(10-25-2021 08:59 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Actually, technically, we did get royally screwed.

You have to remember, the only way you can get a BCS ranking is if you have a top 25 vote, Marshall had those, Rice did not.

So technically, Rice had no BCS ranking. Marshall did

I gotta disagree on that part. As the BCS only ranked 25, you either had a ranking or you didn’t, and neither team did. There were no BCS honorable mentions or ORVs.

That said, the poll votes were the obvious common sense tie-breaker and what should have been the contingency of record. But again, CUSA gonna CUSA.

(10-25-2021 09:01 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I may not remember much, but I am very clear about how this all went down.

It's crazy.

Much like when everything seems like it’s happening in slow motion during a car crash.

(10-25-2021 08:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 08:12 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://www.lubbockonline.com/article/20.../305049803

Quote:“We are excited about adding these new members as part of our bold strategy that focuses on growing institutions in large media markets,” Banowsky said. “There is a tremendous upside here. This is an opportunity for us to add a mixture of established and emerging programs. We also remain committed to divisional scheduling models that are student-athlete and fan-friendly. The more we analyzed it, the more it made sense.”

Everything happening now was set in motion after this. That doesn't mean Judy isn't a bad commissioner (I'd like to hear herdfan's story), but she was made the captain of a sinking ship.

Bankowsky's quote is where the "Marketz!" saying came from in the SBC. It told you everything you needed to know about CUSA expansion that year that the press release highlighted the combined population of each new members metropolitan area.

The AAC did the exact same thing as CUSA. The AAC went 100% markets and SBC focusing on the best programs. I wonder how the SBC and the AAC will measure up in football in 5 years. Though this whole thing may be what ESPN was hoping for: markets for AAC and football focused programs in the SBC and a struggling CUSA.

I think CUSA will take a while to get back on their feet so maybe give them a few years longer to get going.

The five teams left will.l have the best story. For the second straight time e she took a really short TV deal so she could renegotiate it and get us a better deal. The issue? It ends after next year. The teams left literally have no contract to get negotiated down. They have nothing.

(10-25-2021 09:21 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The five teams left will.l have the best story. For the second straight time e she took a really short TV deal so she could renegotiate it and get us a better deal. The issue? It ends after next year. The teams left literally have no contract to get negotiated down. They have nothing.

Yep, it takes a special kind of stupid to bet on the short term during a time of volatility.

My favorite business decision, though, was providing games to the NFL Network for nothing. And by that, I mean literally nothing. We gave them away for free.

(10-25-2021 09:30 PM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

Ya know, I’ve seen this pic 1,000 times and just now noticed her little friend standing on top of the windshield.

You’re all welcome for never being able to unsee it now.

(10-25-2021 09:11 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 08:59 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Actually, technically, we did get royally screwed.

You have to remember, the only way you can get a BCS ranking is if you have a top 25 vote, Marshall had those, Rice did not.

So technically, Rice had no BCS ranking. Marshall did

I gotta disagree on that part. As the BCS only ranked 25, you either had a ranking or you didn’t, and neither team did. There were no BCS honorable mentions or ORVs.

That said, the poll votes were the obvious common sense tie-breaker and what should have been the contingency of record. But again, CUSA gonna CUSA.

Actually, no. If you received a vote under the BCS formula, you receive a mathematical ranking, regardless of the top 25 status or not. It only took one voter out of 105 to give you a BCS ranking under that formula. Which Marshall had.

From what I remember, their were roughly 35 teams or so that in that final week had a BCS ranking, exact number not sure, but I know Marshall was in that group

https://bcsknowhow.wordpress.com/bcs-formula/

"If all 105 voters decided to vote one team first, the team would be awarded 105 times 25 points, or 2875 Harris Poll Points. Therefore, a perfect score in the eyes of the Harris Poll voters is a 2625. The BCS takes the votes received by a team and divides that number by the perfect score (2625) for a decimal value of 1.000 or less."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/ra...asontype/2

Marshall entered championship week with 13 votes in the coaches poll, ranking #30....

(10-25-2021 09:41 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Actually, no. If you received a vote under the BCS formula, you receive a mathematical ranking, regardless of the top 25 status or not. It only took one voter out of 105 to give you a BCS ranking under that formula. Which Marshall had.

From what I remember, their were roughly 35 teams or so that in that final week had a BCS ranking, exact number not sure, but I know Marshall was in that group

https://bcsknowhow.wordpress.com/bcs-formula/

"If all 105 voters decided to vote one team first, the team would be awarded 105 times 25 points, or 2875 Harris Poll Points. Therefore, a perfect score in the eyes of the Harris Poll voters is a 2625. The BCS takes the votes received by a team and divides that number by the perfect score (2625) for a decimal value of 1.000 or less."

Well, what you have there is a score, not a ranking. Which 100% should serve the same purpose, but it was enough of loophole to allow the crew to not have to leave the state of Texas because reasons.

To anyone with any sense, the next stop beyond “highest ranked” should be to extend the formula being applied to create said ranking. But again, few have ever accused the CUSA brain trust of having sense.

(10-25-2021 09:57 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:41 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Actually, no. If you received a vote under the BCS formula, you receive a mathematical ranking, regardless of the top 25 status or not. It only took one voter out of 105 to give you a BCS ranking under that formula. Which Marshall had.

From what I remember, their were roughly 35 teams or so that in that final week had a BCS ranking, exact number not sure, but I know Marshall was in that group

https://bcsknowhow.wordpress.com/bcs-formula/

"If all 105 voters decided to vote one team first, the team would be awarded 105 times 25 points, or 2875 Harris Poll Points. Therefore, a perfect score in the eyes of the Harris Poll voters is a 2625. The BCS takes the votes received by a team and divides that number by the perfect score (2625) for a decimal value of 1.000 or less."

Well, what you have there is a score, not a ranking. Which 100% should serve the same purpose, but it was enough of loophole to allow the crew to not have to leave the state of Texas because reasons.

To anyone with any sense, the next stop beyond “highest ranked” should be to extend the formula being applied to create said ranking. But again, few have ever accused the CUSA brain trust of having sense.

Yeah man, it's all good

Just goes to show though how screwed up the leadership was/is.

She accepted a tv deal that was worth like 1/30th the AAC. I don't care how bad we are perceived we didn't have 1/30th the viewership. Everyone else's deal went up. Ours was the only conference to get less money.

She also tried to the same thing to Marshall to us one year. It didn't matter because we didn't win our final game, but if we had we would have lost out the championship game due to a last minute rule change. I can't remember the other team, but I wonder if it was some team in Texas...

She is just so incredibly incompetent. I am so glad we are out of that conference away from her.

Oh and one more. A couple of years ago Conference USA lost the contract to the Battle for Atlantis. Always had a bunch of really good schools in it and we were an auto bid. Never said what we got in return for us voluntarily getting off of it, but I know whatever it was it wasn't good enough. Contracts that force the big boys to play on neutral ground with you is worth almost any price.

(10-25-2021 10:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  She also tried to the same thing to Marshall to us one year. It didn't matter because we didn't win our final game, but if we had we would have lost out the championship game due to a last minute rule change. I can't remember the other team, but I wonder if it was some team in Texas...

That was 2019. But it wasn’t in favor of a Texas team… It was just an anyone but USM team. Had USM won their last game it would have been a three way tie between UAB, La Tech, and USM. If I remember right they announced that they were going to use the average of some computer rankings to determine the division winner if all three won that weekend because it would still be a tie after all of the written rules. The computers they initially listed would have had USM in the championship but they changed the list of computers to use at the end of the week. The new computers didn’t have USM in the lead.

(10-25-2021 10:51 PM)Dorrej Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 10:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  She also tried to the same thing to Marshall to us one year. It didn't matter because we didn't win our final game, but if we had we would have lost out the championship game due to a last minute rule change. I can't remember the other team, but I wonder if it was some team in Texas...

That was 2019. But it wasn’t in favor of a Texas team… It was just an anyone but USM team. Had USM won their last game it would have been a three way tie between UAB, La Tech, and USM. If I remember right they announced that they were going to use the average of some computer rankings to determine the division winner if all three won that weekend because it would still be a tie after all of the written rules. The computers they initially listed would have had USM in the championship but they changed the list of computers to use at the end of the week. The new computers didn’t have USM in the lead.

Ah yes thank you. I was struggling hard to remember the circumstances.

(10-25-2021 11:19 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 10:51 PM)Dorrej Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 10:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  She also tried to the same thing to Marshall to us one year. It didn't matter because we didn't win our final game, but if we had we would have lost out the championship game due to a last minute rule change. I can't remember the other team, but I wonder if it was some team in Texas...

That was 2019. But it wasn’t in favor of a Texas team… It was just an anyone but USM team. Had USM won their last game it would have been a three way tie between UAB, La Tech, and USM. If I remember right they announced that they were going to use the average of some computer rankings to determine the division winner if all three won that weekend because it would still be a tie after all of the written rules. The computers they initially listed would have had USM in the championship but they changed the list of computers to use at the end of the week. The new computers didn’t have USM in the lead.

Ah yes thank you. I was struggling hard to remember the circumstances.

Jay Hopson came to her rescue.

Sounds like "here is the result I want, now work the math until we get it"

Shows the lack of pressure and leadership Judy McLeod and CUSA put on them and others for all these years

And I saw she makes $550k a year. To take conference down, down, down. Even after only a handful of schools are left, they have still not voted her out either. The blackmail she must have!

Judy "if you aint in Texas, you dont matter" McLeod. Just look at who she's trying to bring into CUSA now. She's the worst, at least professionally. I obviously dont know her personally, she may be a great lady, but a horrible commish. One of the best things about moving is leaving her behind.