(11-02-2021 01:12 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 01:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 12:01 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Is this stuff normal? I don't keep up with academic squabbles.

Auburn University professors suing Hardgrave, Leath, others over management of Econ department

https://oanow.com/news/local/education/a...94ad5.html

At Auburn, yeah.

Seems pretty egregious, but considering one of the guys named in the lawsuit is the same one that was trying to get the vote of no confidence going, sounds more like a professional axe to grind.

Yeah I edited my earlier reply. That's not what its really about, I was told the real deal by an insider and laughed. It was so silly that I forgot what it all about, tbh. I could pm you what I remember but its not worth the effort...

It's a big yawn.

While on paper this guy is better than option #1, I have concerns about why he's been passed over for so many presidential positions. I wonder if he just rubs people the wrong way? That's not going to get it done with the work we need him to do here.

I also could see this guy walking in expecting the UofM to fall all over him just because he was in the running for the UT position. No thanks, dude.

He ran for UCF and University of Miss and OK state too. He reminds me of Bowen (not his family issues) just his many failed attempts to move up in the world.

(11-02-2021 01:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 01:12 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 01:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 12:01 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Is this stuff normal? I don't keep up with academic squabbles.

Auburn University professors suing Hardgrave, Leath, others over management of Econ department

https://oanow.com/news/local/education/a...94ad5.html

At Auburn, yeah.

Seems pretty egregious, but considering one of the guys named in the lawsuit is the same one that was trying to get the vote of no confidence going, sounds more like a professional axe to grind.

Yeah I edited my earlier reply. That's not what its really about, I was told the real deal by an insider and laughed. It was so silly that I forgot what it all about, tbh. I could pm you what I remember but its not worth the effort...

It's a big yawn.

Makes sense...like I said, I'm more concerned about why he's been passed on for all these other presidential openings than intra-Auburn pettiness.

(11-02-2021 01:22 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 01:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 01:12 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 01:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 12:01 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Is this stuff normal? I don't keep up with academic squabbles.

Auburn University professors suing Hardgrave, Leath, others over management of Econ department

https://oanow.com/news/local/education/a...94ad5.html

At Auburn, yeah.

Seems pretty egregious, but considering one of the guys named in the lawsuit is the same one that was trying to get the vote of no confidence going, sounds more like a professional axe to grind.

Yeah I edited my earlier reply. That's not what its really about, I was told the real deal by an insider and laughed. It was so silly that I forgot what it all about, tbh. I could pm you what I remember but its not worth the effort...

It's a big yawn.

Makes sense...like I said, I'm more concerned about why he's been passed on for all these other presidential openings than intra-Auburn pettiness.

Econ was the only business degree at Memphis when I attended that could either be a BBA or a BA. Auburn is similar, I think some of this is the College of Liberal Arts vs the Business school.

He seems like an ok guy. Growing up in a 300 person hamlet (Hartman, Arkansas) was life changing in many ways. I just realized he grew up near my mother's German family and German cousins in Saint Vincent, Arkansas, nttawwt lol.
o my

(11-02-2021 06:10 AM)danny1 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:29 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:13 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  So, he has all these degrees in computer science but did he ever actually, you know. work in that field and work his way up to an upper management position or did he just go to school a lot and then get hired to move to the other side of the desk?

I'm not super impressed with college professors who never worked on the private side beyond entry level. Book learning is fine as far as it goes but there is nothing like practical experience dealing with a bitchy, entitled, paying client - who will remind you just who they are - to really round a person out.

Those who can do; those who can't teach - now this isn't true for elementary and high school teachers - this applies only to the college and post graduate professors who still think Spring Break and Christmas Break are a thing.........

Everytime I hear this statement I think how stupid. What do you think teachers of all stripes are doing? Sitting on their asses? They are doing - they're teaching. Not everybody comes out of college with the same values. Some people decide they want to make money ---- as much as they can. Some people decide they want to go and help others --- money aside. Ive believde this about teachers for a while but I've gained a new respect for teachers last year, during this pandemic, when I tried to teach first grade material to my first grader. There's a lot to teaching. A lot. And it's not just pedagogy. It's psychology. Its respecting, understanding, and implementing practical plans to teach to differences. It's dealing with parents --- some of which, for whatever odd reason, think that teaching is for those who can't "do." You know that self-centered idea of "doing" can't be something to the skills needed when passing on information to the next generation.

Hear, Hear!! Well said! I am so thankful for the teachers in my life that challenged and pushed me and inspired me. I remember those special ones from elementary to high school to Memphis State.

The tired phrase about teachers not being able to “do” is just plain ignorant .

Learn to READ.

So, just listened to this guy's interviews...he did okay - better than option #1, but he's not very charismatic.

He gave a good answer regarding working on growing Auburn's diversity, but really doesn't seem to have done his research on Memphis (the city) or the city's relationship to the university. It just feels like he's thrown his resume out to all open presidential positions to see who bites, and we're option #5 or #6.

On a personal note, his horrible incorrect grammar makes me crazy. You're interviewing to be the president of a university...subject-verb agreement is your friend.

(11-03-2021 02:32 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  So, just listened to this guy's interviews...he did okay - better than option #1, but he's not very charismatic.

He gave a good answer regarding working on growing Auburn's diversity, but really doesn't seem to have done his research on Memphis (the city) or the city's relationship to the university. It just feels like he's thrown his resume out to all open presidential positions to see who bites, and we're option #5 or #6.

On a personal note, his horrible incorrect grammar makes me crazy. You're interviewing to be the president of a university...subject-verb agreement is your friend.

is there a link to watch the zoom?

(11-03-2021 04:13 PM)Boots Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 02:32 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  So, just listened to this guy's interviews...he did okay - better than option #1, but he's not very charismatic.

He gave a good answer regarding working on growing Auburn's diversity, but really doesn't seem to have done his research on Memphis (the city) or the city's relationship to the university. It just feels like he's thrown his resume out to all open presidential positions to see who bites, and we're option #5 or #6.

On a personal note, his horrible incorrect grammar makes me crazy. You're interviewing to be the president of a university...subject-verb agreement is your friend.

is there a link to watch the zoom?

All Board of Trustees interviews are at the link below:

https://mediasite.memphis.edu/Mediasite/...e84e5b165f

(11-02-2021 01:35 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 11:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 11:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  All I know is, his leadership skills seem to be in question, as he almost got the no-confidence vote from his faculty, i.e. followers.

Auburn University faculty punt on no confidence vote for Hardgrave
Jan 12, 2021 Updated Jan 15, 2021

“I’m certainly very sad that we are here today, because of the topic,” said Hardgrave, who went on to say that “this very punitive action … is an attack against me personally and professionally.”

English Professor Sam Sommers took exception to Hardgrave’s comments in the meeting chat.

“One could argue that votes of no confidence are the last resort of shared governance,” Sommers wrote.

https://oanow.com/news/local/auburn-univ...f034b.html

Nah, that's moronic.

Must mean he was doing his job. Ever school has whack jobs like Sommers. No confidence votes are a big deal in Canada and Star Wars. In America, means nothing. They couldn't even agree to vote. Bunch of weirdos. Auburn is not immune.

If anything, this makes me like him more. He stood up to the freaks.

Did you read the whole article?

Yes, I read it all. Basically they had technical difficulties and called it quits. He whined about personal attacks and now he's looking to split the Auburn scene.

Let's face it, any academic who gets himself into a position that stupid is not leading properly. Academics are easily lead if you understand them. It just takes a good communicator.

Put bluntly, the dude can't schmooze. Shcmoozing is a down right must for our President. If Auburn will pay us to take him, then we can talk. lol

Honestly, it seems like you Football guys are trying to capture what we should have started 20 years ago. Are you thinking this dude might get us into the Big something conference---the big 12 is just another dumpster fire waiting to happen. Why would you think anyone could do that, much less this guy? He's not even coming across as a good negotiator.

If it's a choice between his academic cred and the lady's... She has classy creds. He doesn't come close. And did I mention that part of his faculty (the people he's supposed to be leading) are rebelling against him. lol They couldn't all log onto the meeting and then everything fell apart. I thought this guy was a computer whiz.

Give us number 3.

I was leaning towards candidate #2...until I read this.
Sounds like #3 may be our guy.

(11-02-2021 06:26 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 06:10 AM)danny1 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:29 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:13 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  So, he has all these degrees in computer science but did he ever actually, you know. work in that field and work his way up to an upper management position or did he just go to school a lot and then get hired to move to the other side of the desk?

I'm not super impressed with college professors who never worked on the private side beyond entry level. Book learning is fine as far as it goes but there is nothing like practical experience dealing with a bitchy, entitled, paying client - who will remind you just who they are - to really round a person out.

Those who can do; those who can't teach - now this isn't true for elementary and high school teachers - this applies only to the college and post graduate professors who still think Spring Break and Christmas Break are a thing.........

Everytime I hear this statement I think how stupid. What do you think teachers of all stripes are doing? Sitting on their asses? They are doing - they're teaching. Not everybody comes out of college with the same values. Some people decide they want to make money ---- as much as they can. Some people decide they want to go and help others --- money aside. Ive believde this about teachers for a while but I've gained a new respect for teachers last year, during this pandemic, when I tried to teach first grade material to my first grader. There's a lot to teaching. A lot. And it's not just pedagogy. It's psychology. Its respecting, understanding, and implementing practical plans to teach to differences. It's dealing with parents --- some of which, for whatever odd reason, think that teaching is for those who can't "do." You know that self-centered idea of "doing" can't be something to the skills needed when passing on information to the next generation.

Hear, Hear!! Well said! I am so thankful for the teachers in my life that challenged and pushed me and inspired me. I remember those special ones from elementary to high school to Memphis State.

The tired phrase about teachers not being able to “do” is just plain ignorant .

Learn to READ.

YOU LEARN TO READ!! I included my instructors at Memphis State. Duh...

(11-03-2021 07:44 PM)danny1 Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 06:26 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 06:10 AM)danny1 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:29 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:13 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  So, he has all these degrees in computer science but did he ever actually, you know. work in that field and work his way up to an upper management position or did he just go to school a lot and then get hired to move to the other side of the desk?

I'm not super impressed with college professors who never worked on the private side beyond entry level. Book learning is fine as far as it goes but there is nothing like practical experience dealing with a bitchy, entitled, paying client - who will remind you just who they are - to really round a person out.

Those who can do; those who can't teach - now this isn't true for elementary and high school teachers - this applies only to the college and post graduate professors who still think Spring Break and Christmas Break are a thing.........

Everytime I hear this statement I think how stupid. What do you think teachers of all stripes are doing? Sitting on their asses? They are doing - they're teaching. Not everybody comes out of college with the same values. Some people decide they want to make money ---- as much as they can. Some people decide they want to go and help others --- money aside. Ive believde this about teachers for a while but I've gained a new respect for teachers last year, during this pandemic, when I tried to teach first grade material to my first grader. There's a lot to teaching. A lot. And it's not just pedagogy. It's psychology. Its respecting, understanding, and implementing practical plans to teach to differences. It's dealing with parents --- some of which, for whatever odd reason, think that teaching is for those who can't "do." You know that self-centered idea of "doing" can't be something to the skills needed when passing on information to the next generation.

Hear, Hear!! Well said! I am so thankful for the teachers in my life that challenged and pushed me and inspired me. I remember those special ones from elementary to high school to Memphis State.

The tired phrase about teachers not being able to “do” is just plain ignorant .

Learn to READ.

YOU LEARN TO READ!! I included my instructors at Memphis State. Duh...

No one should be allowed to teach at the college level that has not first successfully practiced their profession in the private sector if such jobs exist in the private sector.

The reason for this is because academia is not the real world - at all - and it's not close. The sterile world of class room / lab instruction followed by tests graded from A-F are fine as far as they go but there is much more to actually making a living in any business or profession and the teachers should be prepared and equipped with experience from the school of hard knocks so that they can pass this on to their students.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

Looks like we have our nominee.