(11-14-2021 10:16 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-13-2021 11:40 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(11-13-2021 12:19 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 11:35 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Sometimes get sarcastic to some posters and mock the Oct31 video of why we stay in the A10 on the pitch to CUSA.
Granted innervisionsUMass likes football only so we can stay in the A10. It's beyond time we move to the MAC for all sports. Cut rowing scholarships for adding volleyball.

Perhaps the MAC can overperform this year and make the decision harder.

UmAss is a curiosity to me. Crap or get off the pot, you cannot keep going like you are with FBS football. It's a waste of money, time, and energy to try and make it work at this level without a conference.

The service academies and large religious schools like BYU/Liberty can do it but not a State school in a football poor part of the nation.

Yes, Twitter has been reacting to the **** show in favor of the MAC. Things are building!

It does not matter how twitter or csnbbs reacts, it matter how the money donors react.

Hear you and there is movement. Football fun raising usually draws 150% of the basketball money. On the flagship forward they changed it to donors so not as apparent.

Posted this as well on the MTSU threads.
The MAC knows it has UMass on the ropes as the internal voices are gone from no way to it maybe ok. The Football fans are being vocal supporting a move to the MAC and we are wearing some basketball fans. This is a big change for basketball posters.

First posted this.

Quote:Re: Realignment: Texas/OK->SEC; UCF, BYU, Ciny,Houston->BigXII-dominos
Post by Steve81 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:46 am

Regarding MAC basketball tonight
Akron lost with no time left against #17 Ohio State
Miami(OH) beat Georgia Tech.
Ohio beat an experienced Belmont team.
Toledo beat Valparaiso
Northern Illinois leads Washington by 5 with 7:28 minutes left.

Just saying there is good basketball in the MAC and the talent level is the same as the A10 except for the one top 25 team as the Bonnies.

We go all sports to the MAC, will donate at least $1,500 to the Gridiron club during this April's Flag Forward fund raising.

Quote:Re: Realignment: Texas/OK->SEC; UCF, BYU, Ciny,Houston->BigXII-dominos
Post by TheInsider » Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:15 am

I agree with Steve's main point.. I don't care if the A10 is an 8 bid league if we finish 9th every year. When you look at the other sports, the MAC on average is just as good or better than the A10.. We wouldn't be sacrificing the competition level across the board for football.

Quote:Post by 69MG » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:48 pm

I don't think I have commented on this subject, maybe once? I am not a big fan of the MAC as we don't have natural or regional ties with any of the schools. However, times have changed. When we declined to go all in, the A10 was a very strong BB conference and it would have been a major downgrade for BB to go there. There isn't nearly as much difference now in the 2 leagues for BB and the other sports are also relatively equal.

So as painful as it is for me to say this, if going to the MAC in all sports saves football I guess we should do it. I am a BB person far more than football and I will miss the A10. What I see, though, is the A10 losing some of the top teams to other conferences and that will hurt BB as well. That's my rationale for grudgingly saying yes to the MAC.

PS. Bull_In_Exile UMass does have people monitoring social media.

Some bad info here. MT could certainly be better off financially due to some stupidity at the President and AD levels that has alienated the fan base, but the University announced earlier this week that ground will be broken on new $100-plus million facility enhancements. About $66M has already been raised through private funds.

The issue boiled down to Grant of Rights and the MAC demanding a 20 year commitment. The MT AD is an Ohio grad, so it's not like folks don't understand the benefits of the stability offered by the MAC. But there was some concern about losing recruiting pipelines in the south given the teams would no longer be playing any games in the south any longer (except what could be scheduled OOC). It's difficult for G5 schools to budget recruiting resources in two places (where you play and then where you have success, history, and relationships in recruiting if that isn't also where you play which would have been the MAC for MT). So, there was some thinking that well couldn't hurt to give it a try and see if the teams could be competitive given the recruiting dynamic and then the MAC dropped that GOR commitment. Had the MAC not overplayed its hand with the GOR thinking Middle and Western were desperate, I believe both MT and WKU would have joined. There was a huge portion of the fanbase at Middle Tennessee that wanted to go to the MAC, but the leadership made a business decision and it wasn't just about exit fee collection. Though that will certainly help toward the final funds needed to complete construction on the new facilities. Good luck to you all!

I keep seeing the idea of a gor being thrown around but has there been any proof of it besides on message boards?

(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  I keep seeing the idea of a gor being thrown around but has there been any proof of it besides on message boards?

No. There is not.

(11-18-2021 11:43 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  I keep seeing the idea of a gor being thrown around but has there been any proof of it besides on message boards?

No. There is not.

Not True. There has been several well connected people on Twitter and such reporting that as well. The MAC wanted a 20 year commitment which is insane. I can understand a reasonable commitment (10 years maybe) but 20 just isn't reasonable IMO.

(11-17-2021 08:29 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Some bad info here. MT could certainly be better off financially due to some stupidity at the President and AD levels that has alienated the fan base, but the University announced earlier this week that ground will be broken on new $100-plus million facility enhancements. About $66M has already been raised through private funds.

The issue boiled down to Grant of Rights and the MAC demanding a 20 year commitment. The MT AD is an Ohio grad, so it's not like folks don't understand the benefits of the stability offered by the MAC. But there was some concern about losing recruiting pipelines in the south given the teams would no longer be playing any games in the south any longer (except what could be scheduled OOC). It's difficult for G5 schools to budget recruiting resources in two places (where you play and then where you have success, history, and relationships in recruiting if that isn't also where you play which would have been the MAC for MT). So, there was some thinking that well couldn't hurt to give it a try and see if the teams could be competitive given the recruiting dynamic and then the MAC dropped that GOR commitment. Had the MAC not overplayed its hand with the GOR thinking Middle and Western were desperate, I believe both MT and WKU would have joined. There was a huge portion of the fanbase at Middle Tennessee that wanted to go to the MAC, but the leadership made a business decision and it wasn't just about exit fee collection. Though that will certainly help toward the final funds needed to complete construction on the new facilities. Good luck to you all!

This. You are spot on from everything I heard.

(11-18-2021 11:47 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 11:43 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  I keep seeing the idea of a gor being thrown around but has there been any proof of it besides on message boards?

No. There is not.

Not True. There has been several well connected people on Twitter and such reporting that as well. The MAC wanted a 20 year commitment which is insane. I can understand a reasonable commitment (10 years maybe) but 20 just isn't reasonable IMO.

You seem to be pushing this idea more than anybody, and I just don't believe you. I'm sorry.

(11-18-2021 11:52 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 11:47 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 11:43 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  I keep seeing the idea of a gor being thrown around but has there been any proof of it besides on message boards?

No. There is not.

Not True. There has been several well connected people on Twitter and such reporting that as well. The MAC wanted a 20 year commitment which is insane. I can understand a reasonable commitment (10 years maybe) but 20 just isn't reasonable IMO.

You seem to be pushing this idea more than anybody, and I just don't believe you. I'm sorry.

I would add that I'm not a lawyer or an expert on sports management or broadcast television. The tell here is where you keep saying the MAC somehow overplayed its hand.

The MAC had nothing to lose here. Middle Tennessee isn't that special.

(11-18-2021 11:47 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 11:43 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  I keep seeing the idea of a gor being thrown around but has there been any proof of it besides on message boards?

No. There is not.

Not True. There has been several well connected people on Twitter and such reporting that as well. The MAC wanted a 20 year commitment which is insane. I can understand a reasonable commitment (10 years maybe) but 20 just isn't reasonable IMO.

Actual link to, uh, you know, facts, and not just somebody's Twitter interpretation or assumption, if one exists, please? Thanks in advance.

(11-18-2021 04:24 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 11:47 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 11:43 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  I keep seeing the idea of a gor being thrown around but has there been any proof of it besides on message boards?

No. There is not.

Not True. There has been several well connected people on Twitter and such reporting that as well. The MAC wanted a 20 year commitment which is insane. I can understand a reasonable commitment (10 years maybe) but 20 just isn't reasonable IMO.

Actual link to, uh, you know, facts, and not just somebody's Twitter interpretation or assumption, if one exists, please? Thanks in advance.

There is a bunch out there but Todd Hamilton is probably one of the better connected people in sports broadcasting. He's been at it for 40+ years no. He's huge in Kentucky and is very close with the WKU program and what's going on.

Must be true if Twitter says so. MAC didn’t need to expand so it really doesn’t matter. WKU will eventually be in the MAC, CUSAFCS will be a disaster.

(11-18-2021 06:24 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Must be true if Twitter says so. MAC didn’t need to expand so it really doesn’t matter. WKU will eventually be in the MAC, CUSAFCS will be a disaster.

Indeed. Once might argue Middle Tennessee overplayed their hand here.

The entire recruiting aspect of this is so far off. There a tons of Florida recruits on MAC rosters. There was even an article from a Florida newspaper a couple years ago about how #MACtion drew their attention and they knew their parents would be able to watch the games, etc. The southern "recruiting pipeline" that CUSA thinks they have is ridiculous.

(11-18-2021 06:29 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 06:24 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Must be true if Twitter says so. MAC didn’t need to expand so it really doesn’t matter. WKU will eventually be in the MAC, CUSAFCS will be a disaster.

Indeed. Once might argue Middle Tennessee overplayed their hand here.

Exactly, MTSU made a bad choice that they will regret in a year or 2 when they see the writing on the wall with Judy and her next TV deal and a failing conference.

(11-18-2021 07:44 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 06:29 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 06:24 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Must be true if Twitter says so. MAC didn’t need to expand so it really doesn’t matter. WKU will eventually be in the MAC, CUSAFCS will be a disaster.

Indeed. Once might argue Middle Tennessee overplayed their hand here.

Exactly, MTSU made a bad choice that they will regret in a year or 2 when they see the writing on the wall with Judy and her next TV deal and a failing conference.

Please G-d, have CUSA say no to UMass and finally be an all sports member of the MAC!
If this happens will owe a big thank you to MTSU as our administration has issues leaving the A10. Seems like the logical financial choice for good sports in a nice conference.

(11-18-2021 07:44 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 06:29 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 06:24 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Must be true if Twitter says so. MAC didn’t need to expand so it really doesn’t matter. WKU will eventually be in the MAC, CUSAFCS will be a disaster.

Indeed. Once might argue Middle Tennessee overplayed their hand here.

Exactly, MTSU made a bad choice that they will regret in a year or 2 when they see the writing on the wall with Judy and her next TV deal and a failing conference.

I would not rule out MTSU to the MAC... Just yet.

Look they can harp on recruiting or being southern all they want. The real reason they are staying is because they cannot afford to pay an exit fee, nor can they afford to pass up the 3-4 million they are going to get in exit fees.

In 2-3 years if the CDOA experiment does not pan out, you're going to see WKU push for the MAC again and MTSU, at that point, will have collected the exit fees.

(11-20-2021 04:40 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I would not rule out MTSU to the MAC... Just yet.

After all that, are you sure the MAC is going to pick up the phone if Middle Tennessee calls again?

We don't need them.

(11-20-2021 04:40 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  In 2-3 years if the CDOA experiment does not pan out, you're going to see WKU push for the MAC again and MTSU, at that point, will have collected the exit fees.

AFAIU, last time CUSA was raided, they didn't hand out all of the exit fees when they received, but they doled them out over a longer period of time.

Still, if they dole them out over 5-6 years, then three years might be enough to fund the loss of CUSA conference distributions for two years.

(11-20-2021 05:43 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(11-20-2021 04:40 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I would not rule out MTSU to the MAC... Just yet.

After all that, are you sure the MAC is going to pick up the phone if Middle Tennessee calls again?

We don't need them.

Not saying "we need them" not saying "we will pick them up" but you have to have short emotional memories to make strategic decisions.

If they want to come in a couple of years along with WKU (and they are the best option on the table) then offer them in so long as they sign a GOR or something that makes you content.