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RE: MAC Expansion
Dear dansplaining,
I mentioned my last point because of scheduling. Remember, in football Eastern is scheduled like most schools, years in advance. So, what teams in our MAC schedule get changed?
11-02-2021 12:59 PM
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(11-02-2021 12:59 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear dansplaining,
I mentioned my last point because of scheduling. Remember, in football Eastern is scheduled like most schools, years in advance. So, what teams in our MAC schedule get changed?

EMU is only fully scheduled through 2024.
11-02-2021 01:05 PM
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(11-02-2021 12:59 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear dansplaining,
I mentioned my last point because of scheduling. Remember, in football Eastern is scheduled like most schools, years in advance. So, what teams in our MAC schedule get changed?

We can comfortably keep the same number of conference games - just cut one intra division game
11-02-2021 01:07 PM
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(11-02-2021 01:07 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 12:59 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear dansplaining,
I mentioned my last point because of scheduling. Remember, in football Eastern is scheduled like most schools, years in advance. So, what teams in our MAC schedule get changed?

We can comfortably keep the same number of conference games - just cut one intra division game

Exactly. And I've never heard of future scheduling of crossover conference games. I'm always shocked at our East opponents and where the games are played. Toledo also has a locked crossover with BG, and Ball State with Miami so we rotate only 2 games while the other MAC West teams rotate 3. Hence why Toledo hasn't played the Redhawks since 2011, and BG hasn't played BSU since 2015.
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RE: MAC Expansion
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Many are not paying attention to the fact of adding two teams and how that can effect scheduling. Do you play more conference games then the present? If you do, what does that do to out of conference games? Do you eliminate one? Which one? That is why I gave the example of Eastern when we were accepted into the MAC in 1972, and what happened and why.
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(11-02-2021 02:20 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Many are not paying attention to the fact of adding two teams and how that can effect scheduling. Do you play more conference games then the present? If you do, what does that do to out of conference games? Do you eliminate one? Which one? That is why I gave the example of Eastern when we were accepted into the MAC in 1972, and what happened and why.

8 conference games vs. 9 leaves for 1 more chance at the big guys. Then again the conference got bigger so 9 is one more chance to see who's really the best 2 of 14...

A 9 game conf schedule and eliminating a game solution is to dump the FCS game. I would hate it if the P5 eliminates playing the G5 all together though. So we can't really set that precedent IMO. Our pay day to them keeps their programs afloat. There's too many athletes to be cutting fb programs left and right which could happen if the divisions separate totally and the pay day games go away.

8 game conf schedule works best if all rivalries are inter division, so the East vs. West game can be a true round robin. The MAC will have a bunch of teams never see each other, but that will heighten the MACC spectacle.
11-02-2021 02:29 PM
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(11-02-2021 02:20 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Many are not paying attention to the fact of adding two teams and how that can effect scheduling. Do you play more conference games then the present? If you do, what does that do to out of conference games? Do you eliminate one? Which one? That is why I gave the example of Eastern when we were accepted into the MAC in 1972, and what happened and why.

I feel like im taking crazy pills.

Teams currently play 8 conference games - 5 division 3 intra - and 4 out of conference. if you add two teams then the schedule would be 8 conference games - 6 division and 2 intra - and 4 out of conference. two intra would make it easy to cycle through teams on a consistent basis. instead of 3 - an odd number.
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(11-02-2021 11:08 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 10:32 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 09:17 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Hate to throw cold water on this, but I am not at all in favor of expanding the MAC footprint at this time.
The comments about better television markets, bringing in great teams and schools, new rivalries, are all possible, but not guarantees. I will agree that things can never be certain until tried, but just because other schools or conferences are expanding, doesn't mean it is the right thing to do at this time.

Well there was Marshall from 1996 to 2005. That didn't work out depending on who you ask.

the college football world today is COMPLETELY different than it was in 2005.

I think WKU and MTSU are both good football AND basketball programs who would fit in with the MAC no problem. They have an established rivalry (100 miles of hate) and are a plus for TV and recruitment for the nashville market. im not sure the mac can afford to not take advantage of this compared to how the sun belt and AAC have been able to grow their conferences.

Completely different? It still about the $ and how the $ gets divided.
11-02-2021 02:50 PM
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(11-02-2021 02:50 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 11:08 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 10:32 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 09:17 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Hate to throw cold water on this, but I am not at all in favor of expanding the MAC footprint at this time.
The comments about better television markets, bringing in great teams and schools, new rivalries, are all possible, but not guarantees. I will agree that things can never be certain until tried, but just because other schools or conferences are expanding, doesn't mean it is the right thing to do at this time.

Well there was Marshall from 1996 to 2005. That didn't work out depending on who you ask.

the college football world today is COMPLETELY different than it was in 2005.

I think WKU and MTSU are both good football AND basketball programs who would fit in with the MAC no problem. They have an established rivalry (100 miles of hate) and are a plus for TV and recruitment for the nashville market. im not sure the mac can afford to not take advantage of this compared to how the sun belt and AAC have been able to grow their conferences.

Completely different? It still about the $ and how the $ gets divided.

100% correct! It is ALWAYS about the money.

While they should, conference decisions are not made on rivalries or program quality. Take the B1G for example. Rutgers has subpar athletics and Maryland has a history of being competitive only in basketball. Neither had a natural rival in the B1G conference or with each other. Iowa St and Pitt would have been better choices from a competitive and rivalry standpoint but they did not offer what Rutgers and Maryland did, a new TV market and thus more MONEY.

Let's be honest, of the ten FBS conferences the MAC ranks at the bottom in terms of revenue. Unfortunately as a result, we most likely won't be selecting schools to add to our conference, we simply will be forced to accept the leftovers. It is what it is.

The Cincinnati situation this year intrigues me. Should Alabama, Oklahoma, OSU/MSU and Oregon win out, I doubt the Bearcats make the CFP, despite doing all they could to get there. With NIL and the recent Super Conference alignments, I think it is high time for another football championship for the Group of Five schools.
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(11-02-2021 05:46 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...257318001/

Our AD gets a mention...

Thanks for the post Steve. Glad someone from D.C. is on the lookout in Detroit media, while those of us living here are not. You are appreciated by me.
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2 more programs that will win MAC titles before we do.
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Middle Tennessee will remain with C-USA

https://mtsu.edu/president/post/1724/sta...ffiliation
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Haven't seen it mentioned, but the MAC officially decided not to expand. They put out a press release yesterday.
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(11-10-2021 03:00 PM)EagleHawk Wrote:  Middle Tennessee will remain with C-USA

https://mtsu.edu/president/post/1724/sta...ffiliation

I was afraid of this after C-USA did their Lazarus-like resurrection from the dead.

I would have loved to add WKU and say James Madison (or MTSU).

WKU and JMU would have given us two additional states which are compatible with the MAC.

I have been to JMU only once. I do believe a good number of their students come from Northern Virginia and the school would fit very well with a midwestern conference.
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I'm disappointed.
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(11-11-2021 01:33 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  I'm disappointed.

It is all very simple. WKU and MTSU were going to move together. Once it appeared that C-USA would remain viable, MTSU decided to stay put (to get $ from the schools leaving for other conferences). Once MTSU stayed put, so did WKU.

I don't see WKU and UMass (or whomever).

IF JMU had not committed so early to SBC, maybe WKU + JMU would have worked.
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