(10-29-2021 04:56 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 04:49 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 03:52 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 01:06 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Liberty is to sports what NotOurDame, or BeWhyWho are. There needs to be a bad guy that everyone dislikes and roots against. Add them and screw those that don't want them. It's not like they have a say in anything anyway, just a lot of jawing about boohoo Schiff.

Liberty is nothing like Notre Dame or BYU...

People don't dislike Liberty because of their religious doctrine. For some people it's political. For people like me it's their hypocrisy manifested in real harm against people. As it pertains to athletics, when this school spends less per pupil than the NC Public School System spends, despite charging for a premier education, and then funnels money into their athletics programs, I have an issue.

Oh, that is not completely right. 75% of the hate directed at Liberty is by LGBT activists who don't like that they won't openly celebrate homosexuality. And many of these people who after them are LGBT journalists. It has been going on for years. I'll admit, some is because of Falwell and his behavior but I don't really think that is what is behind this. Liberty will get a new President and the same people will still go after them.

LGBT people and activists don’t want or care if religious people celebrate their homosexuality. They just hope not to be hated and rightfully ask to be treated as human beings.

Bullshittt

Very few people in this world today, well USA, hates gay people. Those same people most likely hates just about everyone. This has went way passed, just treat me equal, now its "treat me special"

That right there is causing he most problems. A person can have their own beliefs that is different from others and still not hate. Some groups of people in this country wants 100% approval and NO ONE gets that.

There's a part of this country that hates...

all males
hates all females
hates black people
hates white people
Hates red people
Hates....

Hell 2021 the most hated group in America is the white male over 40 years of age

(10-29-2021 05:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 04:56 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 04:49 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 03:52 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 01:06 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Liberty is to sports what NotOurDame, or BeWhyWho are. There needs to be a bad guy that everyone dislikes and roots against. Add them and screw those that don't want them. It's not like they have a say in anything anyway, just a lot of jawing about boohoo Schiff.

Liberty is nothing like Notre Dame or BYU...

People don't dislike Liberty because of their religious doctrine. For some people it's political. For people like me it's their hypocrisy manifested in real harm against people. As it pertains to athletics, when this school spends less per pupil than the NC Public School System spends, despite charging for a premier education, and then funnels money into their athletics programs, I have an issue.

Oh, that is not completely right. 75% of the hate directed at Liberty is by LGBT activists who don't like that they won't openly celebrate homosexuality. And many of these people who after them are LGBT journalists. It has been going on for years. I'll admit, some is because of Falwell and his behavior but I don't really think that is what is behind this. Liberty will get a new President and the same people will still go after them.

LGBT people and activists don’t want or care if religious people celebrate their homosexuality. They just hope not to be hated and rightfully ask to be treated as human beings.

Bullshittt

Very few people in this world today, well USA, hates gay people. Those same people most likely hates just about everyone. This has went way passed, just treat me equal, now its "treat me special"

That right there is causing he most problems. A person can have their own beliefs that is different from others and still not hate. Some groups of people in this country wants 100% approval and NO ONE gets that.

There's a part of this country that hates...

all males
hates all females
hates black people
hates white people
Hates red people
Hates....

Hell 2021 the most hated group in America is the white male over 40 years of age

Who the heck still says red people past 1990?

(10-29-2021 07:58 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 05:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 04:56 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 04:49 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 03:52 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Liberty is nothing like Notre Dame or BYU...

People don't dislike Liberty because of their religious doctrine. For some people it's political. For people like me it's their hypocrisy manifested in real harm against people. As it pertains to athletics, when this school spends less per pupil than the NC Public School System spends, despite charging for a premier education, and then funnels money into their athletics programs, I have an issue.

Oh, that is not completely right. 75% of the hate directed at Liberty is by LGBT activists who don't like that they won't openly celebrate homosexuality. And many of these people who after them are LGBT journalists. It has been going on for years. I'll admit, some is because of Falwell and his behavior but I don't really think that is what is behind this. Liberty will get a new President and the same people will still go after them.

LGBT people and activists don’t want or care if religious people celebrate their homosexuality. They just hope not to be hated and rightfully ask to be treated as human beings.

Bullshittt

Very few people in this world today, well USA, hates gay people. Those same people most likely hates just about everyone. This has went way passed, just treat me equal, now its "treat me special"

That right there is causing he most problems. A person can have their own beliefs that is different from others and still not hate. Some groups of people in this country wants 100% approval and NO ONE gets that.

There's a part of this country that hates...

all males
hates all females
hates black people
hates white people
Hates red people
Hates....

Hell 2021 the most hated group in America is the white male over 40 years of age

Who the heck still says red people past 1990?

Well I started to add purple, green, brown, yellow, other words everyone, but left it at hate...

Point being everyone is hated by a few and no one is accepted 100% and it will always be that way. At this point there are groups of people that have moved past their goal of "being accepted and equal" to expecting 100% accepted and special treatment.

You or I dont get to tell others how they must feel or accept. In America that's a freedom we all should enjoy as long as it doesnt encroach on someone else. That is exactly the way it works for most of the 300+ million in this country

(10-29-2021 08:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 07:58 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 05:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 04:56 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 04:49 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Oh, that is not completely right. 75% of the hate directed at Liberty is by LGBT activists who don't like that they won't openly celebrate homosexuality. And many of these people who after them are LGBT journalists. It has been going on for years. I'll admit, some is because of Falwell and his behavior but I don't really think that is what is behind this. Liberty will get a new President and the same people will still go after them.

LGBT people and activists don’t want or care if religious people celebrate their homosexuality. They just hope not to be hated and rightfully ask to be treated as human beings.

Bullshittt

Very few people in this world today, well USA, hates gay people. Those same people most likely hates just about everyone. This has went way passed, just treat me equal, now its "treat me special"

That right there is causing he most problems. A person can have their own beliefs that is different from others and still not hate. Some groups of people in this country wants 100% approval and NO ONE gets that.

There's a part of this country that hates...

all males
hates all females
hates black people
hates white people
Hates red people
Hates....

Hell 2021 the most hated group in America is the white male over 40 years of age

Who the heck still says red people past 1990?

Well I started to add purple, green, brown, yellow, other words everyone, but left it at hate...

Point being everyone is hated by a few and no one is accepted 100% and it will always be that way. At this point there are groups of people that have moved past their goal of "being accepted and equal" to expecting 100% accepted and special treatment.

You or I dont get to tell others how they must feel or accept. In America that's a freedom we all should enjoy as long as it doesnt encroach on someone else. That is exactly the way it works for most of the 300+ million in this country

You greatly dismiss how much more hatred there is for some groups in this country even still in 2021 than others.

The fact that you include "all males" and "all white people" in your rundown just shows how misguided you are.

And yes, within certain contexts, we do get to tell people who they have to "accept", when "acceptance" has to do with things like actual discrimination. Many people say they just "don't accept" or "don't approve", but then actively discriminate and try to legislate the rights of certain groups.

(10-29-2021 08:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 08:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 07:58 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 05:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 04:56 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  LGBT people and activists don’t want or care if religious people celebrate their homosexuality. They just hope not to be hated and rightfully ask to be treated as human beings.

Bullshittt

Very few people in this world today, well USA, hates gay people. Those same people most likely hates just about everyone. This has went way passed, just treat me equal, now its "treat me special"

That right there is causing he most problems. A person can have their own beliefs that is different from others and still not hate. Some groups of people in this country wants 100% approval and NO ONE gets that.

There's a part of this country that hates...

all males
hates all females
hates black people
hates white people
Hates red people
Hates....

Hell 2021 the most hated group in America is the white male over 40 years of age

Who the heck still says red people past 1990?

Well I started to add purple, green, brown, yellow, other words everyone, but left it at hate...

Point being everyone is hated by a few and no one is accepted 100% and it will always be that way. At this point there are groups of people that have moved past their goal of "being accepted and equal" to expecting 100% accepted and special treatment.

You or I dont get to tell others how they must feel or accept. In America that's a freedom we all should enjoy as long as it doesnt encroach on someone else. That is exactly the way it works for most of the 300+ million in this country

You greatly dismiss how much more hatred there is for some groups in this country even still in 2021 than others.

The fact that you include "all males" and "all white people" in your rundown just shows how misguided you are.

And yes, within certain contexts, we do get to tell people who they have to "accept", when "acceptance" has to do with things like actual discrimination. Many people say they just "don't accept" or "don't approve", but then actively discriminate and try to legislate the rights of certain groups.

You must be assuming both of those covers the same people and it's funny you chose not to include "all females" and "all white people". You are 100% wrong in American you or I or the government or any other person gets to tell "others" they must accept. Accepting or not, and discrimination or not, doesnt go hand in hand.

No where did I say anyone had the right to discrimination against anyone. You are making things up that I did not say or even hit at.

I guess you failed to read this part

"In America that's a freedom we all should enjoy as long as it doesnt encroach on someone else"

(10-29-2021 09:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 08:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 08:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 07:58 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 05:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Bullshittt

Very few people in this world today, well USA, hates gay people. Those same people most likely hates just about everyone. This has went way passed, just treat me equal, now its "treat me special"

That right there is causing he most problems. A person can have their own beliefs that is different from others and still not hate. Some groups of people in this country wants 100% approval and NO ONE gets that.

There's a part of this country that hates...

all males
hates all females
hates black people
hates white people
Hates red people
Hates....

Hell 2021 the most hated group in America is the white male over 40 years of age

Who the heck still says red people past 1990?

Well I started to add purple, green, brown, yellow, other words everyone, but left it at hate...

Point being everyone is hated by a few and no one is accepted 100% and it will always be that way. At this point there are groups of people that have moved past their goal of "being accepted and equal" to expecting 100% accepted and special treatment.

You or I dont get to tell others how they must feel or accept. In America that's a freedom we all should enjoy as long as it doesnt encroach on someone else. That is exactly the way it works for most of the 300+ million in this country

You greatly dismiss how much more hatred there is for some groups in this country even still in 2021 than others.

The fact that you include "all males" and "all white people" in your rundown just shows how misguided you are.

And yes, within certain contexts, we do get to tell people who they have to "accept", when "acceptance" has to do with things like actual discrimination. Many people say they just "don't accept" or "don't approve", but then actively discriminate and try to legislate the rights of certain groups.

You must be assuming both of those covers the same people and it's funny you chose not to include "all females" and "all white people". You are 100% wrong in American you or I or the government or any other person gets to tell "others" they must accept. Accepting or not, and discrimination or not, doesnt go hand in hand.

No where did I say anyone had the right to discrimination against anyone. You are making things up

That is not at all what I said.

Yes, there are people who hate "all men" and there are people who hate "all white people", but it is not even kind of the same as hatred for minority groups of all sorts.

And I didn't say you were discriminating against anyone, but the people who do discriminate and do try to legislate the rights of certain groups almost always claims it's coming from a place of simply "not accepting" or "not approving of".

Without wading into politics. The equal protection clause of the Constitution guarantees all citizens of the United States equal treatment under the law. Fairly straightforward, if you have an issue take it up with the Founding Fathers.

(10-29-2021 09:14 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  Without wading into politics. The equal protection clause of the Constitution guarantees all citizens of the United States equal treatment under the law. Fairly straightforward, if you have an issue take it up with the Founding Fathers.

1. The equal protection clause went into affect long after the death of any founding father. Further the founding fathers believed people could be property and that only wealthy white male landowners should vote.

2. Women didn't get the right for more than half a century after the equal protection clause was enacted and the Civil Rights Movement was still needed nearly a century after it's enactment.

3. Bearing in mind the aforementioned, I'm not at all concerned with what the Founding Fathers might say about life in the United States in 2021.

(10-29-2021 09:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:14 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  Without wading into politics. The equal protection clause of the Constitution guarantees all citizens of the United States equal treatment under the law. Fairly straightforward, if you have an issue take it up with the Founding Fathers.

1. The equal protection clause went into affect long after the death of any founding father. Further the founding fathers believed people could be property and that only wealthy white male landowners should vote.

2. Women didn't get the right for more than half a century after the equal protection clause was enacted and the Civil Rights Movement was still needed nearly a century after it's enactment.

3. Bearing in mind the aforementioned, I'm not at all concerned with what the Founding Fathers might say about life in the United States in 2021.

Ugh, my point was that this system, imperfect as it is, guarantees everyone equal standing in front of the law. If someone has an issue with the notion of people being treated equally, then their beliefs are fundamentally at odds with the ideals that make America a great, albeit imperfect, country.

I think you can deduce where I stand on the issues based on the above.

(10-29-2021 09:28 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  Ugh, my point was that this system, imperfect as it is, guarantees everyone equal standing in front of the law.

Does it really though?

(10-29-2021 09:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:28 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  Ugh, my point was that this system, imperfect as it is, guarantees everyone equal standing in front of the law.

Does it really though?

I think you can probably deduce my thoughts on that as well.

(10-29-2021 09:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:28 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  Ugh, my point was that this system, imperfect as it is, guarantees everyone equal standing in front of the law.

Does it really though?

YES!

(10-29-2021 09:43 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:28 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  Ugh, my point was that this system, imperfect as it is, guarantees everyone equal standing in front of the law.

Does it really though?

I think you can probably deduce my thoughts on that as well.

So then what is your actual point, that people are at odds with how it's supposed to be in this country, but isn't how things are in reality?

(10-29-2021 09:46 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:28 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  Ugh, my point was that this system, imperfect as it is, guarantees everyone equal standing in front of the law.

Does it really though?

YES!

Suuuuuuure.....

(10-29-2021 09:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:43 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:28 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  Ugh, my point was that this system, imperfect as it is, guarantees everyone equal standing in front of the law.

Does it really though?

I think you can probably deduce my thoughts on that as well.

So then what is your actual point, that people are at odds with how it's supposed to be in this country, but isn't how things are in reality?

My point is that to some people equality incorrectly looks like the erosion of their rights. Not because their rights are actually being eroded, but because they actually enjoyed more rights than their fellow citizens.

(10-29-2021 09:49 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:43 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 09:28 PM)JulesFIU07 Wrote:  Ugh, my point was that this system, imperfect as it is, guarantees everyone equal standing in front of the law.

Does it really though?

I think you can probably deduce my thoughts on that as well.

So then what is your actual point, that people are at odds with how it's supposed to be in this country, but isn't how things are in reality?

My point is that to some people equality incorrectly looks like the erosion of their rights. Not because their rights are actually being eroded, but because they actually enjoyed more rights than their fellow citizens.

Yeah, that's fair, though with how long it's taken to get to where we are where the system is still deeply flawed, I suppose I can somewhat understand how certain people might see it that way. Erosion is slow moving and so has been the fight to get to where true equality as intended is realized.