(10-21-2021 09:56 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 08:50 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  People are looking at things in an unbiased way at all anymore...

I'm guessing you mean "aren't."

Often times people don't look at things as right and wrong, they just want to determine if they are right or left.

Quote:Many have a side and only listen to info that supports their side. Even some of your posts in this thread exhibit that behavior.

The nature of my comments have been responses, so to say my comments have exhibited bias without my getting my full thoughts on the issue rather than debunking the comments of others would make it difficult for you to claim my comments are based on info from "a side."

News sources shouldn't have "a side." It's just news; information. The news shouldn't be geared to the ideology tilt of a potential audience. Then it goes from being news to propaganda.

Quote:Floyd likely knew he was passing a counterfit bill...Likely was High...I don't think there is much argument there.

If someone uses these to "justify" police behavior, it is the inherent problem with people who always think the police were doing what they had to do when excessive force and/or negligence happens during police encounters.

Quote:The issue is none of that matters...I don't understand why any of it is brought up...

This.

I understand why it's brought up though. It's to dehumanize the victim. Always. Give them something that makes them more at fault.

Quote:There is video of what happened...It doesn't matter what he did years ago or hours ago...The cop killed him.

I take issue with you mentioning my "bias" in my posts. My original response had video from two different sources that should Floyd's initial encounters with police. It wasn't some opinion I was making; it was literally watching the tape for the first time in a long time.

Quote:And the thing that people who don't understand why Floyd was essentially being made martyr is that it wasn't because of who he was...It is because most knew how this has been handled in the past when there was no video and this was finally a moment they felt the could win.

I was with you until that last line. It's not a win. People supported OJ for a "win." This situation was cut and dry, and it was simply torture. It was quite heinous to have multiple police officers standing by doing nothing, and the police officer with his knee on Floyd's neck being so nonchalant about it. There was no rhyme or reason for him to do that. So Floyd became a "symbol" more than a martyr of police brutality, a lack of police accountability, and police having no empathy for the people they are supposed to protect.

I remember when I first saw the video a day after it happened before it blew up and how I felt. It was one of the most incredible acts of malice ever. The most shocking video had been the murder of Tamir Rice because of how quickly it happened before the child could "comply." This one was so terrible because of how slow it was. Me thinking, if I was there, I don't care if I was arrested or possibly physically harmed, I'd jump on that cop to get him off that man before he killed him. That's why this one meant so much. Plus it was just a breaking point.

Trying to refute the fact that he knew he was passing a counterfeit bill...I think that is fairly clear that he did that sh1t.

But again as I stated...Nothing he did prior to being subdued mattered in the slightest.

And as far as the WIN statement...It was a case where there was very little doubt that the cop was wrong...There have been many videos that have inexplicably gone the other way...The bolded statement essentially was what I essentially trying to convey that they could hold an officer accountable.

(10-21-2021 12:07 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  I'm not STAMMERS --but ask the people whose home he invaded and held a gun to their heads if they think he is -----I bet you don't want the answer

I have a female loved one who was the victim of a home invasion. The guys who broke into her apartment thought the previous tenant still lived there. Apparently the previous tenant was a drug dealer. They put guns to her head and she thought she was going to die. I'm grateful they didn't rape her. She was not able to live alone for several years in the aftermath because of the emotional and mental distress of this incident.

One of the guys left something behind which allowed police to pinpoint them. They were teenaged minors. She went to court and told me how story she felt about one of the mothers of the kids that did it.

Regardless of what criminal acts these children committed, they were still human.

In 2007, George Floyd was with five guys and they did a home invasion robbery. He put the gun to the woman's abdomen, but she was not pregnant. Floyd plead guilty and was sentenced to five years for robbery. Floyd's life was going nowhere and he met a mentor who convinced him to move to Minneapolis to get off drugs and straighten his life out.

Regardless of his mistakes, George Floyd was a human.

How can people like you ever expect people who make mistakes be rehabilitated if you never actually will ever give them a chance to do just that because you think they are beneath a human?

(10-21-2021 12:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Trying to refute the fact that he knew he was passing a counterfeit bill...I think that is fairly clear that he did that sh1t.

What did I write exactly?

Quote:ALLEGEDLY passing counterfeit bills or bill? If he shoplifted $20 would that call for 5 or 6 cops to investigate? Minneapolis police aren't the secret service. Where is this counterfeit $20? What if he was duped and given a bad $20 and didn't know it?

Floyd was killed before he ever got a chance to tell his side of the story.

So you can say you know for a fact he did it, but you have no idea what the circumstances were.

Regardless of all that, this isn't a sign of bias. My comment never said "GEORGE FLOYD DIDN'T DO IT." My comment was a response to basically saying that the police force was justified over a counterfeit twenty.

(10-21-2021 12:31 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 12:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Trying to refute the fact that he knew he was passing a counterfeit bill...I think that is fairly clear that he did that sh1t.

What did I write exactly?

Quote:ALLEGEDLY passing counterfeit bills or bill? If he shoplifted $20 would that call for 5 or 6 cops to investigate? Minneapolis police aren't the secret service. Where is this counterfeit $20? What if he was duped and given a bad $20 and didn't know it?

Floyd was killed before he ever got a chance to tell his side of the story.

So you can say you know for a fact he did it, but you have no idea what the circumstances were.

Regardless of all that, this isn't a sign of bias. My comment never said "GEORGE FLOYD DIDN'T DO IT." My comment was a response to basically saying that the police force was justified over a counterfeit twenty.

Hey I see that as a certainty...But splitting hairs at this point...We are in the same place...None of that even mattered. I don't care if he just robbed a bank for a cool 1Million...Once he was subdued everything else was excessive.

(10-21-2021 12:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 12:07 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  I'm not STAMMERS --but ask the people whose home he invaded and held a gun to their heads if they think he is -----I bet you don't want the answer

I have a female loved one who was the victim of a home invasion. The guys who broke into her apartment thought the previous tenant still lived there. Apparently the previous tenant was a drug dealer. They put guns to her head and she thought she was going to die. I'm grateful they didn't rape her. She was not able to live alone for several years in the aftermath because of the emotional and mental distress of this incident.

One of the guys left something behind which allowed police to pinpoint them. They were teenaged minors. She went to court and told me how story she felt about one of the mothers of the kids that did it.

Regardless of what criminal acts these children committed, they were still human.

In 2007, George Floyd was with five guys and they did a home invasion robbery. He put the gun to the woman's abdomen, but she was not pregnant. Floyd plead guilty and was sentenced to five years for robbery. Floyd's life was going nowhere and he met a mentor who convinced him to move to Minneapolis to get off drugs and straighten his life out.

Regardless of his mistakes, George Floyd was a human.

How can people like you ever expect people who make mistakes be rehabilitated if you never actually will ever give them a chance to do just that because you think they are beneath a human?

Tell that to the woman that was raped on the subway the other day ---you know the HUMAN that had been rehabilitated 843K times----

----as for FLOYD -apparently the mentor failed ---because Floyd had a lethal dose of drugs in him and was passing ohony $$$$$ I guess you think the store owner was at fault for not letting the HUMAN rob him out of business---like all the stores in SF--Austin

As soon as we let the little darlings out----low and behold --they continue to commit crime after crime-----over and over over --shocker

(10-21-2021 12:42 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Tell that to the woman that was raped on the subway the other day ---you know the HUMAN that had been rehabilitated 843K times----

----as for FLOYD -apparently the mentor failed ---because Floyd had a lethal dose of drugs in him and was passing ohony $$$$$ I guess you think the store owner was at fault for not letting the HUMAN rob him out of business---like all the stores in SF--Austin

As soon as we let the little darlings out----low and behold --they continue to commit crime after crime-----over and over over --shocker

Funny it took police brutality to allow that fatal dose of drugs to work.

(10-21-2021 12:51 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 12:42 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Tell that to the woman that was raped on the subway the other day ---you know the HUMAN that had been rehabilitated 843K times----

----as for FLOYD -apparently the mentor failed ---because Floyd had a lethal dose of drugs in him and was passing ohony $$$$$ I guess you think the store owner was at fault for not letting the HUMAN rob him out of business---like all the stores in SF--Austin

As soon as we let the little darlings out----low and behold --they continue to commit crime after crime-----over and over over --shocker

Funny it took police brutality to allow that fatal dose of drugs to work.

He aint trying to have a conversation...Just wants to keep poking and annoying you...

Don't engage.

(10-21-2021 06:04 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 09:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  George Floyd the hero. Reality. Good one.

I didn't call George Floyd a hero. I called George Floyd a human.

Many of these cold-hearted comments that ignore common sense in order to take a contrarian angle for no reason other than to oppose because they don't like those who made this issue get attention just cannot say, "Floyd was murdered by that cop using excessive force." There has to be some other reason. There has to be a situation Floyd caused that made what that cop did "reasonable" or "rational." There was some justification.

You're mocking my comment when I brought the tapes of what happened and rebut what was written as a judgment of the man "explaining" why he was killed.

Stammers, was George Floyd a human?

IF they would have shown all the tapes right away, there would have been context. IF they would have publicized his entire life as a piece of trash criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly and got arrested a billion times, people would have (rightfully) been indifferent about a piece of trash career criminal/junkie dying by accident. There wouldn't have been any rioting, and it is disgusting that politicians allowed any of it.

BTW, do you know who ordered the tapes to be suppressed for so long? POS Keith Ellison, who isn't cancelled merely because he is a liberal, and because liberals don't cancel each other.

George Floyd was barely human as were most of the other non compliant pieces of trash, victims. Did he deserve to die? Of course not, but I'm not sad, nor happy that he's dead. Statistically speaking, there is one less piece of **** walking the earth.

The only innocent victim in all of these was Eljah McClain. That was a horrible horrible tragedy. Bless that poor man's soul.

(10-21-2021 12:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 12:07 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  I'm not STAMMERS --but ask the people whose home he invaded and held a gun to their heads if they think he is -----I bet you don't want the answer

I have a female loved one who was the victim of a home invasion. The guys who broke into her apartment thought the previous tenant still lived there. Apparently the previous tenant was a drug dealer. They put guns to her head and she thought she was going to die. I'm grateful they didn't rape her. She was not able to live alone for several years in the aftermath because of the emotional and mental distress of this incident.

One of the guys left something behind which allowed police to pinpoint them. They were teenaged minors. She went to court and told me how story she felt about one of the mothers of the kids that did it.

Regardless of what criminal acts these children committed, they were still human.

In 2007, George Floyd was with five guys and they did a home invasion robbery. He put the gun to the woman's abdomen, but she was not pregnant. Floyd plead guilty and was sentenced to five years for robbery. Floyd's life was going nowhere and he met a mentor who convinced him to move to Minneapolis to get off drugs and straighten his life out.

Regardless of his mistakes, George Floyd was a human.

How can people like you ever expect people who make mistakes be rehabilitated if you never actually will ever give them a chance to do just that because you think they are beneath a human?

He was rehabilitated? He was high as a kite with enough drugs in him to kill him, and he was passing off counterfeit bills. He resisted arrest because he was high as a kite, realized he was going back to jail, and was so high that maybe he thought would avoid jail by not getting into the police car.

What a joke.

(10-21-2021 01:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  IF they would have shown all the tapes right away, there would have been context.

You mean the police body cam? There is no context to a cop having their knee on a man's neck for nearly 9 minutes. What in the world could you see to justify that?

Quote:IF they would have publicized his entire life as a piece of trash criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly

You should read my other post. She wasn't pregnant and he served time in prison over that.

Quote:and got arrested a billion times, people would have (rightfully) been indifferent about a piece of trash career criminal/junkie dying by accident.

You seem to be indifferent about him being murdered.

Quote:There wouldn't have been any rioting, and it is disgusting that politicians allowed any of it.

What do you suggest we do about police killing and brutalizing people, whether they committed crimes or not, and not being held accountable for it through the justice system or even on the job punishment?

Quote:BTW, do you know who ordered the tapes to be suppressed for so long? POS Keith Ellison, who isn't cancelled merely because he is a liberal, and because liberals don't cancel each other.

You don't know how the game is played, do you?

If the police body cam looks good for police; giving them justification, body cams get released (or leaked) within the day. When they are held back, its usually bad for law enforcement.

Keith Ellison is the state Attorney General, and I don't think he has control of the Minneapolis Police Department.

Quote:George Floyd was barely human as were most of the other non compliant pieces of trash, victims. Did he deserve to die? Of course not,

No he's not barely human, he's a human. Having people I know who have gone to jail or prison, they can make mistakes and come back from those mistakes. I know someone who got a felony robbery charge when they were 18, spend time in jail, and now is a thriving business owner. And has NEVER been able to vote because the State of Tennessee makes it a huddle to get voting rights back.

Floyd was strung out back when he was in Houston when his hopes and dreams falter and he went down the wrong path. It's easy to call him trash, but when someone gets that type of addiction, why can't you see them as someone who is sick and needs help?

He served his time for the robbery. If he was purposely passing counterfeit $20's, are you equating that crime to armed robbery? You just see it as more proof he's trash?

Since you think George Floyd was barely human, why don't you listen to the podcast I suggested earlier, The Life of George Floyd. They don't make him out to be a hero, but maybe they can explain to you why his life went the way it did.

George Floyd could have just as easily been Andre Allen or Antonio Burks.

Or maybe shoulda been Tiger T-Head Moy.

Quote:but I'm not sad, nor happy that he's dead. Statistically speaking, there is one less piece of **** walking the earth.

It's sad you can value a human life that way.

Quote:The only innocent victim in all of these was Eljah McClain. That was a horrible horrible tragedy. Bless that poor man's soul.

You know what's really sad? That you don't see it's systematic. You can't call Elijah McClain "innocent" and then ignore the fact that police and many people of the same mentality see black people as thugs and always a risk of danger and violence. That's the perception we fight. If Floyd had a drug problem and was begging for his life, how is that different than Elijah McClain begging for his life?

I notice two words you didn't use with Elijah McClain... "Comply" and "Resist"...

(10-21-2021 01:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  He was rehabilitated?

So when was that home invasion robbery that the police were arresting him for when he was murdered?

Quote:He was high as a kite with enough drugs in him to kill him,

So the cop did it instead?

Quote:and he was passing off counterfeit bills. He resisted arrest because he was high as a kite, realized he was going back to jail, and was so high that maybe he thought would avoid jail by not getting into the police car.

What a joke.

He begged for police not to shoot him or put him in the car.

Did the police ever tell him what he was being cuffed for or put into the police car for?

The hell I'm getting in cuffs or the back of a squad car without being told I was being arrested.

Elijah McClain resisted a hell of a lot more than George Floyd.

It's sad you don't see their murders are equally harmful to our society.

(10-21-2021 01:55 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 01:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  IF they would have shown all the tapes right away, there would have been context.

You mean the police body cam? There is no context to a cop having their knee on a man's neck for nearly 9 minutes. What in the world could you see to justify that?

Quote:IF they would have publicized his entire life as a piece of trash criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly

You should read my other post. She wasn't pregnant and he served time in prison over that.

Quote:and got arrested a billion times, people would have (rightfully) been indifferent about a piece of trash career criminal/junkie dying by accident.

You seem to be indifferent about him being murdered.

Quote:There wouldn't have been any rioting, and it is disgusting that politicians allowed any of it.

What do you suggest we do about police killing and brutalizing people, whether they committed crimes or not, and not being held accountable for it through the justice system or even on the job punishment?

Quote:BTW, do you know who ordered the tapes to be suppressed for so long? POS Keith Ellison, who isn't cancelled merely because he is a liberal, and because liberals don't cancel each other.

You don't know how the game is played, do you?

If the police body cam looks good for police; giving them justification, body cams get released (or leaked) within the day. When they are held back, its usually bad for law enforcement.

Keith Ellison is the state Attorney General, and I don't think he has control of the Minneapolis Police Department.

Quote:George Floyd was barely human as were most of the other non compliant pieces of trash, victims. Did he deserve to die? Of course not,

No he's not barely human, he's a human. Having people I know who have gone to jail or prison, they can make mistakes and come back from those mistakes. I know someone who got a felony robbery charge when they were 18, spend time in jail, and now is a thriving business owner. And has NEVER been able to vote because the State of Tennessee makes it a huddle to get voting rights back.

Floyd was strung out back when he was in Houston when his hopes and dreams falter and he went down the wrong path. It's easy to call him trash, but when someone gets that type of addiction, why can't you see them as someone who is sick and needs help?

He served his time for the robbery. If he was purposely passing counterfeit $20's, are you equating that crime to armed robbery? You just see it as more proof he's trash?

Since you think George Floyd was barely human, why don't you listen to the podcast I suggested earlier, The Life of George Floyd. They don't make him out to be a hero, but maybe they can explain to you why his life went the way it did.

George Floyd could have just as easily been Andre Allen or Antonio Burks.

Or maybe shoulda been Tiger T-Head Moy.

Quote:but I'm not sad, nor happy that he's dead. Statistically speaking, there is one less piece of **** walking the earth.

It's sad you can value a human life that way.

Quote:The only innocent victim in all of these was Eljah McClain. That was a horrible horrible tragedy. Bless that poor man's soul.

You know what's really sad? That you don't see it's systematic. You can't call Elijah McClain "innocent" and then ignore the fact that police and many people of the same mentality see black people as thugs and always a risk of danger and violence. That's the perception we fight. If Floyd had a drug problem and was begging for his life, how is that different than Elijah McClain begging for his life?

I notice two words you didn't use with Elijah McClain... "Comply" and "Resist"...

(10-21-2021 01:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  He was rehabilitated?

So when was that home invasion robbery that the police were arresting him for when he was murdered?

Quote:He was high as a kite with enough drugs in him to kill him,

So the cop did it instead?

Quote:and he was passing off counterfeit bills. He resisted arrest because he was high as a kite, realized he was going back to jail, and was so high that maybe he thought would avoid jail by not getting into the police car.

What a joke.

He begged for police not to shoot him or put him in the car.

Did the police ever tell him what he was being cuffed for or put into the police car for?

The hell I'm getting in cuffs or the back of a squad car without being told I was being arrested.

Elijah McClain resisted a hell of a lot more than George Floyd.

It's sad you don't see their murders are equally harmful to our society.

People twisting themselves into pretzels over this is crazy...

Should we only get outraged when a "good" person is murdered. Did the officer know his history when he was killing him. If not is shouldn't even be brought up...Even if he did it is not his job to enact punishment.

The issue is this has been happening for decades...Just like this issue...If there was no video dude would just be dead and the cop would still be out there doing his thing.

(10-21-2021 12:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 12:51 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 12:42 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Tell that to the woman that was raped on the subway the other day ---you know the HUMAN that had been rehabilitated 843K times----

----as for FLOYD -apparently the mentor failed ---because Floyd had a lethal dose of drugs in him and was passing ohony $$$$$ I guess you think the store owner was at fault for not letting the HUMAN rob him out of business---like all the stores in SF--Austin

As soon as we let the little darlings out----low and behold --they continue to commit crime after crime-----over and over over --shocker

Funny it took police brutality to allow that fatal dose of drugs to work.

He aint trying to have a conversation...Just wants to keep poking and annoying you...

Don't engage.

Why would you say that---not true--why attack me --I haven't you

(10-21-2021 01:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 06:04 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 09:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  George Floyd the hero. Reality. Good one.

I didn't call George Floyd a hero. I called George Floyd a human.

Many of these cold-hearted comments that ignore common sense in order to take a contrarian angle for no reason other than to oppose because they don't like those who made this issue get attention just cannot say, "Floyd was murdered by that cop using excessive force." There has to be some other reason. There has to be a situation Floyd caused that made what that cop did "reasonable" or "rational." There was some justification.

You're mocking my comment when I brought the tapes of what happened and rebut what was written as a judgment of the man "explaining" why he was killed.

Stammers, was George Floyd a human?

IF they would have shown all the tapes right away, there would have been context. IF they would have publicized his entire life as a piece of trash criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly and got arrested a billion times, people would have (rightfully) been indifferent about a piece of trash career criminal/junkie dying by accident. There wouldn't have been any rioting, and it is disgusting that politicians allowed any of it.

BTW, do you know who ordered the tapes to be suppressed for so long? POS Keith Ellison, who isn't cancelled merely because he is a liberal, and because liberals don't cancel each other.

George Floyd was barely human as were most of the other non compliant pieces of trash, victims. Did he deserve to die? Of course not, but I'm not sad, nor happy that he's dead. Statistically speaking, there is one less piece of **** walking the earth.

The only innocent victim in all of these was Eljah McClain. That was a horrible horrible tragedy. Bless that poor man's soul.

^^^THIS^^^Like I have said many times before---how can you be so right on certain things-------and so MOLASSES on others

(10-21-2021 12:07 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 06:04 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 09:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  George Floyd the hero. Reality. Good one.

I didn't call George Floyd a hero. I called George Floyd a human.

Many of these cold-hearted comments that ignore common sense in order to take a contrarian angle for no reason other than to oppose because they don't like those who made this issue get attention just cannot say, "Floyd was murdered by that cop using excessive force." There has to be some other reason. There has to be a situation Floyd caused that made what that cop did "reasonable" or "rational." There was some justification.

You're mocking my comment when I brought the tapes of what happened and rebut what was written as a judgment of the man "explaining" why he was killed.

Stammers, was George Floyd a human?

I'm not STAMMERS --but ask the people whose home he invaded and held a gun to their heads if they think he is -----I bet you don't want the answer

Media spun it the way they wanted. It becomes entertainment for the rich and woke.

Same as all the 'mostly peaceful protestors' last year across the country particularly in Portland and Seattle. Just a bunch of mainly young white basement dwelling hoodlums looking for a reason to riot and loot.

The cop was guilty the same way OJ was innocent.

If you have an encounter with the police and you just cooperate you don't end up dead.

The trial was a media circus - plain and simple - I don't know how much the way Floyd was restrained led to his death, if it did at all but I certainly do not think the cop set out to kill him or murder him yet there he is in prison to appease the mob.

Bunch of s h i t is all it is and the lefties on here go along with it hook, line, and sinker - same as they go along with calling the January 6th protest an 'insurrection' like those ******** were really trying to take over the government. Pfffft - Seriously?

Let's go Brandon!!