams we already have and 4 more good programs coming in, good luck.

Good game.

You really shouldn't try to tell GS fans what the triple option is and isn't. Just because people on TV don't know any better and call it the triple option offense, doesn't make them right when they say it. It's just that it has become so common place for people to say it that the two have become synonymous. That still doesn't make it correct.

The triple option is actually one PLAY from the original Flexbone or Hambone offense that was run by Erk and PJ when GS started their run of success and National Championships. There are multiple variants of it, but it was only one of the plays that we ran out of the flex. There is also the midline option, midline sweep, speed option, counter, fullback dive, etc.

LOL preach! Every time GS fans hear the last 7-8 years we run the "triple option" we collectively shake our heads. We haven't run a true "triple option" offense since Monken. In fact past two years with Fritz I have no idea what we have run or what to call it besides crap.