(10-24-2021 02:28 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Ohhhh YAWN! Same ol' excuses spewing from the same poop-filled halitosified mouths. Stinks to high heaven. Promise you, Tarleton doesn't give two squats about handing nmsu a thorough beatdown. As fun as it is to point out we're *officially* 1-0 against FBS opponents, it was just a practice for us, or at least ended up that way. You are aware that our 2nd string came in mid-1st quarter and finished out? That's right, our QB2 came in and ran all over your 1st team defense like he was high-stepping a Pop Warner squad. We knew you guys sucked at Football, but man, we had no idea just how bad it is. You had a chance to at least earn some respect as the league's only FBS conference mate and you choked. Tarleton and nmsu line up 10 times, Tarleton walks away 10-0. #Facts. Better check yourself on the Basketball front as well, this ain't same WAC it was a year ago. No excuses this year, chumps.

Holy cow, are you really thumping your chest about beating the worst FBS program in the country, in a spring game, at a neutral site, during a pandemic, when their entire roster left due to the inability to play, well over a year since their previous game? You're on a different level of special.

I applaud Tarleton for their rapid fire success and their desire to move up to FBS ASAP, but if this is a sample of what their fanbase is like...it's going to be really special.

(10-24-2021 03:10 PM)riburn3 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 02:28 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Ohhhh YAWN! Same ol' excuses spewing from the same poop-filled halitosified mouths. Stinks to high heaven. Promise you, Tarleton doesn't give two squats about handing nmsu a thorough beatdown. As fun as it is to point out we're *officially* 1-0 against FBS opponents, it was just a practice for us, or at least ended up that way. You are aware that our 2nd string came in mid-1st quarter and finished out? That's right, our QB2 came in and ran all over your 1st team defense like he was high-stepping a Pop Warner squad. We knew you guys sucked at Football, but man, we had no idea just how bad it is. You had a chance to at least earn some respect as the league's only FBS conference mate and you choked. Tarleton and nmsu line up 10 times, Tarleton walks away 10-0. #Facts. Better check yourself on the Basketball front as well, this ain't same WAC it was a year ago. No excuses this year, chumps.

Holy cow, are you really thumping your chest about beating the worst FBS program in the country, in a spring game, at a neutral site, during a pandemic, when their entire roster left due to the inability to play, well over a year since their previous game? You're on a different level of special.

I applaud Tarleton for their rapid fire success and their desire to move up to FBS ASAP, but if this is a sample of what their fanbase is like...it's going to be really special.

You know what, it's high time you jokers started your own excuse thread..#NMS'cuse. What is gonna be this year when you get your butts handed to in basketball?! I've seriously never seen such a bunch of sore losers in all my life.

(10-24-2021 09:51 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 09:38 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 11:41 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 11:25 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  Please don’t judge Tarleton one the basis of one poster or perhaps three.

LOL...Won't happen. If I judged every fanbase, including our own, based on posts from just one or two fans, I'd have a pretty depressing view of all college fanbases. I've been around long enough to know that most every fanbase is extremely diverse...lots of great folks to chat and banter with and a random knucklehead here and there....well except University of Kentucky fans, they're all toothless idiots.

I’m guessing you don’t know based on your never hearing of us, but our starting QB transferred from Western Kentucky, Steven Duncan. So thanks.

Actually, I had read that about Duncan somewhere in the last day or so. Hope he's working out ok for you guys.

You can have him back! Please?? Duncan seems like a nice enough guy, but man he cannot, WILL NOT pull the trigger on an open receiver unless he is on an island all by himself. Our play by play guy for WAC ESPN is a former Tarleton/NFL QB and you can tell he wants to pull his hair out watching Duncan take all those sacks for no reason. Our QB2 (Oregon transfer) is actually better built for our flavor of RPO offense, and after what we witnessed last night, I sure hope he gets his shot against Sam next week. Otherwise, could be a loooong night!

(10-24-2021 03:22 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  You know what, it's high time you jokers started your own excuse thread..#NMS'cuse. What is gonna be this year when you get your butts handed to in basketball?! I've seriously never seen such a bunch of sore losers in all my life.

LOL. You're on another level.

New Mexico State administrators were supposed to meet last night or today? Discussion was supposed to be about CUSA. Did that happen?

Heard it's been 60 years since the Border Conference when UTEP and New Mexico State were together in the same conference. I think it's probably time.

(10-24-2021 06:37 PM)All4One Wrote:  New Mexico State administrators were supposed to meet last night or today? Discussion was supposed to be about CUSA. Did that happen?

Heard it's been 60 years since the Border Conference when UTEP and New Mexico State were together in the same conference. I think it's probably time.

Supposedly happening right now.

(10-24-2021 06:37 PM)All4One Wrote:  New Mexico State administrators were supposed to meet last night or today? Discussion was supposed to be about CUSA. Did that happen?

Heard it's been 60 years since the Border Conference when UTEP and New Mexico State were together in the same conference. I think it's probably time.

UTEP has done everything possible to not be in the same conference as NMSU. When NMSU joined the WAC in 2005, it was thought that we would finally be in the same conference but UTEP got an offer to join CUSA along with a number of other Texas schools and they jumped conferences (just in time) as NMSU was entering the WAC. In 2011 when the WAC fell apart, it looked like a good move for UTEP. However, since UTEP's run in CUSA, that conference has been deteriorating in strength. Most of the marquee CUSA schools are now in the AAC; and the conference has become a 14-member one-bid conference in basketball; much like the WAC.

If NMSU makes the move to CUSA, our Administrators better do their due diligence to make sure NMSU is not stepping into another WAC (circa 2005) situation. Imagine where NMSU would be now if they had stayed put in the Sun Belt instead of NMSU taking the WAC's offer? Our Olympic sports are finally stable and building rivalries in the WAC; going to a potentially collapsing CUSA could send the whole Athletic Department reeling. For years, NMSU has made their conference decisions based on finding a FBS football home; and NMSU has left some good basketball conferences in this pursuit. I like what the WAC has become and its future. I would hate to leave a potentially good thing for another football pipedream. I don't trust the eastern flank of CUSA. Those schools would leave CUSA at the first opportunity.

(10-24-2021 06:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 06:37 PM)All4One Wrote:  New Mexico State administrators were supposed to meet last night or today? Discussion was supposed to be about CUSA. Did that happen?

Heard it's been 60 years since the Border Conference when UTEP and New Mexico State were together in the same conference. I think it's probably time.

UTEP has done everything possible to not be in the same conference as NMSU. When NMSU joined the WAC in 2005, it was thought that we would finally be in the same conference but UTEP got an offer to join CUSA along with a number of other Texas schools and they jumped conferences (just in time) as NMSU was entering the WAC. In 2011 when the WAC fell apart, it looked like a good move for UTEP. However, since UTEP's run in CUSA, that conference has been deteriorating in strength. Most of the marquee CUSA schools are now in the AAC; and the conference has become a 14-member one-bid conference in basketball; much like the WAC.

If NMSU makes the move to CUSA, our Administrators better do their due diligence to make sure NMSU is not stepping into another WAC (circa 2005) situation. Imagine where NMSU would be now if they had stayed put in the Sun Belt instead of NMSU taking the WAC's offer? Our Olympic sports are finally stable and building rivalries in the WAC; going to a potentially collapsing CUSA could send the whole Athletic Department reeling. For years, NMSU has made their conference decisions based on finding a FBS football home; and NMSU has left some of good basketball conferences in this pursuit. I like what the WAC has become and its future. I would hate to leave a potentially good thing for another football pipedream. I don't trust the eastern flank of CUSA. Those schools would leave CUSA at the first opportunity.

Agree with virtually ball of this. Well stated. I look at one thing in regards to any conference move--does this solve our football conference situation or not. If not, stay put and spend more time with the rivalries we have and fairly stable set of members. CUSA is the ultimate house of cards. Whatever it might do for football, it would be worse in almost every other way and unlikely of to last very long.

(10-24-2021 06:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 06:37 PM)All4One Wrote:  New Mexico State administrators were supposed to meet last night or today? Discussion was supposed to be about CUSA. Did that happen?

Heard it's been 60 years since the Border Conference when UTEP and New Mexico State were together in the same conference. I think it's probably time.

UTEP has done everything possible to not be in the same conference as NMSU. When NMSU joined the WAC in 2005, it was thought that we would finally be in the same conference but UTEP got an offer to join CUSA along with a number of other Texas schools and they jumped conferences (just in time) as NMSU was entering the WAC. In 2011 when the WAC fell apart, it looked like a good move for UTEP. However, since UTEP's run in CUSA, that conference has been deteriorating in strength. Most of the marquee CUSA schools are now in the AAC; and the conference has become a 14-member one-bid conference in basketball; much like the WAC.

If NMSU makes the move to CUSA, our Administrators better do their due diligence to make sure NMSU is not stepping into another WAC (circa 2005) situation. Imagine where NMSU would be now if they had stayed put in the Sun Belt instead of NMSU taking the WAC's offer? Our Olympic sports are finally stable and building rivalries in the WAC; going to a potentially collapsing CUSA could send the whole Athletic Department reeling. For years, NMSU has made their conference decisions based on finding a FBS football home; and NMSU has left some of good basketball conferences in this pursuit. I like what the WAC has become and its future. I would hate to leave a potentially good thing for another football pipedream. I don't trust the eastern flank of CUSA. Those schools would leave CUSA at the first opportunity.

Exactly!! Well said Pistol. It is foolhardy for any university to be FBS (i.e., football) centric. Football is very popular at the moment but it's popularity is declining for several reasons:
(1) the demographics of the US is changing,
(2) parents are waking up to the dangers of football thus not allowing their boys to play youth football,
(3) unless you are in a power 5 conference, college administrators (thanks to Title IX) are recognizing the unsustainability of football long term due to reasons #1 & #2 above.
NMSU is the big fish in an ever expanding WAC pond. Why go to CUSA where they may still be the big fish (in basketball anyway), but the pond is shrinking. The only reason to move would be for football and that is a losing bet in my opinion. NMSU should just cut the cord and drop football altogether. Come and join the growing men's soccer ranks where real football is played.

(10-24-2021 07:20 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 06:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 06:37 PM)All4One Wrote:  New Mexico State administrators were supposed to meet last night or today? Discussion was supposed to be about CUSA. Did that happen?

Heard it's been 60 years since the Border Conference when UTEP and New Mexico State were together in the same conference. I think it's probably time.

UTEP has done everything possible to not be in the same conference as NMSU. When NMSU joined the WAC in 2005, it was thought that we would finally be in the same conference but UTEP got an offer to join CUSA along with a number of other Texas schools and they jumped conferences (just in time) as NMSU was entering the WAC. In 2011 when the WAC fell apart, it looked like a good move for UTEP. However, since UTEP's run in CUSA, that conference has been deteriorating in strength. Most of the marquee CUSA schools are now in the AAC; and the conference has become a 14-member one-bid conference in basketball; much like the WAC.

If NMSU makes the move to CUSA, our Administrators better do their due diligence to make sure NMSU is not stepping into another WAC (circa 2005) situation. Imagine where NMSU would be now if they had stayed put in the Sun Belt instead of NMSU taking the WAC's offer? Our Olympic sports are finally stable and building rivalries in the WAC; going to a potentially collapsing CUSA could send the whole Athletic Department reeling. For years, NMSU has made their conference decisions based on finding a FBS football home; and NMSU has left some of good basketball conferences in this pursuit. I like what the WAC has become and its future. I would hate to leave a potentially good thing for another football pipedream. I don't trust the eastern flank of CUSA. Those schools would leave CUSA at the first opportunity.

Agree with virtually ball of this. Well stated. I look at one thing in regards to any conference move--does this solve our football conference situation or not. If not, stay put and spend more time with the rivalries we have and fairly stable set of members. CUSA is the ultimate house of cards. Whatever it might do for football, it would be worse in almost every other way and unlikely of to last very long.

Yeah, I can understand that. And you have to figure both the Pac-12 and Big XII will expand again eventually since 16 is the new 12 for Power 5 Conferences, which would likely result in a ripping asunder of the Mountain West and opening up spots there where UTEP and probably New Mexico State would likely be targets anyways. I kind of wished the Pac-12 would've expanded, so we could've gotten it all over with already and know where we all stand.

(10-24-2021 07:51 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 06:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 06:37 PM)All4One Wrote:  New Mexico State administrators were supposed to meet last night or today? Discussion was supposed to be about CUSA. Did that happen?

Heard it's been 60 years since the Border Conference when UTEP and New Mexico State were together in the same conference. I think it's probably time.

UTEP has done everything possible to not be in the same conference as NMSU. When NMSU joined the WAC in 2005, it was thought that we would finally be in the same conference but UTEP got an offer to join CUSA along with a number of other Texas schools and they jumped conferences (just in time) as NMSU was entering the WAC. In 2011 when the WAC fell apart, it looked like a good move for UTEP. However, since UTEP's run in CUSA, that conference has been deteriorating in strength. Most of the marquee CUSA schools are now in the AAC; and the conference has become a 14-member one-bid conference in basketball; much like the WAC.

If NMSU makes the move to CUSA, our Administrators better do their due diligence to make sure NMSU is not stepping into another WAC (circa 2005) situation. Imagine where NMSU would be now if they had stayed put in the Sun Belt instead of NMSU taking the WAC's offer? Our Olympic sports are finally stable and building rivalries in the WAC; going to a potentially collapsing CUSA could send the whole Athletic Department reeling. For years, NMSU has made their conference decisions based on finding a FBS football home; and NMSU has left some of good basketball conferences in this pursuit. I like what the WAC has become and its future. I would hate to leave a potentially good thing for another football pipedream. I don't trust the eastern flank of CUSA. Those schools would leave CUSA at the first opportunity.

Exactly!! Well said Pistol. It is foolhardy for any university to be FBS (i.e., football) centric. Football is very popular at the moment but it's popularity is declining for several reasons:
(1) the demographics of the US is changing,
(2) parents are waking up to the dangers of football thus not allowing their boys to play youth football,
(3) unless you are in a power 5 conference, college administrators (thanks to Title IX) are recognizing the unsustainability of football long term due to reasons #1 & #2 above.
NMSU is the big fish in an ever expanding WAC pond. Why go to CUSA where they may still be the big fish (in basketball anyway), but the pond is shrinking. The only reason to move would be for football and that is a losing bet in my opinion. NMSU should just cut the cord and drop football altogether. Come and join the growing men's soccer ranks where real football is played.

That won't happen but I think NMSU has proven they could survive as an independent for the time being. I think they could wait for the rest of the football playing WAC schools to become FBS level programs if they set a time frame for this to happen; assuring NMSU will not be dangling as an FBS independent for 10 or more years. If their is no real FBS commitment by the new WAC schools with a road map to get it done, they might make NMSU's decision to leave for CUSA (I hope not). I would actually like the WAC to make an effort to convince UTEP and Louisiana Tech join this conference; they could play as independent as the rest of the WAC grows football wise.

(10-24-2021 08:11 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 07:51 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 06:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 06:37 PM)All4One Wrote:  New Mexico State administrators were supposed to meet last night or today? Discussion was supposed to be about CUSA. Did that happen?

Heard it's been 60 years since the Border Conference when UTEP and New Mexico State were together in the same conference. I think it's probably time.

UTEP has done everything possible to not be in the same conference as NMSU. When NMSU joined the WAC in 2005, it was thought that we would finally be in the same conference but UTEP got an offer to join CUSA along with a number of other Texas schools and they jumped conferences (just in time) as NMSU was entering the WAC. In 2011 when the WAC fell apart, it looked like a good move for UTEP. However, since UTEP's run in CUSA, that conference has been deteriorating in strength. Most of the marquee CUSA schools are now in the AAC; and the conference has become a 14-member one-bid conference in basketball; much like the WAC.

If NMSU makes the move to CUSA, our Administrators better do their due diligence to make sure NMSU is not stepping into another WAC (circa 2005) situation. Imagine where NMSU would be now if they had stayed put in the Sun Belt instead of NMSU taking the WAC's offer? Our Olympic sports are finally stable and building rivalries in the WAC; going to a potentially collapsing CUSA could send the whole Athletic Department reeling. For years, NMSU has made their conference decisions based on finding a FBS football home; and NMSU has left some of good basketball conferences in this pursuit. I like what the WAC has become and its future. I would hate to leave a potentially good thing for another football pipedream. I don't trust the eastern flank of CUSA. Those schools would leave CUSA at the first opportunity.

Exactly!! Well said Pistol. It is foolhardy for any university to be FBS (i.e., football) centric. Football is very popular at the moment but it's popularity is declining for several reasons:
(1) the demographics of the US is changing,
(2) parents are waking up to the dangers of football thus not allowing their boys to play youth football,
(3) unless you are in a power 5 conference, college administrators (thanks to Title IX) are recognizing the unsustainability of football long term due to reasons #1 & #2 above.
NMSU is the big fish in an ever expanding WAC pond. Why go to CUSA where they may still be the big fish (in basketball anyway), but the pond is shrinking. The only reason to move would be for football and that is a losing bet in my opinion. NMSU should just cut the cord and drop football altogether. Come and join the growing men's soccer ranks where real football is played.

That won't happen but I think NMSU has proven they could survive as an independent for the time being. I think they could wait for the rest of the football playing WAC schools to become FBS level programs if they set a time frame for this to happen; assuring NMSU will not be dangling as an FBS independent for 10 or more years. If their is no real FBS commitment by the new WAC schools with a road map to get it done, they might make NMSU's decision to leave for CUSA (I hope not). I would actually like the WAC to make an effort to convince UTEP and Louisiana Tech join this conference; they could play as independent as the rest of the WAC grows football wise.

Well spoken. Hence the idea of crossing an ice pond in late spring. Is it solid enough to hold you? I definitely believe if 2027 is a target date for the FCS teams to make the move I’m all in.

Geographically C-USA could be the new WAC when it reforms. I’m sure a lot of people around these parts no a thing or two about that.

NMSU should choose wisely. If they say No to C-USA then they will target another WAC Texas school such as SFA, Lamar or ACU. Tarleton and SHSU will most likely say yes with or without NMSU. Without Tarleton and SHSU, the WAC's hope of going FBS will seriously diminish. SFA and McNeese might also jump as well. I honestly can not see NMSU turning this down. As hard as they have tried to get into a conference (Football) this might be their one and only opportunity. As seldom as opportunities are for NMSU, you would be foolish to waste it.

I have no interest in what NMSU does, just stating my opinion, you have a problem with that little man?

(10-25-2021 02:25 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  NMSU should choose wisely. If they say No to C-USA then they will target another WAC Texas school such as SFA, Lamar or ACU. Tarleton and SHSU will most likely say yes with or without NMSU. Without Tarleton and SHSU, the WAC's hope of going FBS will seriously diminish. SFA and McNeese might also jump as well. I honestly can not see NMSU turning this down. As hard as they have tried to get into a conference (Football) this might be their one and only opportunity. As seldom as opportunities are for NMSU, you would be foolish to waste it.

I agree with this, which is the rock and hard place that NMSU (and quite frankly, any other school invited to CUSA) finds themselves between. We need stability and revenue for the football program. While we’ve been independent, it has been the football team that has funded a lot of our other programs (not uncommon, but maybe more so that others) by playing so called body bag games. With the right investment in the program, the football team can be a productive member of a conference. If just one of the body bag games could be replaced with conference distribution, we would have one more winnable game, or if we were to choose to play a second P5, maybe all the proceeds of that game could be redirected solely to the football program alone.

I feel like there are a lot of benefits to being a part of a conference that even in the short term, could help our program out a ton.

GO AGGIES!!!

If I'm NMSU I approach CUSA very cautiously

If the Big 12 expands again, after a Boise to Big 12 move, UTEP is the most viable option.

To me, going to CUSA leaves NMSU incredibly vulnerable to being the unwanted western outpost.

The WAC that has been built had NMSU in the center

(10-25-2021 07:17 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If I'm NMSU I approach CUSA very cautiously

If the Big 12 expands again, after a Boise to Big 12 move, UTEP is the most viable option.

To me, going to CUSA leaves NMSU incredibly vulnerable to being the unwanted western outpost.

The WAC that has been built had NMSU in the center

Wait, what? Are you saying UTEP is the most viable option for the Big 12 after Boise?

(10-25-2021 07:17 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If I'm NMSU I approach CUSA very cautiously

If the Big 12 expands again, after a Boise to Big 12 move, UTEP is the most viable option.

To me, going to CUSA leaves NMSU incredibly vulnerable to being the unwanted western outpost.

The WAC that has been built had NMSU in the center

I agree. One Big 12 move could turn our potential CUSA home into a lonely and isolated place where one major reason we joined is gone.

(10-25-2021 07:49 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 07:17 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If I'm NMSU I approach CUSA very cautiously

If the Big 12 expands again, after a Boise to Big 12 move, UTEP is the most viable option.

To me, going to CUSA leaves NMSU incredibly vulnerable to being the unwanted western outpost.

The WAC that has been built had NMSU in the center

Wait, what? Are you saying UTEP is the most viable option for the Big 12 after Boise?

No, he is saying if Boise State moves to the Big 12 or AAC (via another school moving to the Big 12) in the future, the trickle down effect could see UTEP joining the Mountain West, leaving CUSA decimated for NMSU and looking for a home again. NMSU would be in no man's land; an outpost in CUSA. Right now, in the new WAC, NMSU is in the center of a growing conference. In any other conference, NMSU is on the fringe. NMSU's one big mistake was leaving a growing Sun Belt for an unstable WAC. This potential move to CUSA could be a very similar situation. Short term gain with long term pain. Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida are a long ways from New Mexico for NMSU to depend on them to stay in a teetering conference. If Sam Houston State, Tarleton stay put in the WAC, I think the WAC could build into a very viable "stable" FBS conference for the future; with all schools residing in just three Southwestern States... Texas, New Mexico, and Utah.