(10-20-2021 02:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:37 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 01:21 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  https://twitter.com/chrisvannini/status/...81195?s=21

Finally something other than anonymous twitter.

Of course they told McMurphy no additions.

Maybe nobody in the CUSA was interested. But after 6 left they are suddenly listening.

Still think the Sun Belt is the weakest link because they have the weakest links at the bottom. Makes more sense to add the top 6 Sun Belt to the CUSA.

I’m not sure this story is inconsistent with McMurphy’s reporting, basically the Sun Belt is considering its options:”stay at 10 football members, add two or add four. Growing to 14 is on the table, and staying within the footprint is important, as much of the league currently buses its sports team to many SBC competitions.”

“People in the Sun Belt were largely surprised by the AAC’s decision to go big and feel it’s a sign of desperation. The Mountain West stayed pat and the Sun Belt could too if it doesn’t see enough value in the other options.”

And then the review of the options seems more speculative than sourced.

Whether any of the C-USA members want to apply for SBC membership is another matter.

ODU has constantly talked about reducing travel. Joining a conference with Arkansas St., ULM, ULL, Texas St., UTA and UALR doesn't really accomplish that. They have a nice 4 with WKU, MTSU, Marshall and ODU.

they would be in a division perhaps with Coastal Carolina, James Madison, App St, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, and Marshall. That's 6 football games right there. 3 home 3 away. Would have 1 game away against other more western programs for football. For basketball would have travel partners. And UTA and UALR probably gone as well. So like 2 weekends of travel out west- and some years only 1(they'd probably have it set up like that).

What if App St. and Coastal Carolina joined CUSA? That would be even better. And of course, GSU and Georgia St.

(10-20-2021 02:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  If it means killing off one of the G5, it could be profitable.

It isn't profitable until you can get the same Conf USA carrying networks in a bidding war with ESPN. It's tough when you hurt those rival TV entities only to expect them to come back and scratch your back on the next TV cycle. But yeah, CBS Sports can and will void their existing deals, and if they want property down the line, there will be less, more concentrated supply.

(10-20-2021 02:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:54 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:44 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If the Sunbelt pulls off 14 we are going to find out if the MAC will go to 14

I would think WKU and MTSU would be calling them quick if WKU isn't headed to the SBC.

Yep. 14 may be the new 12

Also WKU and MTSU could be in MAC West which would allow the Ohio schools to all be in MAC East

So then the MWC would have to add UTEP and Texas St. to be part of the 14 club

If it means killing off one of the G5, it could be profitable.

well if MAC 14, SBC 14, MWC 14, SBC would have to take 1 more of FIU or La Tech, the one not picked would be Indy.

(10-20-2021 03:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:37 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  Finally something other than anonymous twitter.

Of course they told McMurphy no additions.

Maybe nobody in the CUSA was interested. But after 6 left they are suddenly listening.

Still think the Sun Belt is the weakest link because they have the weakest links at the bottom. Makes more sense to add the top 6 Sun Belt to the CUSA.

I’m not sure this story is inconsistent with McMurphy’s reporting, basically the Sun Belt is considering its options:”stay at 10 football members, add two or add four. Growing to 14 is on the table, and staying within the footprint is important, as much of the league currently buses its sports team to many SBC competitions.”

“People in the Sun Belt were largely surprised by the AAC’s decision to go big and feel it’s a sign of desperation. The Mountain West stayed pat and the Sun Belt could too if it doesn’t see enough value in the other options.”

And then the review of the options seems more speculative than sourced.

Whether any of the C-USA members want to apply for SBC membership is another matter.

ODU has constantly talked about reducing travel. Joining a conference with Arkansas St., ULM, ULL, Texas St., UTA and UALR doesn't really accomplish that. They have a nice 4 with WKU, MTSU, Marshall and ODU.

they would be in a division perhaps with Coastal Carolina, James Madison, App St, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, and Marshall. That's 6 football games right there. 3 home 3 away. Would have 1 game away against other more western programs for football. For basketball would have travel partners. And UTA and UALR probably gone as well. So like 2 weekends of travel out west- and some years only 1(they'd probably have it set up like that).

What if App St. and Coastal Carolina joined CUSA? That would be even better. And of course, GSU and Georgia St.

If I'm CUSA and Marshall I'm telling App, Coastal, GA St and GA Southern to come join CUSA

TV deal is up soon and this conference would be the much desired eastern conference with the LA Tech and UTEP issues to be resolved

Is there a scenario that sees Western Kentucky go indy in FBS football and join the Missouri Valley for other sports? The addition of WKU and Belmont (yes, I'm a Bruin homer) would seemingly be strong for Valley hoops.

(10-20-2021 03:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:37 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  Finally something other than anonymous twitter.

Of course they told McMurphy no additions.

Maybe nobody in the CUSA was interested. But after 6 left they are suddenly listening.

Still think the Sun Belt is the weakest link because they have the weakest links at the bottom. Makes more sense to add the top 6 Sun Belt to the CUSA.

I’m not sure this story is inconsistent with McMurphy’s reporting, basically the Sun Belt is considering its options:”stay at 10 football members, add two or add four. Growing to 14 is on the table, and staying within the footprint is important, as much of the league currently buses its sports team to many SBC competitions.”

“People in the Sun Belt were largely surprised by the AAC’s decision to go big and feel it’s a sign of desperation. The Mountain West stayed pat and the Sun Belt could too if it doesn’t see enough value in the other options.”

And then the review of the options seems more speculative than sourced.

Whether any of the C-USA members want to apply for SBC membership is another matter.

ODU has constantly talked about reducing travel. Joining a conference with Arkansas St., ULM, ULL, Texas St., UTA and UALR doesn't really accomplish that. They have a nice 4 with WKU, MTSU, Marshall and ODU.

they would be in a division perhaps with Coastal Carolina, James Madison, App St, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, and Marshall. That's 6 football games right there. 3 home 3 away. Would have 1 game away against other more western programs for football. For basketball would have travel partners. And UTA and UALR probably gone as well. So like 2 weekends of travel out west- and some years only 1(they'd probably have it set up like that).

What if App St. and Coastal Carolina joined CUSA? That would be even better. And of course, GSU and Georgia St.

I don't know. I think ESPN access means a lot and not the crap that CUSA coverage has right now.

(10-20-2021 03:05 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:37 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  I’m not sure this story is inconsistent with McMurphy’s reporting, basically the Sun Belt is considering its options:”stay at 10 football members, add two or add four. Growing to 14 is on the table, and staying within the footprint is important, as much of the league currently buses its sports team to many SBC competitions.”

“People in the Sun Belt were largely surprised by the AAC’s decision to go big and feel it’s a sign of desperation. The Mountain West stayed pat and the Sun Belt could too if it doesn’t see enough value in the other options.”

And then the review of the options seems more speculative than sourced.

Whether any of the C-USA members want to apply for SBC membership is another matter.

ODU has constantly talked about reducing travel. Joining a conference with Arkansas St., ULM, ULL, Texas St., UTA and UALR doesn't really accomplish that. They have a nice 4 with WKU, MTSU, Marshall and ODU.

they would be in a division perhaps with Coastal Carolina, James Madison, App St, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, and Marshall. That's 6 football games right there. 3 home 3 away. Would have 1 game away against other more western programs for football. For basketball would have travel partners. And UTA and UALR probably gone as well. So like 2 weekends of travel out west- and some years only 1(they'd probably have it set up like that).

What if App St. and Coastal Carolina joined CUSA? That would be even better. And of course, GSU and Georgia St.

If I'm CUSA and Marshall I'm telling App, Coastal, GA St and GA Southern to come join CUSA

TV deal is up soon and this conference would be the much desired eastern conference with the LA Tech and UTEP issues to be resolved

the problem is those issues would have to be resolved before anyone would even remotely consider that. Especially UTEP 2 time zones away.

(10-20-2021 03:07 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Is there a scenario that sees Western Kentucky go indy in FBS football and join the Missouri Valley for other sports? The addition of WKU and Belmont (yes, I'm a Bruin homer) would seemingly be strong for Valley hoops.

No, they have MAC as an out if CUSA falls apart and are left out of the SBC.

I think Missouri St. getting a CUSA invite means NKU and Murray St. to the MVC

(10-20-2021 03:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:05 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  ODU has constantly talked about reducing travel. Joining a conference with Arkansas St., ULM, ULL, Texas St., UTA and UALR doesn't really accomplish that. They have a nice 4 with WKU, MTSU, Marshall and ODU.

they would be in a division perhaps with Coastal Carolina, James Madison, App St, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, and Marshall. That's 6 football games right there. 3 home 3 away. Would have 1 game away against other more western programs for football. For basketball would have travel partners. And UTA and UALR probably gone as well. So like 2 weekends of travel out west- and some years only 1(they'd probably have it set up like that).

What if App St. and Coastal Carolina joined CUSA? That would be even better. And of course, GSU and Georgia St.

If I'm CUSA and Marshall I'm telling App, Coastal, GA St and GA Southern to come join CUSA

TV deal is up soon and this conference would be the much desired eastern conference with the LA Tech and UTEP issues to be resolved

the problem is those issues would have to be resolved before anyone would even remotely consider that. Especially UTEP 2 time zones away.

If ODU, Marshall, and JMU choose CUSA over Sunbelt the Sunbelt's best option for #12 would begrudgingly be LA Tech. Unless they wanted to reconsider Eastern Kentucky who just joined ASun, or reach out to Missouri State, the Sunbelt would take care of the LA Tech issue


The UTEP issue and possibly the FIU issue could be worked out by a football only guarantee.

UTEP to the WAC and FIU to the ASun with a guarantee their football programs will have a home

It could work but would take a lot of selling and leadership

Chattanooga hinted FBS, and I remembered their rivalry games with App State and Georgia Southern.

NC A&T, UCA, North Alabama, EKU, Jacksonville State, North Florida adding football, Youngstown State, Stony Brook, Northern Iowa, SHSU, SFAU, Lamar and North Dakota State are options for C-USA. North Dakota State is another.

(10-20-2021 03:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Chattanooga hinted FBS, and I remembered their rivalry games with App State and Georgia Southern.

NC A&T, UCA, North Alabama, EKU, Jacksonville State, North Florida adding football, Youngstown State, Stony Brook, Northern Iowa, SHSU, SFAU, Lamar and North Dakota State are options for C-USA. North Dakota State is another.

Throwing pooh against the wall and hoping it sticks I see?

(10-20-2021 03:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Chattanooga hinted FBS, and I remembered their rivalry games with App State and Georgia Southern.

NC A&T, UCA, North Alabama, EKU, Jacksonville State, North Florida adding football, Youngstown State, Stony Brook, Northern Iowa, SHSU, SFAU, Lamar and North Dakota State are options for C-USA. North Dakota State is another.

Throwing pooh against the wall and hoping it sticks I see?

Exactly. Let's list every school in the nation (even ones without football) as options, so I can say I called it!

(10-20-2021 03:16 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:07 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Is there a scenario that sees Western Kentucky go indy in FBS football and join the Missouri Valley for other sports? The addition of WKU and Belmont (yes, I'm a Bruin homer) would seemingly be strong for Valley hoops.

No, they have MAC as an out if CUSA falls apart and are left out of the SBC.

I think Missouri St. getting a CUSA invite means NKU and Murray St. to the MVC

If WKU is shut out of the SBC and the MAC, the CUSA remnant (UTEP, LA Tech, WKU, MTSU and FIU) could effectively just merge with the ASUN, pulling up the 6 recent FCS football additions as well as Liberty, and then and reshuffle into football and non-football leagues, and take UTA and Arkansas-Little Rock off of the Sun Belt's hands.

CUSASUN FB: UTEP, La. Tech, Central Arkansas, Jacksonville State, North Alabama, Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, MTSU, Austin Peay, Kennesaw State, Liberty, FIU.

CUSASUN Non-FB: Bellarmine, Lipscomb, FGCU, Jacksonville, North Florida, Stetson, Texas-Arlington, and Arkansas-Little Rock. Maybe go poach 2 of Radford, UNC-Asheville, USC-Upstate and Presbyterian from the Big South to get 10 teams.

Or WKU could just go independent in football, assuming Liberty et al. won't join CUSA, and then join the ASUN in all other sports.

(10-20-2021 03:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The UTEP issue and possibly the FIU issue could be worked out by a football only guarantee.

Why would UTEP take that? A "guarantee" doesn't give you more security than being a bona-fide equity member of a conference does.

(10-20-2021 03:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Chattanooga hinted FBS, and I remembered their rivalry games with App State and Georgia Southern.

NC A&T, UCA, North Alabama, EKU, Jacksonville State, North Florida adding football, Youngstown State, Stony Brook, Northern Iowa, SHSU, SFAU, Lamar and North Dakota State are options for C-USA. North Dakota State is another.

Throwing pooh against the wall and hoping it sticks I see?

It's like a wierd form of Tourettes, just instead of saying curse words out loud he posts the names of schools

(10-20-2021 03:52 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The UTEP issue and possibly the FIU issue could be worked out by a football only guarantee.

Why would UTEP take that? A "guarantee" doesn't give you more security than being a bona-fide equity member of a conference does.

I'm sure something could be worked out to where UTEP is not an affiliate but a member with full rights in the sport of football.

(10-20-2021 03:55 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:52 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The UTEP issue and possibly the FIU issue could be worked out by a football only guarantee.

Why would UTEP take that? A "guarantee" doesn't give you more security than being a bona-fide equity member of a conference does.

I'm sure something could be worked out to where UTEP is not an affiliate but a member with full rights in the sport of football.

What are you offering UTEP that they haven't already got?

(10-20-2021 03:55 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:55 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:52 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The UTEP issue and possibly the FIU issue could be worked out by a football only guarantee.

Why would UTEP take that? A "guarantee" doesn't give you more security than being a bona-fide equity member of a conference does.

I'm sure something could be worked out to where UTEP is not an affiliate but a member with full rights in the sport of football.

What are you offering UTEP that they haven't already got?

The WAC #14 slot and non revenue sports travel to TX and neighboring western states. No more travel to the east coast for non football

(10-20-2021 04:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:55 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:55 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:52 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The UTEP issue and possibly the FIU issue could be worked out by a football only guarantee.

Why would UTEP take that? A "guarantee" doesn't give you more security than being a bona-fide equity member of a conference does.

I'm sure something could be worked out to where UTEP is not an affiliate but a member with full rights in the sport of football.

What are you offering UTEP that they haven't already got?

The WAC #14 slot and non revenue sports travel to TX and neighboring western states. No more travel to the east coast for non football

LOL, you want them to volunteer for the perilous status that NMSU has and join Southland v. 2.0.

(10-20-2021 04:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 04:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:55 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:55 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:52 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Why would UTEP take that? A "guarantee" doesn't give you more security than being a bona-fide equity member of a conference does.

I'm sure something could be worked out to where UTEP is not an affiliate but a member with full rights in the sport of football.

What are you offering UTEP that they haven't already got?

The WAC #14 slot and non revenue sports travel to TX and neighboring western states. No more travel to the east coast for non football

LOL, you want them to volunteer for the perilous status that NMSU has and join Southland v. 2.0.

What if they bring with LA Tech and move up the Texas-5 to FBS? There's your 8 full FBS members.