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Looking like ACC favoring 8 playoff model?
https://theathletic.com/news/acc-big-ten...kLXXhZUVx/

the commissioners who make up The Alliance — the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 — are expected to re-raise the topic of an eight-team format with automatic qualifying spots for each Power 5 champion, multiple sources directly involved in the process told The Athletic. It is believed that the ACC is the league most attached to the eight-team format, though some administrators also characterized the Big Ten as “in lockstep” with the ACC on the issue.


https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

“Eight with a whole bunch of automatic opportunities for conference champions does not work,” Sankey said. “I’ve been abundantly clear about that.”

“We have time. If the change is going to happen during this contract, we probably have three or four months maximum,” Hancock said. “And if the change is going to happen, starting in 2027, then we have a couple of years.”
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RE: Looking like ACC favoring 8 playoff model?
If the change is going to happen before this contract expires, the question of whether it's 8 teams or 12 probably won't be the toughest hurdle to overcome. If the Alliance also wants to make the contract open to bids from all media companies, they have to get ESPN to agree. Why would they?
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RE: Looking like ACC favoring 8 playoff model?
Ken's onto something.

But I'll add -- The ACC has Clemson (really the only school in the ACC playing football at a level high enough to truly worry about the playoffs) wanting to keep things the way they are, and the rest of the conference wanting 12.

Teaming up with the Alliance, to push 8, seems like a way to split the difference with it's members, knowing that it'll likely kill things until the end of this contract ... which brings things back to Ken's point .... ultimately, TV is going to decide this. ESPN is going to pony up more $$$ ... or we wait it out, and open up things when this contract expires.
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RE: Looking like ACC favoring 8 playoff model?
My guess is that the Alliance knows the SEC really wants the 12 team model and is bargaining to get autobids for their conference champions as well as a balanced distribution of CFP proceeds not excessively tied to number of bids received by a conference
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RE: Looking like ACC favoring 8 playoff model?
I still think the ACC wants a smaller playoff and an AQ status. The 5-1-2 model would do it.

People have to realize that the relative increase of money compared to the other conferences is as important as (if not more than) the absolute increase of money. Actually, don’t people on this board keep saying about the money gap between the ACC and the SEC/BIG while the ACC payout is in fact increasing pretty much every year?
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RE: Looking like ACC favoring 8 playoff model?
Size and structure of the conferences affects the size and structure of the playoff.

Conferences with 2 divisions of 8 will find that 3-6 schools will be out of any interest by Halloween.

I support the three divisions of 4, 5, or 6 crowning three champions of a division and a wild card.

Among the ACC, B10, SEC, P12, B12, that's 20 schools in a playoff.

If you want football with games that matter give the ACC, B10, SEC, and P12 and auto champion from however many they allow play for that title either 2 or 4.

In their off week you allow the B12, AAC, Sun Belt, and One other conference champion to host 4 at large schools, no more than 2 from a single conference. Winners go to meet the other 4.

So you get a sort of hour glass:

Using this year:

NC State/WF/Pitt/Miami play it to a champion in the ACC
Georgia/Bama/TAMU/Ole Miss play it to a chamipion in the SEC
Ohio State/Michigan/MSU/Wiscky play it to a champion in the B10
Oklahoma/OSU/Baylor/Texas play it to a champion in the B12

Lets say NC State, Georgia, Ohio State, and OU win - they sit at home a week while

Oregon as P12 Champ hosts wild card Pitt
App State as Sun Belt Champ hosts wild card Alabama
Cincy as ACC Champ Hosts wild card Michigan
ND as Indy or 8th Conference so to speak Champ hosts wildcard TAMU

UGa gets winner of Cincy/Michigan
Ohio State gets winner of ND/TAMU
Oklahoma gets winner of Oregon/Pitt
NC State gets winner of Bama/App State

That gets you a likely final of

UGa
OSU
Oregon
Bama

But the key thing is that about 30 or so schools had the chance to play their way in and 4 schools get bailed out because they choked and lost but are still viewer draws.

In the ACC you have the chance to win one of 3 Division Titles, 1 Conference Title, 1 Football Final Four so to speak, and 1 National Title.

A lot to play for.
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RE: Looking like ACC favoring 8 playoff model?
(11-07-2021 03:01 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Size and structure of the conferences affects the size and structure of the playoff.

Conferences with 2 divisions of 8 will find that 3-6 schools will be out of any interest by Halloween.

I support the three divisions of 4, 5, or 6 crowning three champions of a division and a wild card.

Among the ACC, B10, SEC, P12, B12, that's 20 schools in a playoff.

If you want football with games that matter give the ACC, B10, SEC, and P12 and auto champion from however many they allow play for that title either 2 or 4.

In their off week you allow the B12, AAC, Sun Belt, and One other conference champion to host 4 at large schools, no more than 2 from a single conference. Winners go to meet the other 4.

So you get a sort of hour glass:

Using this year:

NC State/WF/Pitt/Miami play it to a champion in the ACC
Georgia/Bama/TAMU/Ole Miss play it to a chamipion in the SEC
Ohio State/Michigan/MSU/Wiscky play it to a champion in the B10
Oklahoma/OSU/Baylor/Texas play it to a champion in the B12

Lets say NC State, Georgia, Ohio State, and OU win - they sit at home a week while

Oregon as P12 Champ hosts wild card Pitt
App State as Sun Belt Champ hosts wild card Alabama
Cincy as ACC Champ Hosts wild card Michigan
ND as Indy or 8th Conference so to speak Champ hosts wildcard TAMU

UGa gets winner of Cincy/Michigan
Ohio State gets winner of ND/TAMU
Oklahoma gets winner of Oregon/Pitt
NC State gets winner of Bama/App State

That gets you a likely final of

UGa
OSU
Oregon
Bama

But the key thing is that about 30 or so schools had the chance to play their way in and 4 schools get bailed out because they choked and lost but are still viewer draws.

In the ACC you have the chance to win one of 3 Division Titles, 1 Conference Title, 1 Football Final Four so to speak, and 1 National Title.

A lot to play for.
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(11-07-2021 12:36 PM)orangefan Wrote:  My guess is that the Alliance knows the SEC really wants the 12 team model and is bargaining to get autobids for their conference champions as well as a balanced distribution of CFP proceeds not excessively tied to number of bids received by a conference
Bam!
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RE: Looking like ACC favoring 8 playoff model?
The SEC will get their 12 team playoff.

The SEC/BIG will get their $50 million revenue gap (P2) when compared to the PAC/ACC/Big 12 (p3).


Really, there will be a P2....and a G5 that includes PAC/ACC/Big 12.
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RE: Looking like ACC favoring 8 playoff model?
(11-12-2021 09:33 PM)nole Wrote:  The SEC will get their 12 team playoff.

The SEC/BIG will get their $50 million revenue gap (P2) when compared to the PAC/ACC/Big 12 (p3).


Really, there will be a P2....and a G5 that includes PAC/ACC/Big 12.

Regarding the bolded…

The P2 (with the SEC and B1G) has been in place for generations. So long as football dominates college athletics, those two conferences have always had the most brands committed to football. The major difference is that media revenue is growing faster…and media revenue is currently leveraged at the conference-level.

The 8 team model is/was an attempt to slow down the forces towards more consolidation. It’s not surprising that the SEC would oppose any set-up that restricts its potential growth. For schools with big brands in college athletics (especially FSU, ND, UNC, Duke and Clemson) the SEC position is probably good news because it gives them more options. It’s the rest of the ACC schools that should be more worried. FSU should have a much better chance of making the 12 team playoff…especially if it’s truly committed to football.

IMO, lumping-in the ACC with the G5 is hyperbole. ACC schools invest significantly in athletics and are regularly winning meaningful national championships in football, basketball and non-revenue sports.
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