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(10-26-2021 11:27 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  https://nypost.com/2021/10/25/liberty-un...t-reports/

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1452644157344862220

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I think they call that "Monday" at LU
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Lol. What a shithole. Give me Tartleton any day.
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It sounds like a Tarleton State is a safer addition than Liberty if you are a university president or even an AD.
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Yeah LU is a train wreck from a PR stand point. That’s coming from an alumni lol.
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If it's true then I say no to Liberty. They can keep their millions.
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(10-26-2021 08:14 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If it's true then I say no to Liberty. They can keep their millions.

The answer to Liberty should have always been no.
10-27-2021 08:02 AM
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I love Football far more than I should. But, I don't love it enough to ever recommend that we share a conference with Liberty. I've made my feelings and concerns about Jerry Falwell U known for years on this board. And, they have done nothing to change that opinion.
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I'd take liberty in a second, i hope they join the belt. Solid program.
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(10-27-2021 08:19 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  I love Football far more than I should. But, I don't love it enough to ever recommend that we share a conference with Liberty. I've made my feelings and concerns about Jerry Falwell U known for years on this board. And, they have done nothing to change that opinion.

They're a legitimate **** show and I would hope any conference that takes them in ends up mired in the inevitable controversy they will bring, CUSA included and MT if we supported their invite.
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Liberty is a cesspool and the answer to them should always be no. Gangster Capitalism did an entire season of podcasts on them.

https://shows.cadence13.com/podcast/gang...ef57f48968


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(10-27-2021 08:26 AM)lordoflutefisk Wrote:  Liberty is a cesspool and the answer to them should always be no. Gangster Capitalism did an entire season of podcasts on them.

https://shows.cadence13.com/podcast/gang...ef57f48968


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I think that is what C-USA's answer to them was. Why does everyone keep saying that Liberty said "NO" to C-USA? It's like shaking the fist after the fact.
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(10-27-2021 11:58 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 08:26 AM)lordoflutefisk Wrote:  Liberty is a cesspool and the answer to them should always be no. Gangster Capitalism did an entire season of podcasts on them.

https://shows.cadence13.com/podcast/gang...ef57f48968


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I think that is what C-USA's answer to them was. Why does everyone keep saying that Liberty said "NO" to C-USA? It's like shaking the fist after the fact.

In this country anyone can sue for any reason. filing a suit doesnt make something true. just sayin
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(10-27-2021 12:03 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 11:58 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 08:26 AM)lordoflutefisk Wrote:  Liberty is a cesspool and the answer to them should always be no. Gangster Capitalism did an entire season of podcasts on them.

https://shows.cadence13.com/podcast/gang...ef57f48968


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I think that is what C-USA's answer to them was. Why does everyone keep saying that Liberty said "NO" to C-USA? It's like shaking the fist after the fact.

In this country anyone can sue for any reason. filing a suit doesnt make something true. just sayin

Huh?
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(10-27-2021 08:19 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  I'd take liberty in a second, i hope they join the belt. Solid program.

Lol, why am I not surprised?
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(10-27-2021 12:03 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 11:58 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 08:26 AM)lordoflutefisk Wrote:  Liberty is a cesspool and the answer to them should always be no. Gangster Capitalism did an entire season of podcasts on them.

https://shows.cadence13.com/podcast/gang...ef57f48968


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I think that is what C-USA's answer to them was. Why does everyone keep saying that Liberty said "NO" to C-USA? It's like shaking the fist after the fact.

In this country anyone can sue for any reason. filing a suit doesnt make something true. just sayin

So they could report rapes, they were just making this stuff up? In today's day and age, that's the stance you are going to take?
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(10-27-2021 12:03 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 11:58 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(10-27-2021 08:26 AM)lordoflutefisk Wrote:  Liberty is a cesspool and the answer to them should always be no. Gangster Capitalism did an entire season of podcasts on them.

https://shows.cadence13.com/podcast/gang...ef57f48968


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I think that is what C-USA's answer to them was. Why does everyone keep saying that Liberty said "NO" to C-USA? It's like shaking the fist after the fact.

In this country anyone can sue for any reason. filing a suit doesnt make something true. just sayin

What an absolutely terrible take.
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(10-26-2021 11:27 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  https://nypost.com/2021/10/25/liberty-un...t-reports/

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1452644157344862220

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from their honor code: "Sexual relations outside of a biblically-ordained marriage between a natural-born man and a natural-born woman are not permissible at Liberty University. In personal relationships, students are encouraged to know and abide by common-sense guidelines to avoid the appearance of impropriety. Activities inconsistent with these standards and guidelines are violations of the Online Student Honor Code."

so being raped might put you at risk for an honor code violation but this isn't necessarily the case. the NY Post articles relay the concerns these women concerns if they report their assault they would be deemed to have violated the honor code and suffer the consequences thereof.

1. "One woman, who asked not to be identified, said that after she reported her alleged rape, she was instead fined $500 for drinking alcohol and was ordered into counseling." counseling is a good idea for rape victims, and if underaged, for drinking as well. i know many secular academic programs mandate reab for drugs before rematriculation.
2. "Several others went on the record with ProPublica, claiming they were warned that by reporting assaults, they faced punishment for supposed infractions, including premarital sex and even “being in any state of undress with a member of the opposite sex.”" warned by who the article doesn't state; warned by classmates wouldn't be the same as warned by Liberty.
3. "Another woman who tried to report an alleged assault, Diane Stargel, said she did not formally report it because she feared losing her scholarship.

“I feel like Liberty bullied me into silence after what happened to me,” Stargel told ProPublica. “I’ve always regretted that I never got my day in court.”" if the university bullied her with lost of the scholarship that would be wrong but her fear it might happen isn't the same, nor how she feel about it.
4. "Elizabeth Axley recalled being “really confused” when she was warned she could be punished if she went ahead and reported allegedly being raped in the fall of 2017, just three months after she started at Liberty.

“They were making it seem like I had done something wrong,” she told the outlet, saying advisers initially tried to persuade her to pray.

“I didn’t want to get fined or punished, but I wasn’t going to let this keep me from reporting my assault,” she said, insisting she “never considered not reporting what had happened to me.”" So it wasn't difficult nor impossible to report the incidence then? the article doesn't say what happened to her or what was the university response to her report of the sexual report. also i am curious as to why as a student voluntarily attending a religious institution she was taken aback by liberty recommendation to pray. as a non-religious person i have witnessed how quick the religious can be to pray: to give thanks when something good happens, for guidance when facing uncertainty, for solace when suffering. why was this even something to remarked about regarding Liberty. was this their only response?


it is a poorly written article that seems meant as a hit piece on liberty focused 100% on allegation rather than actual outcomes. Similar articles were published in 2016 about BYU when the big xii was considering expansion.

If Liberty was active in suppressing reporting of sexual assaults that is 100% wrong. not sure by this report that is the case.
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(10-27-2021 08:19 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  I'd take liberty in a second, i hope they join the belt. Solid program.

No surprise here. You would take Herpes and Syphilis as conference mates too!
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(10-27-2021 01:01 PM)Huan Wrote:  
(10-26-2021 11:27 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  https://nypost.com/2021/10/25/liberty-un...t-reports/

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1452644157344862220

Pardon me if this has already been posted

from their honor code: "Sexual relations outside of a biblically-ordained marriage between a natural-born man and a natural-born woman are not permissible at Liberty University. In personal relationships, students are encouraged to know and abide by common-sense guidelines to avoid the appearance of impropriety. Activities inconsistent with these standards and guidelines are violations of the Online Student Honor Code."

so being raped might put you at risk for an honor code violation but this isn't necessarily the case. the NY Post articles relay the concerns these women concerns if they report their assault they would be deemed to have violated the honor code and suffer the consequences thereof.

1. "One woman, who asked not to be identified, said that after she reported her alleged rape, she was instead fined $500 for drinking alcohol and was ordered into counseling." counseling is a good idea for rape victims, and if underaged, for drinking as well. i know many secular academic programs mandate reab for drugs before rematriculation.
2. "Several others went on the record with ProPublica, claiming they were warned that by reporting assaults, they faced punishment for supposed infractions, including premarital sex and even “being in any state of undress with a member of the opposite sex.”" warned by who the article doesn't state; warned by classmates wouldn't be the same as warned by Liberty.
3. "Another woman who tried to report an alleged assault, Diane Stargel, said she did not formally report it because she feared losing her scholarship.

“I feel like Liberty bullied me into silence after what happened to me,” Stargel told ProPublica. “I’ve always regretted that I never got my day in court.”" if the university bullied her with lost of the scholarship that would be wrong but her fear it might happen isn't the same, nor how she feel about it.
4. "Elizabeth Axley recalled being “really confused” when she was warned she could be punished if she went ahead and reported allegedly being raped in the fall of 2017, just three months after she started at Liberty.

“They were making it seem like I had done something wrong,” she told the outlet, saying advisers initially tried to persuade her to pray.

“I didn’t want to get fined or punished, but I wasn’t going to let this keep me from reporting my assault,” she said, insisting she “never considered not reporting what had happened to me.”" So it wasn't difficult nor impossible to report the incidence then? the article doesn't say what happened to her or what was the university response to her report of the sexual report. also i am curious as to why as a student voluntarily attending a religious institution she was taken aback by liberty recommendation to pray. as a non-religious person i have witnessed how quick the religious can be to pray: to give thanks when something good happens, for guidance when facing uncertainty, for solace when suffering. why was this even something to remarked about regarding Liberty. was this their only response?


it is a poorly written article that seems meant as a hit piece on liberty focused 100% on allegation rather than actual outcomes. Similar articles were published in 2016 about BYU when the big xii was considering expansion.

If Liberty was active in suppressing reporting of sexual assaults that is 100% wrong. not sure by this report that is the case.

Look who they hired as their AD nothing more needs to be said
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