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(10-28-2021 09:56 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Without grading them, I would say thst there were many winners. Indeed all of those who actually moved or are moving, are winners.

Losers include all of the left-behinds in CUSA, ECU, Temple, and Witchita St, and to a lesser extent, UTA and Little Rock.

I agree with this. Everyone who was able to find a new home was a winner IMO.

(10-28-2021 05:39 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Think you’d have to give the teams that left CUSA a higher grade. Sure, they left for a potentially similar situation in CUSA but the money and exposure is better. They certainly don’t deserve the same grade as the teams left behind.

I heard last night that the money is closer to a wash compared to CUSA. My understanding is that the $2M number is based on full incentives. The base number is more like $1.1M or $1.2M. And there is a charge to each school and the Sun Belt charge is higher than CUSA. The TV contract is not a clean, one-direction, payment. There is a somewhat complicated formula involved. In a nutshell, there is a chance for it to be better for us, but it would require certain positive things to happen. So, if true, I think "potentially better" is the term that best describes the TV revenue difference we will experience from the current CUSA to the new SBC.

Does anyone think ECU is kind of back in a sort of Conference USA?

(10-28-2021 04:17 PM)elon77 Wrote:  Does anyone think ECU is kind of back in a sort of Conference USA?

I suspect that they certainly hope so.
ECU has not had a winning MBB or football program since they moved to the AAC.

(10-28-2021 11:11 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Gonna throw the BS flag. The Pukes do not have enough women’s sports to offset the additional 22 scholarships they have to cover.

JMU did all their sports cutting back in 2006 when they were still in the CAA. Can't remember off the top of my head how many they cut and kept after the initial announcement. Just eyeballing the current 6 Men's, 12 Women's sports offerings (Track counts twice as indoor and outdoor are treated as separate sports), there's likely more than enough scholarships and roster spots under Prong 1 to satisfy Title IX compliance.

Will be interesting to see how long it takes em to get VT or UVA to come in there to play. Respect is everything, so we'll see. Having us and the rest of the SB East running in there will be an immediate upgrade, but will the P5s even look at the Tilt-A-Whirl or will they just keep doing what everyone else does--speed up when they are rolling past hillbilly country.
Guess we'll see as they finally work on a real schedule. Lol.

In the meantime, undefeated in football and completely dominant in mostly every other sport. Looking forward to more fun--I suppose. Hopefully it won't be as boring as in the past.

(10-28-2021 10:28 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Will be interesting to see how long it takes em to get VT or UVA to come in there to play. Respect is everything, so we'll see. Having us and the rest of the SB East running in there will be an immediate upgrade, but will the P5s even look at the Tilt-A-Whirl or will they just keep doing what everyone else does--speed up when they are rolling past hillbilly country.
Guess we'll see as they finally work on a real schedule. Lol.

In the meantime, undefeated in football and completely dominant in mostly every other sport. Looking forward to more fun--I suppose. Hopefully it won't be as boring as in the past.

ummm… NEVER. Or not until that metropolis they are in becomes a hot bed for recruiting.

(10-28-2021 03:33 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 05:39 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Think you’d have to give the teams that left CUSA a higher grade. Sure, they left for a potentially similar situation in AAC but the money and exposure is better. They certainly don’t deserve the same grade as the teams left behind.

I heard last night that the money is closer to a wash compared to CUSA. My understanding is that the $2M number is based on full incentives. The base number is more like $1.1M or $1.2M. And there is a charge to each school and the Sun Belt charge is higher than CUSA. The TV contract is not a clean, one-direction, payment. There is a somewhat complicated formula involved. In a nutshell, there is a chance for it to be better for us, but it would require certain positive things to happen. So, if true, I think "potentially better" is the term that best describes the TV revenue difference we will experience from the current CUSA to the new SBC.

FWIW I was talking about the schools that went to the AAC. But even if the money is the same or worse in the Sun Belt than CUSA, it's better exposure, provides fans with a better viewing experience and is much more accessible. It's a much better media deal.

(10-28-2021 11:11 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 08:44 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 05:17 AM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  Who scored well on the realignment shuffle and who failed?

A grade
Cincinnati, BYU, both are committed to CFB and MBB both are aided by the move
Big 12, yes the $$$ is impacted, but the two bullies Texas and Oklahoma left
MWC, told off the AAC and showed strength

B Grade
UCF and Houston, UCF is on an island and cares about 1 sport, CFB
Houston is fueled by one man's money, another OkState

USM, ODU, Marshall, got to regional configuration with little $$$ involved
Sun Belt, picked up the right schools, rid themselves of MBB only schools, big schism of west and east

Texas and Oklahoma, SEC sounds great, enjoy how much Alabama, Texas AM, LSU, Georgia, Florida care about your chest thumping


C Grade
JMU, they get to move up, but what at what cost? lots of Title IX figuring out to do
AAC, went way too big, Memphis must be leaving and adding 6 softens the blow

D Grade
Charlotte, FAU, UAB, UNT, UTSA, Rice left CUSA for a CUSA clone with a weakened position
FIU, UTEP, LaTech, WKU, MTSU wow, just wow, nobody wants them and nowhere to go

F Grade
Liberty, NOBODY wants them
CUSA, the new WAC, a Potemkin village of a conference

Lol. No title IX issues at all. Costs are going to increase, of course, but this move will lead to greater fan interest, ticket sales, and donor giving. Tack on roughly $3mm (vs the $0 we got in FCS) from media and CFB payout, and we'll be fine. Giving JMU a C for ending up in the same spot as ODU is hysterical.

Gonna throw the BS flag. The Pukes do not have enough women’s sports to offset the additional 22 scholarships they have to cover.

Everyone within JMU has already addressed this.

ZERO title ix issues.

But of course, message board posters from ODU would no better than the admin at JMU.

(10-29-2021 02:38 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 11:11 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 08:44 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 05:17 AM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  Who scored well on the realignment shuffle and who failed?

A grade
Cincinnati, BYU, both are committed to CFB and MBB both are aided by the move
Big 12, yes the $$$ is impacted, but the two bullies Texas and Oklahoma left
MWC, told off the AAC and showed strength

B Grade
UCF and Houston, UCF is on an island and cares about 1 sport, CFB
Houston is fueled by one man's money, another OkState

USM, ODU, Marshall, got to regional configuration with little $$$ involved
Sun Belt, picked up the right schools, rid themselves of MBB only schools, big schism of west and east

Texas and Oklahoma, SEC sounds great, enjoy how much Alabama, Texas AM, LSU, Georgia, Florida care about your chest thumping


C Grade
JMU, they get to move up, but what at what cost? lots of Title IX figuring out to do
AAC, went way too big, Memphis must be leaving and adding 6 softens the blow

D Grade
Charlotte, FAU, UAB, UNT, UTSA, Rice left CUSA for a CUSA clone with a weakened position
FIU, UTEP, LaTech, WKU, MTSU wow, just wow, nobody wants them and nowhere to go

F Grade
Liberty, NOBODY wants them
CUSA, the new WAC, a Potemkin village of a conference

Lol. No title IX issues at all. Costs are going to increase, of course, but this move will lead to greater fan interest, ticket sales, and donor giving. Tack on roughly $3mm (vs the $0 we got in FCS) from media and CFB payout, and we'll be fine. Giving JMU a C for ending up in the same spot as ODU is hysterical.

Gonna throw the BS flag. The Pukes do not have enough women’s sports to offset the additional 22 scholarships they have to cover.

Everyone within JMU has already addressed this.

ZERO title ix issues.

But of course, message board posters from ODU would know better than the admin at JMU.

FIFY

(10-29-2021 02:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-29-2021 02:38 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 11:11 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 08:44 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 05:17 AM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  Who scored well on the realignment shuffle and who failed?

A grade
Cincinnati, BYU, both are committed to CFB and MBB both are aided by the move
Big 12, yes the $$$ is impacted, but the two bullies Texas and Oklahoma left
MWC, told off the AAC and showed strength

B Grade
UCF and Houston, UCF is on an island and cares about 1 sport, CFB
Houston is fueled by one man's money, another OkState

USM, ODU, Marshall, got to regional configuration with little $$$ involved
Sun Belt, picked up the right schools, rid themselves of MBB only schools, big schism of west and east

Texas and Oklahoma, SEC sounds great, enjoy how much Alabama, Texas AM, LSU, Georgia, Florida care about your chest thumping


C Grade
JMU, they get to move up, but what at what cost? lots of Title IX figuring out to do
AAC, went way too big, Memphis must be leaving and adding 6 softens the blow

D Grade
Charlotte, FAU, UAB, UNT, UTSA, Rice left CUSA for a CUSA clone with a weakened position
FIU, UTEP, LaTech, WKU, MTSU wow, just wow, nobody wants them and nowhere to go

F Grade
Liberty, NOBODY wants them
CUSA, the new WAC, a Potemkin village of a conference

Lol. No title IX issues at all. Costs are going to increase, of course, but this move will lead to greater fan interest, ticket sales, and donor giving. Tack on roughly $3mm (vs the $0 we got in FCS) from media and CFB payout, and we'll be fine. Giving JMU a C for ending up in the same spot as ODU is hysterical.

Gonna throw the BS flag. The Pukes do not have enough women’s sports to offset the additional 22 scholarships they have to cover.

Everyone within JMU has already addressed this.

ZERO title ix issues.

But of course, message board posters from ODU would know better than the admin at JMU.

FIFY

He is from JMU. They don’t make grammatical errors. They would lose their teacher accreditation!

I hate that Western Ky and Middle Tennessee are seen as losers in all the realignment, and I guess they are. From an ODU fan’s perspective, I hate that we’re losing those rivalries. Over the years, they’ve been good opponents. But in the long run, other teams will take their place in our lore and become rivalries because of geographic closeness. But it stinks for those two schools. I don’t see any avenue for them to improve there lot.

La. Tech to me is the biggest loser in all of this. They have a very good sports program all around. Now because of location they are on an island trying to figure out how they got there and how to get off.

(10-31-2021 07:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  La. Tech to me is the biggest loser in all of this. They have a very good sports program all around. Now because of location they are on an island trying to figure out how they got there and how to get off.

I don't know all of the ins-and-outs of the situation, but from what I have seen on the Sun Belt board La Tech burned some bridges with some of their in state peers which has come back to haunt them.

I will certainly miss WKU especially basketball. Once Kermit left MTSU became a massive bottom feeder though, I don't think I'll miss them. I will miss the peanut bowl.

Has anyone seem the new CUSA conference map...it is ridiculous I don't think there are two schools less than 8 hours apart. They should just fold the conference

(11-04-2021 01:27 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  Has anyone seem the new CUSA conference map...it is ridiculous I don't think there are two schools less than 8 hours apart. They should just fold the conference

NMSU and UTEP are 45 minutes apart.

I would have loved to have seen The Sun Belt and CUSA merge/split East and West.
All the East Teams combined and all of the West Teams combined.
That would have made 2 strong conferences.
Throw ECU into the East and we would have been gold.