(10-31-2021 08:48 PM)Panthers347 Wrote:  

(10-31-2021 08:42 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  

(10-31-2021 07:22 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(10-31-2021 04:55 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  Yeah, the student section was rowdy because they've had it shoved down their throats that this was a rivalry game since joining the school. Not a single student there has seen a true winner of a Georgia Southern team to know what success looks like. Not to mention they just like to do stupid **** during games to get opposing players riled up. Typical college student stuff.

The fans, on the other hand, were completely dead. There was rarely a time they were standing up the whole game, and they didn't even stand up during Freedom's Flight. Hell, even Freedom gave up and flew away. That was really indicative of the state of the football program. I can definitively say that atmosphere felt more dead than when we last played Coastal Carolina at home (where both benches got unsportsmanlike conduct fouls for having a dance off) and when we played Savannah State years ago.

You’ve mentioned Savannah State twice now in this thread, lol. If you’re so nostalgic for the days when your team hosted Savannah State, maybe it’s time to drop back down to FCS so you can host a now-D2 program that’s in your backyard and may be a more natural rival and opponent for you these days.

If we moved back down and got crowds like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61TdbhNokTY I'd gladly do it, as long as App State still played us every year. Notice the energy there versus the energy when Georgia State just came to play. Enough said about whether it's a rivalry.

Was this when the student section got in trouble for throwing stuff at SSU's cheerleaders or was that a different time?

Sounds like y'all are really really clamoring for the good ol' FCS days.

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I have no idea what they're on about and wish they would stop.

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(10-30-2021 11:01 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:49 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(10-30-2021 10:10 PM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  I’m not even mad about this game because I expected us to lose. Our players don’t take this game seriously while GSU’s players do. It’s important to them, meanwhile we don’t even have a coach. I’m surprised it wasn’t worse than it was TBH.

What in the world does this even mean? Georgia Southern players don’t take CONFERENCE games seriously? They take games against GSU LESS SERIOUSLY than Troy/Coastal/UL/etc./etc./etc.???

That does not even make the slightest bit of sense. I guess we are to believe that GSU is the least important conference game for you. Or maybe you’re claiming that Southern doesn’t care about any conference games? In that case, just forget all of it. Why would the only conference game you get to play against a team from your own state be the one your program goes out of its way to downplay year after year? Most of these kids know each other from camps, combines, recruiting visits and HS competition. They want to beat each other. That’s pure nonsense and you guys know it, but it’s hard to accept your program just isn’t all that great. That’s actually the simplest explanation.

Ya know, as lame as the 2015 excuse was of “Fritz was already out the door and was going through the motions that game week and didn’t care about prep or practice or anything else,” the excuses have only gotten lamer and lazier since then. Just “our players don’t care about this game.” If your FBS players don’t care about ANY game in which they put on a uniform and cleats and there are fans in the stands and broadcasters in the press box and lines painted on the field, then fold up the tents and just quit.

Of course, there is a simpler albeit harder to stomach explanation for all this, and that is that your program has far less potential at this level than you thought, and GSU has surpassed it, as mediocre as we are (and we are).

Anyway, you guys just keep us posted as to when it ACTUALLY counts or if there are enough extenuating circumstances that your five losses to us should be excused away. It will still be 730 days until you even get the chance to tie the series with us, and you better hope you’re not staring at 6-3 after next fall with this rebuild you got going on.

5-3! Love it.

No one said it didn't count. All he said was that he expected to lose because our players don't care about the game. You can tell 100% that these current players don't care about football anymore, or at least the coaches halfway through a game force them not to care. They all hate the current coaching decisions, such as not using Ransom, wasting the end of the first half, and calling stupid pass plays on 4th and 1. Not to mention, Georgia Southern doesn't view this as a rivalry game. It's a game we have to win for the same reason we have to beat South Alabama and Texas State (because the teams suck and should be beaten). The media pushed this whole forced rivalry thing on it that no one in Statesboro cares about. Our rival is App State. Soon Marshall might become a rival again. Furman is a dormant rivalry that is pretty much dead now. A rivalry is a game you never want to lose because it energizes the fanbase. Most of us just don't want to play Georgia State and never have. It feels the same as playing Savannah State in the stadium when the games happen. No excuses here to say it doesn't count towards wins and losses. Just saying our current football team has given up for good reason and no one in Statesboro views this as a rivalry other than those trying to make money.

Don't take this personally, because it is not meant to be..... but these sentiments are part of the problem. No matter how much you or others want to try and say that Ga St is not a rival, it doesn't change the fact that they are.

They are in state. They are in our conference and our division. They recruit against us for many of the same kids. We have a long history with them in other sports. We all hate each other and want just about more than anything to beat each other. We don't have any type of Hate Week type threads or postings on social media with any other team that we play except for Appy and Ga St.

Does it mean they are our biggest rival? No. But it does mean that they are ONE of our rivals. They check off EVERY box of what a rival is made up of. Just because you and some others don't think it is doesn't change the facts.

As soon as our players and coaches shut their damn mouth holes and start treating this like a real game and acting like they want to win it, then we might finally start playing like we want to be there and can even up the record against them. Until then, Ga St will continue to act like it is a big game and we will continue to show up and get embarrassed.

(10-30-2021 11:20 PM)Goronic Wrote:  If playing a team in your same state that is in the same conference and even the same division isn’t a rivalry I am not sure what is.

Thank you!

(10-31-2021 12:19 PM)Panthers347 Wrote:  

(10-31-2021 11:36 AM)Klak Wrote:  I'm really not sure what Georgia State fans want to hear. Congratulations? Nice job?

We went 34 years after starting our program and only had 3 losing seasons. We're about to have 3 in our last 6. We are a soggy **** sandwich of a program and it's due to Tom Kleinlein being such a douche that a good coach took any train out of town and then followed that up with 2 terrible hires. We suck. We will probably suck next year too.

Congratulations. You won. Again. Great job everyone.

Now for the part that Georgia State fans aren't comprehending: whether we lose to you or not, our fanbase is more upset about the overall state of our program since 2015 than we are about individual games. I hate losing to App, but I can't be super disappointed about losing to them in 2006, 2009, 2016, 2017, 2020, and (soon) 2021. If our team sucks and the game doesn't have any stakes, it's just another loss. Everything these days is just another loss. And that sucks. Thanks TK, you complete anal pustule.

You know good and well it would be a different tune if y'all won and the series was suddenly even.

It's funny, PantherTalk, AJC comments section, Twitter, here used to be so much chest puffing from the Southern contingency.

Congratulations on your history, sorry you aren't any good. Way to keep downplaying it.



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For most on here or our boards, no it wouldn't have been. We are trudging along waiting until the end of the season when the nightmare will hopefully stop and we can start talking about and looking forward to our new coach and what lies ahead. Only the very few that have no perspective would be talking any smack to anyone this year.

(10-31-2021 01:35 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I don't care about the W-L record (I mean at least as far as the question of if it's a rivalry). We left the SoCon with a 2-4 record against Samford as a conference mate. Does that make that a rivalry?

What really undermines the "not a rivalry" thing is 28k in the dome for a "white out" in 2014, 23k for a game in December after the students were done with finals, 18k to see a 0-7 GS team in 2017, and the insane crowd and atmosphere for Tookie Brown's senior day game at Hanner Fieldhouse. You can compare notches in the belt all day but those are what tell the story.

At any rate, I'm fed up with the same conundrums in every coaching search. With the advent of the transfer portal and the NCAA lifting the cap on signing class size it's as good a time as ever to go to a more generic offense. Let the old timer flexbone fundamentalists pitch a fit. These coaching change conundrums we put ourselves in are why we have 4 losing seasons since 2006 and working on the fifth one while App has none.

After watching Coastal, I'm of the opinion that Georgia Southern should experiment with a "multiple" offense. Have a QB that can run the traditional spread passing attack, run a flexbone/wishbone offense, run the stretch out of the pistol, etc. Defenses have been doing the equivalent for quite some time and teams who can recruit as required have been successful.

I think the ability to run a normal spread, then go into a pistol or wishbone when required could be something you all could benefit from, especially as college football moves to seeing the value of fourth down on the plus side of the field.

(10-31-2021 03:22 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(10-31-2021 01:20 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-31-2021 12:19 PM)Panthers347 Wrote:  

(10-31-2021 11:36 AM)Klak Wrote:  I'm really not sure what Georgia State fans want to hear. Congratulations? Nice job?

We went 34 years after starting our program and only had 3 losing seasons. We're about to have 3 in our last 6. We are a soggy **** sandwich of a program and it's due to Tom Kleinlein being such a douche that a good coach took any train out of town and then followed that up with 2 terrible hires. We suck. We will probably suck next year too.

Congratulations. You won. Again. Great job everyone.

Now for the part that Georgia State fans aren't comprehending: whether we lose to you or not, our fanbase is more upset about the overall state of our program since 2015 than we are about individual games. I hate losing to App, but I can't be super disappointed about losing to them in 2006, 2009, 2016, 2017, 2020, and (soon) 2021. If our team sucks and the game doesn't have any stakes, it's just another loss. Everything these days is just another loss. And that sucks. Thanks TK, you complete anal pustule.

You know good and well it would be a different tune if y'all won and the series was suddenly even.

It's funny, PantherTalk, AJC comments section, Twitter, here used to be so much chest puffing from the Southern contingency.

Congratulations on your history, sorry you aren't any good. Way to keep downplaying it.



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Georgia Southern used to have a reason to chest puff. As it stands, you are beating just another bad team because that's what Southern has become under Summers and Lunsford. You don't have the history with them in football to feel any sympathy, which is fine. But this has become sad and in some ways App fans are probably feeling some sympathy pains because if it can happen to Georgia Southern it can happen anywhere.

I have actually followed GS football for a long time and cheered for them whenever they were on tv or in the playoffs. Had numerous friends who went there. As a lifelong Tech fan as well I even felt some type of kinship with the program after CPJ was hired and I became a real aficionado of the offense. Loved that Jaybo had success there as well. Hell, my dad even played football for Russell at Grady High School, if you can believe it! I would have continued to pull for Southern had my school not started football.

The good thing about the Sun Belt is that once the game is over, we band together to support one another. This is rarely a function of other conferences and it's done because everyone being the best version of themselves is good for everyone.

Plus GSU isn't Coastal and GSU fans, in general, seem to be more informed of their general position within the landscape of the conference. Even as much as I dislike Coastal fans and their desire to put everyone down, it's still good that their program continues to win right now.

We should all hope that Southern gets back because ODU, GSU, App State, Marshall, and Coastal are all on the rise. IF we can get everyone in the East playing strong ball, it's going to be hard for the media to continue to ignore the Sun Belt as a competitor to the AAC and MWC.