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The Rice University that I attended was (with Caltech and MIT) generally regarded as one of the top three STEM institutions of higher learning in the USA, and decidedly Texan, while fielding at least reasonably competitive teams in major intercollegiate athletics.

Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left, and any hope of top-notch athletics competition has long left the building. No thanks.
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(10-31-2021 02:15 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(10-31-2021 12:59 PM)flash3200 Wrote:  Hopefully they spend it on creating well rounded and well educated individuals from undergrad programs. The last few undergrad Rice hires in my group have been complete bombs.
Or we could spend it on a palatial guilded opera house that costs around $1 million per audience seat while lying to everyone and saying that we are pursuing equity.
The dumb 4 year degree holders and leftist dog whistling while building a materially elitist University are probably related, but what do I know.
What industry do you work in, out of curiosity?

I had a similar experience in accounting and finance. The only Rice hires who worked out well for us were former athletes, who seemed to be better grounded in reality.
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(10-31-2021 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The Rice University that I attended was (with Caltech and MIT) generally regarded as one of the top three STEM institutions of higher learning in the USA, while fielding at least reasonably competitive teams in major intercollegiate athletics.

Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left, and any hope of top-notch athletics competition has long left the building. No thanks.

Hmm-might that have to do with Leebron? Never liked him from the first-too much of a Yankee and I really disliked his attitude toward Hat during a meet and greet the team event just after he started. Nothing he has done since has changed my thinking
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(10-31-2021 04:05 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  Hmm-might that have to do with Leebron? Never liked him from the first-too much of a Yankee and I really disliked his attitude toward Hat during a meet and greet the team event just after he started. Nothing he has done since has changed my thinking

I think Leebron is more symptom than problem.
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(10-31-2021 04:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-31-2021 04:05 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  Hmm-might that have to do with Leebron? Never liked him from the first-too much of a Yankee and I really disliked his attitude toward Hat during a meet and greet the team event just after he started. Nothing he has done since has changed my thinking

I think Leebron is more symptom than problem.

Just curious what you think the problem is? I thought the buck stops with the top dog?
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Except they will take their money anyway and will not address any concerns raised.

No answer on:
1.Why is it mandatory for new freshman to have to take a 5 week equity course which is about jargon instead of really reducing racism?

2. Should Rice be admitting so many nationals of a hostile nation Red China but rejecting the qualified American citizens that could have taken those places?

3.Did we need to retain so many COVID restrictions that are destroying the ability of the Rice community to gather together?

4. Why is Rice willing to tolerate bad athletics when the academic departments have to either improve or be eliminated?

%. Others could mention items that swept under the rug.




(10-29-2021 05:58 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(10-29-2021 05:45 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(10-29-2021 04:42 PM)bigowlsfan Wrote:  
(10-29-2021 04:04 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(10-29-2021 04:00 PM)Hou_Lawyer Wrote:  Glenn Youngkin is a bball alum. Worth $400M. Has he given anything? Or since he's an ( R ), is he off limits?

He gave a building wing, the Youngkin Center.

They'll happily take Republican money.

Hopefully pretty soon they are taking Governor money.

If he does become governor, that’s quite the success story that Rice athletics and the university in general could tout, if they can get past the Republicans are evil thing.

I was unaware that Rice University's position is that Republicans are evil. That is terrible and something I completely disagree with. Where did you hear this information so that I can express my disappointment to President Leebron?
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Except they will take their money anyway and will not address any concerns raised.

No answer on:
1.Why is it mandatory for new freshman to have to take a 5 week equity course which is about jargon instead of really reducing racism?

2. Should Rice be admitting so many nationals of a hostile nation Red China but rejecting the qualified American citizens that could have taken those places?

3.Did we need to retain so many COVID restrictions that are destroying the ability of the Rice community to gather together?

4. Why is Rice willing to tolerate bad athletics when the academic departments have to either improve or be eliminated?

%. Others could mention items that swept under the rug.




(10-29-2021 05:58 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(10-29-2021 05:45 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(10-29-2021 04:42 PM)bigowlsfan Wrote:  
(10-29-2021 04:04 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(10-29-2021 04:00 PM)Hou_Lawyer Wrote:  Glenn Youngkin is a bball alum. Worth $400M. Has he given anything? Or since he's an ( R ), is he off limits?

He gave a building wing, the Youngkin Center.

They'll happily take Republican money.

Hopefully pretty soon they are taking Governor money.

If he does become governor, that’s quite the success story that Rice athletics and the university in general could tout, if they can get past the Republicans are evil thing.

I was unaware that Rice University's position is that Republicans are evil. That is terrible and something I completely disagree with. Where did you hear this information so that I can express my disappointment to President Leebron?
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(10-31-2021 11:25 PM)75src Wrote:  Except they will take their money anyway and will not address any concerns raised.

No answer on:
1.Why is it mandatory for new freshman to have to take a 5 week equity course which is about jargon instead of really reducing racism?

2. Should Rice be admitting so many nationals of a hostile nation Red China but rejecting the qualified American citizens that could have taken those places?

3.Did we need to retain so many COVID restrictions that are destroying the ability of the Rice community to gather together?

4. Why is Rice willing to tolerate bad athletics when the academic departments have to either improve or be eliminated?

%. Others could mention items that swept under the rug.

I'm undoubtedly more liberal than many on this board, but I still agree with (1), (2) and (4). I think that (3) is a bit more complicated, and that there needs to be a nuanced approach, as opposed to an adamant position on either extreme.
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(10-31-2021 04:15 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Just curious what you think the problem is? I thought the buck stops with the top dog?

A combination of things that I mentioned in an earlier post above.

(10-31-2021 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The Rice University that I attended was (with Caltech and MIT) generally regarded as one of the top three STEM institutions of higher learning in the USA, and decidedly Texan, while fielding at least reasonably competitive teams in major intercollegiate athletics.
Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left, and any hope of top-notch athletics competition has long left the building. No thanks.
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(10-29-2021 05:58 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I was unaware that Rice University's position is that Republicans are evil. That is terrible and something I completely disagree with. Where did you hear this information so that I can express my disappointment to President Leebron?

I think that 1) it is pretty self-evident from actions, but 2) nobody is going to state that in so many words, for reasons that should be obvious.
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(10-31-2021 12:59 PM)flash3200 Wrote:  Hopefully they spend it on creating well rounded and well educated individuals from undergrad programs. The last few undergrad Rice hires in my group have been complete bombs.

Or we could spend it on a palatial guilded opera house that costs around $1 million per audience seat while lying to everyone and saying that we are pursuing equity.

The dumb 4 year degree holders and leftist dog whistling while building a materially elitist University are probably related, but what do I know.

Watch out, Flash. The elitists on the board will shout you down and whine about you expressing an opinion different from their approved line of groupthink...all while enthusiastically touting the next conference on campus featuring Zero or one of his minions pontificating on the unbalanced values they hold so dear with breathless enthusiasm, and not a hint of remorse for mentioning it on the sports boards. Or republishing pleas for donations to politically motivated causes celebre of their point of view in the most obtuse manner without even seeing that it violates their own stated principles not to do so. Well, apparently you can post about leftists climate change fundraising and the university's racist indoctrination courses on the sports boards all you want and that's just fine, but post about America and traditional values that actually built the nation and once made it great, and well, you are evil and unwelcome--shouted down with glee.

We see the same attitudes on our athletic fields of play contributing to their struggles. Your assertion seems increasingly correct that many of those who are now graduating from the U are increasingly unemployable in real-world jobs although sophistic echo chambers might still seem hungry for many of them.

It would be refreshing for more of a balance of grads like the builders, doers and creators of yesteryear instead of so many whiny beta sophisticates who scowl openly, whining at any mention of a shared history of our institution's important contributions to our former national prominence and leadership from ahead instead of from behind as they famously have been taught to accept and promulgate with their bully tactics.

The men who helped send us to the moon and beyond while overcoming seemingly impossible obstacles from actual real-world problems to make our nation proud and exceptional instead of made-up ones seem largely to have long since left the building. And the same attitudes of weakness and beta-male conditioning have long-since permeated our sports teams, making it additionally difficult for the athletes to mature as well-rounded young men and women (oops, can't say that as it's wrongthink) and try to rise above the nonsense in order to succeed on the fields of play. The discipline and grittiness of coaches like Wayne Graham are generally not welcomed on campus at South Main because they are successful by rooting themselves in traditional values and hard work rather than excuses and new age fantasies that don't work when confronted with real world situations. Rice football teams especially should have long since figured out how to use our alleged academic superiority to its advantage on the fields of play. Things like finding alternative ways of using intellect, speed and scheming, et cetera that have been mentioned ad infinitum by some on these boards. The stubbornness to keep to losing ways so long as they don't rock the boat of the Rice Way is wholly related to the wrongheaded values of the current university ethos that makes many of our present day grads more busts than successes in the workplace. I still hold out some hope that change will come. The institution's proud history echoes with the whispers of past success that portend an opportunity to lead in the future. Would that we had more on campus who could hear it and deign to respond to the call to be champions.
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(10-31-2021 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left

I can't really comment as to how true this statement is, as I'm rarely around the University anymore.
However, what's critical to include here is the fact that conservatism, in the true sense of the word politically, has completely exited the field of debate.
What appears to many of you to be a hard leftist shift is actually to a large degree the universal, total rejection of Trumpism by the educated.
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I reject Trumpism but I also oppose a nanny state.

(11-02-2021 01:50 PM)Barney Wrote:  
(10-31-2021 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left

I can't really comment as to how true this statement is, as I'm rarely around the University anymore.
However, what's critical to include here is the fact that conservatism, in the true sense of the word politically, has completely exited the field of debate.
What appears to many of you to be a hard leftist shift is actually to a large degree the universal, total rejection of Trumpism by the educated.
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(11-02-2021 01:50 PM)Barney Wrote:  
(10-31-2021 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left

I can't really comment as to how true this statement is, as I'm rarely around the University anymore.
However, what's critical to include here is the fact that conservatism, in the true sense of the word politically, has completely exited the field of debate.
What appears to many of you to be a hard leftist shift is actually to a large degree the universal, total rejection of Trumpism by the educated.

So what is Trumpism?
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(11-03-2021 08:20 AM)Ranger Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 01:50 PM)Barney Wrote:  
(10-31-2021 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left

I can't really comment as to how true this statement is, as I'm rarely around the University anymore.
However, what's critical to include here is the fact that conservatism, in the true sense of the word politically, has completely exited the field of debate.
What appears to many of you to be a hard leftist shift is actually to a large degree the universal, total rejection of Trumpism by the educated.

So what is Trumpism?

Good question. I hope we get an answer.
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(11-03-2021 08:20 AM)Ranger Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 01:50 PM)Barney Wrote:  
(10-31-2021 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left

I can't really comment as to how true this statement is, as I'm rarely around the University anymore.
However, what's critical to include here is the fact that conservatism, in the true sense of the word politically, has completely exited the field of debate.
What appears to many of you to be a hard leftist shift is actually to a large degree the universal, total rejection of Trumpism by the educated.

So what is Trumpism?

Maybe a better topic for The Quad? I really, really hope no one answers in this thread!
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(11-03-2021 09:34 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(11-03-2021 08:20 AM)Ranger Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 01:50 PM)Barney Wrote:  
(10-31-2021 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left

I can't really comment as to how true this statement is, as I'm rarely around the University anymore.
However, what's critical to include here is the fact that conservatism, in the true sense of the word politically, has completely exited the field of debate.
What appears to many of you to be a hard leftist shift is actually to a large degree the universal, total rejection of Trumpism by the educated.

So what is Trumpism?

Maybe a better topic for The Quad?

No, I want an answer. Hard to get that in the Quad.
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(11-02-2021 01:50 PM)Barney Wrote:  However, what's critical to include here is the fact that conservatism, in the true sense of the word politically, has completely exited the field of debate.

It is even more true, and more critical, that liberalism has even more completely exited the field.

(11-02-2021 01:50 PM)Barney Wrote:  What appears to many of you to be a hard leftist shift is actually to a large degree the universal, total rejection of Trumpism by the educated.

Wow, that is one of the most delusional comments in the history of the Parliament. Among its many flaws, it is wholly disproved by chronology.

On the other hand, there does seem to be a rejection by the sensible of the long-trending and irrefutable hard leftist shift of the chattering classes.
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(11-02-2021 02:39 PM)75src Wrote:  I reject Trumpism but I also oppose a nanny state.

(11-02-2021 01:50 PM)Barney Wrote:  
(10-31-2021 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left

I can't really comment as to how true this statement is, as I'm rarely around the University anymore.
However, what's critical to include here is the fact that conservatism, in the true sense of the word politically, has completely exited the field of debate.
What appears to many of you to be a hard leftist shift is actually to a large degree the universal, total rejection of Trumpism by the educated.

Does Barney consider you educated?
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(11-02-2021 01:50 PM)Barney Wrote:  
(10-31-2021 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Today it would seem that the emphasis has shifted more toward trying to be like a northeastern liberal arts school, the political climate has lurched hard left
I can't really comment as to how true this statement is, as I'm rarely around the University anymore.
However, what's critical to include here is the fact that conservatism, in the true sense of the word politically, has completely exited the field of debate.
What appears to many of you to be a hard leftist shift is actually to a large degree the universal, total rejection of Trumpism by the educated.

Doesn't match the chronology. The efforts to emulate a northeastern liberal arts school and the hard left lurch of the political climate at Rice occurred long before Donald Trump entered politics.
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