Can y'all dish off those 2 schools to CUSA to pair with UMASS and UCONN football-only so we can avoid a ton of FCS call-ups? or take La Tech and finish CUSA off

UTEP
NMSU
La Tech
FIU
Liberty
UT-Arlington/UMass football
Little Rock/UConn football
Sam Houston State.

Done.

It doesn't work that way. You must have eight full member institutions playing football in your conference to be an FBS conference. If you guys just don't take MTSU and WKU it works out a lot easier.

(11-01-2021 07:46 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Can y'all dish off those 2 schools to CUSA to pair with UMASS and UCONN football-only so we can avoid a ton of FCS call-ups? or take La Tech and finish CUSA off

UTEP
NMSU
La Tech
FIU
Liberty
UT-Arlington/UMass football
Little Rock/UConn football
Sam Houston State.

Done.

Still need eight full FBS members. Pairing a football-only school with a non-football school helps with balance but not with minimum member requirements.

I would think we will bounce pass them to CUSA but won’t help much in stopping teams from the FCS getting called up.

(11-01-2021 07:46 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Can y'all dish off those 2 schools to CUSA to pair with UMASS and UCONN football-only so we can avoid a ton of FCS call-ups? or take La Tech and finish CUSA off

UTEP
NMSU
La Tech
FIU
Liberty
UT-Arlington/UMass football
Little Rock/UConn football
Sam Houston State
Jacksonville State

Done.

FIFY

(11-01-2021 08:48 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:46 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Can y'all dish off those 2 schools to CUSA to pair with UMASS and UCONN football-only so we can avoid a ton of FCS call-ups? or take La Tech and finish CUSA off

UTEP
NMSU
La Tech
FIU
Liberty
UT-Arlington/UMass football
Little Rock/UConn football
Sam Houston State
Jacksonville State
EKU

Done.

FIFY

FIFY as well lol. Need 8 full members.

(11-01-2021 07:46 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Can y'all dish off those 2 schools to CUSA to pair with UMASS and UCONN football-only so we can avoid a ton of FCS call-ups? or take La Tech and finish CUSA off

UTEP
NMSU
La Tech
FIU
Liberty
UT-Arlington/UMass football
Little Rock/UConn football
Sam Houston State.

Done.

Is this the SIMS?

And why do you want to finish off confrences or programs?

CUSA isn't that far off from getting its 8 members, they just need to add Missouri State, and then they can exist with a few football only and basketball only schools to round out 10.

Football
UTEP
La Tech
Sam Houston State
New Mexico State
Missouri State
Liberty
FIU
Jacksonville State
UMass
UConn

Basketball
UTEP
La Tech
Sam Houston State
New Mexico State
Missouri State
Liberty
FIU
Jacksonville State
Little Rock
UT Arlington

(11-01-2021 08:48 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:46 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Can y'all dish off those 2 schools to CUSA to pair with UMASS and UCONN football-only so we can avoid a ton of FCS call-ups? or take La Tech and finish CUSA off

UTEP
NMSU
La Tech
FIU
Liberty
UT-Arlington/UMass football
Little Rock/UConn football
Sam Houston State
Jacksonville State

Done.

FIFY

Add Missouri St…. Then you’re done..

(11-01-2021 07:46 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Can y'all dish off those 2 schools to CUSA to pair with UMASS and UCONN football-only so we can avoid a ton of FCS call-ups? or take La Tech and finish CUSA off

UTEP
NMSU
La Tech
FIU
Liberty
UT-Arlington/UMass football
Little Rock/UConn football
Sam Houston State.

Done.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Really thought the NCAA only required 7 full members and not 8.

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(11-01-2021 07:52 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  It doesn't work that way. You must have eight full member institutions playing football in your conference to be an FBS conference. If you guys just don't take MTSU and WKU it works out a lot easier.

Lol, yes, it works out the same if the SBC hadn't taken Marshall and ODU!

(11-02-2021 08:06 AM)rileylives Wrote:  CUSA isn't that far off from getting its 8 members, they just need to add Missouri State, and then they can exist with a few football only and basketball only schools to round out 10.

Football
UTEP
La Tech
Sam Houston State
New Mexico State
Missouri State
Liberty
FIU
Jacksonville State
UMass
UConn

Basketball
UTEP
La Tech
Sam Houston State
New Mexico State
Missouri State
Liberty
FIU
Jacksonville State
Little Rock
UT Arlington

Missouri State isn't moving their basketball from the MVC to that collection of programs. They would also be joining a lower rated football conference by moving from the MVFC to that version of C-USA.

The only way any of this works for Missouri State is if NDSU, SDSU, and maybe Illinois State comes with Missouri State to C-USA. Each if those programs may come in and instantly make C-USA better than how it even was before. They could be a sort of mini-Big 10/Big 12 hybrid that plays really good basketball and decent football.

Otherwise, Missouri State isn't going to join UTEP, NMSU, Liberty, SHSU, Jacksonville State, and FIU. Louisiana Tech may be better off going Indy and moving other sports elsewhere. This is going to kill their fan support.

(11-02-2021 09:33 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:52 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  It doesn't work that way. You must have eight full member institutions playing football in your conference to be an FBS conference. If you guys just don't take MTSU and WKU it works out a lot easier.

Lol, yes, it works out the same if the SBC hadn't taken Marshall and ODU!

But the MAC is last to the show. ODU, Marshall, and USM are better off in the Sun Belt than the previous iteration of C-USA. I believe WKU and MTSU would be better off in the MAC than this Frankenstein C-USA as well.

I don't believe the Sun Belt should do what CUSA done to Marquette, ST Louis and Charlotte in 2003. Those 3 were told they couldn't stay if they didn't have football. I think the Sun Belt could encourage both but unless they find a more suitable home that fits them they should be allowed to stay.

If both school were winning 20+ games a year would the thought process be different. I think it would.

(11-02-2021 10:33 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  I don't believe the Sun Belt should do what CUSA done to Marquette, ST Louis and Charlotte in 2003. Those 3 were told they couldn't stay if they didn't have football. I think the Sun Belt could encourage both but unless they find a more suitable home that fits them they should be allowed to stay.

If both school were winning 20+ games a year would the thought process be different. I think it would.

This has basically been my thoughts on the whole thing. Keeping LR and UTA shifts Troy back East for basketball, but if you pair Troy with GSU, it's actually a pretty easy travel schedule. UTA and LR then stay as the travel partners for the more "far flung" members in the West. UTA has made a facilities commitment in hoops, they have probably the nicest arena amongst members playing in the league this season. The Jack Stephens center in LR isn't bad either. If they were both winning 20+ games a season, they should absolutely stay in. Plus scheduling with 16 in basketball is easier than scheduling with 16 in football.

I'd like to stay in the Sun Belt, but could likely live with being "dished off" to CUSA. Not sure if that is a realistic possibility or not (i.e. do they want non-football members and/or do we want to be in the same type of situation we are leaving). CUSA look to be a mish-mash of far flung teams. Not sure our budget could handle trips to Miami, New Mexico, Virginia, etc. If they were to add UTA and maybe ORU as well, it would help with travel and natural rivalries. Maybe our best option, but I think we still have to wait until the dust settles.

(11-02-2021 10:33 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  I don't believe the Sun Belt should do what CUSA done to Marquette, ST Louis and Charlotte in 2003. Those 3 were told they couldn't stay if they didn't have football. I think the Sun Belt could encourage both but unless they find a more suitable home that fits them they should be allowed to stay.

If both school were winning 20+ games a year would the thought process be different. I think it would.

I don't believe the SB will straight-up kick them out. I certainly would hope not. It's one thing if they violate conference bylaws or do some egregious legal or NCAA infraction, but short of that, just voting them out, IMO, is bad form. (That said, though, LR is technically falling short of the minimum number of Sun Belt sports required to be in the league. UTA is fine.)

Arkstfan pointed out at one point that UTA and LR have, a 1/12th ownership in the league; it will be 1/16th when expansion is complete. They can't just be kicked out. It would have to be voluntary.

My understanding is that the SB has informed the two non football schools have been told that decisions at the conference level are going to be football-driven, and while they wouldn't be "kicked out," they might be happier in a conference that is either more friendly to a footbl/non football mix (WAC, perhaps CUSA), or an entirely non football conference altogether (MVC, Summit).

(11-02-2021 11:19 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 10:33 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  I don't believe the Sun Belt should do what CUSA done to Marquette, ST Louis and Charlotte in 2003. Those 3 were told they couldn't stay if they didn't have football. I think the Sun Belt could encourage both but unless they find a more suitable home that fits them they should be allowed to stay.

If both school were winning 20+ games a year would the thought process be different. I think it would.

I don't believe the SB will straight-up kick them out. I certainly would hope not. It's one thing if they violate conference bylaws or do some egregious legal or NCAA infraction, but short of that, just voting them out, IMO, is bad form. (That said, though, LR is technically falling short of the minimum number of Sun Belt sports required to be in the league. UTA is fine.)

Arkstfan pointed out at one point that UTA and LR have, a 1/12th ownership in the league; it will be 1/16th when expansion is complete. They can't just be kicked out. It would have to be voluntary.

My understanding is that the SB has informed the two non football schools have been told that decisions at the conference level are going to be football-driven, and while they wouldn't be "kicked out," they might be happier in a conference that is either more friendly to a footbl/non football mix (WAC, perhaps CUSA), or an entirely non football conference altogether (MVC, Summit).

I think that is very accurate based on what I was told by an administrator at LR. Basically it was made clear that the Belt is a "football first" conference. If the MoValley offered us a spot, I think everyone on both sides would be happy. I just don't think that is likely at the moment. The other options look to be far flung (Summit), falling apart (Southland and to a lesser extent Ohio Valley), or back to where we started (Atlantic Sun). I guess CUSA could be a possibility, but then we are back to the same football vs. non-football situation.

Any chance UTA goes elsewhere, on their own accord, but we keep Little Rock. Could have 3 groups of 5 for scheduling purposes.

Group Southwest: TXST, LR, ASU, ULM, Louisiana
Group Deep South: USM, South, Troy, GaSt, GaSo
Group Southeast: CCU, APP, JMU, ODU, Marshall

Play your group round-robin and one group home and the other group away or something. 18 game schedule while playing all 14 teams.