(10-20-2021 07:23 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:14 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:11 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 05:38 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I agree that an NMSU addition is unlikely, because if the MWC loses Boise State to the Big 12 then it will probably have to backfill with UTEP, and then CUSA would be right back to having an outlier on the far western fringe of the conference.

I think the better solution for CUSA would be to keep UTEP as a football-only member. UTEP's non-football sports could move to the WAC, and to backfill CUSA could add either UTA or UALR. Both of those schools are reportedly being pushed out of the Sun Belt, and both are a close enough drive to Ruston (3-4 hours) to serve as a convenient travel partner for Louisiana Tech.

Of course this assumes that the strategy of adding Liberty and JMU succeeds so that the conference still meets the minimum requirement of having eight FBS schools as full members. If it turns out UTEP must remain a full member to ensure that requirement is met, another option is to add both UTA and UALR to serve as non-football sports travel partners for UTEP and Louisiana Tech respectively.

If I were UTEP I'd want to be very, very careful about a football-only setup. Giving up full conference membership would make them more vulnerable to getting kicked to the curb at any point.

You can set up a deal where you are a member of the conference in the sport with full rights as any other member. It doesn't have to be an affiliation

Are there any schools that are considered full members of 2 different D1 conferences?

No, but UTEP could have contractual guarantees about their treatment and the terms on which their affiliation can be terminated. Plus maybe a huge buyout that CUSA would owe them.

(10-20-2021 07:23 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:14 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:11 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 05:38 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I agree that an NMSU addition is unlikely, because if the MWC loses Boise State to the Big 12 then it will probably have to backfill with UTEP, and then CUSA would be right back to having an outlier on the far western fringe of the conference.

I think the better solution for CUSA would be to keep UTEP as a football-only member. UTEP's non-football sports could move to the WAC, and to backfill CUSA could add either UTA or UALR. Both of those schools are reportedly being pushed out of the Sun Belt, and both are a close enough drive to Ruston (3-4 hours) to serve as a convenient travel partner for Louisiana Tech.

Of course this assumes that the strategy of adding Liberty and JMU succeeds so that the conference still meets the minimum requirement of having eight FBS schools as full members. If it turns out UTEP must remain a full member to ensure that requirement is met, another option is to add both UTA and UALR to serve as non-football sports travel partners for UTEP and Louisiana Tech respectively.

If I were UTEP I'd want to be very, very careful about a football-only setup. Giving up full conference membership would make them more vulnerable to getting kicked to the curb at any point.

You can set up a deal where you are a member of the conference in the sport with full rights as any other member. It doesn't have to be an affiliation

Are there any schools that are considered full members of 2 different D1 conferences?

Notre Dame is a member of both the ACC and Big 10

(10-20-2021 07:11 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 05:38 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I agree that an NMSU addition is unlikely, because if the MWC loses Boise State to the Big 12 then it will probably have to backfill with UTEP, and then CUSA would be right back to having an outlier on the far western fringe of the conference.

I think the better solution for CUSA would be to keep UTEP as a football-only member. UTEP's non-football sports could move to the WAC, and to backfill CUSA could add either UTA or UALR. Both of those schools are reportedly being pushed out of the Sun Belt, and both are a close enough drive to Ruston (3-4 hours) to serve as a convenient travel partner for Louisiana Tech.

Of course this assumes that the strategy of adding Liberty and JMU succeeds so that the conference still meets the minimum requirement of having eight FBS schools as full members. If it turns out UTEP must remain a full member to ensure that requirement is met, another option is to add both UTA and UALR to serve as non-football sports travel partners for UTEP and Louisiana Tech respectively.

If I were UTEP I'd want to be very, very careful about a football-only setup. Giving up full conference membership would make them more vulnerable to getting kicked to the curb at any point.

Like you would know anything about that...oh wait...sorry Idaho :(


It would have to be like the Big Sky does for UC-Davis/Cal Poly and the AAC does for Navy - they are one-sport MEMBERS of the conference, not affiliates. Membership termination would be mutual. If Idaho and NMSU had that same deal, they would still be in the Sun Belt playing football.

(10-20-2021 07:23 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:14 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:11 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 05:38 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I agree that an NMSU addition is unlikely, because if the MWC loses Boise State to the Big 12 then it will probably have to backfill with UTEP, and then CUSA would be right back to having an outlier on the far western fringe of the conference.

I think the better solution for CUSA would be to keep UTEP as a football-only member. UTEP's non-football sports could move to the WAC, and to backfill CUSA could add either UTA or UALR. Both of those schools are reportedly being pushed out of the Sun Belt, and both are a close enough drive to Ruston (3-4 hours) to serve as a convenient travel partner for Louisiana Tech.

Of course this assumes that the strategy of adding Liberty and JMU succeeds so that the conference still meets the minimum requirement of having eight FBS schools as full members. If it turns out UTEP must remain a full member to ensure that requirement is met, another option is to add both UTA and UALR to serve as non-football sports travel partners for UTEP and Louisiana Tech respectively.

If I were UTEP I'd want to be very, very careful about a football-only setup. Giving up full conference membership would make them more vulnerable to getting kicked to the curb at any point.

You can set up a deal where you are a member of the conference in the sport with full rights as any other member. It doesn't have to be an affiliation

Are there any schools that are considered full members of 2 different D1 conferences?

Yes, your own Big Sky. (repeating previous post). UC-Davis and Cal Poly are single sport MEMBERS of the Big Sky.

(10-20-2021 07:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:23 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:14 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:11 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 05:38 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I agree that an NMSU addition is unlikely, because if the MWC loses Boise State to the Big 12 then it will probably have to backfill with UTEP, and then CUSA would be right back to having an outlier on the far western fringe of the conference.

I think the better solution for CUSA would be to keep UTEP as a football-only member. UTEP's non-football sports could move to the WAC, and to backfill CUSA could add either UTA or UALR. Both of those schools are reportedly being pushed out of the Sun Belt, and both are a close enough drive to Ruston (3-4 hours) to serve as a convenient travel partner for Louisiana Tech.

Of course this assumes that the strategy of adding Liberty and JMU succeeds so that the conference still meets the minimum requirement of having eight FBS schools as full members. If it turns out UTEP must remain a full member to ensure that requirement is met, another option is to add both UTA and UALR to serve as non-football sports travel partners for UTEP and Louisiana Tech respectively.

If I were UTEP I'd want to be very, very careful about a football-only setup. Giving up full conference membership would make them more vulnerable to getting kicked to the curb at any point.

You can set up a deal where you are a member of the conference in the sport with full rights as any other member. It doesn't have to be an affiliation

Are there any schools that are considered full members of 2 different D1 conferences?

Yes, your own Big Sky. (repeating previous post). UC-Davis and Cal Poly are single sport MEMBERS of the Big Sky.

Thanks for the info. As always, my knowledge of Big Sky football is matched only by my interest in it.

(10-20-2021 10:03 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I fear the American has made the same mistake C-USA made in 2013 and chased markets that don't seem to care about the teams that play in them. The remaining C-USA schools SHOULD rebrand, but they are absolutely no worse off than they were before, and they are left with some good football and basketball programs.

It could be the next Conf USA…. But probably won’t be.

Why? The landscape was a lot more competitive then. There was a lot more parity. But today, we are in the M&A dog eat dog environment. It’s unlikely a top 6-7 FBS conference is going to fail. The gap is so far between the American and the bottom FBS and FCS. Those that get the call up will be at such a disadvantage to start. Likewise, the AAC is facing the same challenges when looking up at the ACC and Big 12. But it’s not like there are 4-5 other conferences that you are competing with. Competition is being culled. The AAC will remain miles ahead of the Sun Belt and perhaps the MWC if things break right. It is entrenched and has anchored itself with brands and footprints.

(10-20-2021 07:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:23 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:14 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:11 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 05:38 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I agree that an NMSU addition is unlikely, because if the MWC loses Boise State to the Big 12 then it will probably have to backfill with UTEP, and then CUSA would be right back to having an outlier on the far western fringe of the conference.

I think the better solution for CUSA would be to keep UTEP as a football-only member. UTEP's non-football sports could move to the WAC, and to backfill CUSA could add either UTA or UALR. Both of those schools are reportedly being pushed out of the Sun Belt, and both are a close enough drive to Ruston (3-4 hours) to serve as a convenient travel partner for Louisiana Tech.

Of course this assumes that the strategy of adding Liberty and JMU succeeds so that the conference still meets the minimum requirement of having eight FBS schools as full members. If it turns out UTEP must remain a full member to ensure that requirement is met, another option is to add both UTA and UALR to serve as non-football sports travel partners for UTEP and Louisiana Tech respectively.

If I were UTEP I'd want to be very, very careful about a football-only setup. Giving up full conference membership would make them more vulnerable to getting kicked to the curb at any point.

You can set up a deal where you are a member of the conference in the sport with full rights as any other member. It doesn't have to be an affiliation

Are there any schools that are considered full members of 2 different D1 conferences?

Yes, your own Big Sky. (repeating previous post). UC-Davis and Cal Poly are single sport MEMBERS of the Big Sky.

The Big Sky website says UC Davis and Cal Poly are football affiliates, meaning that they have the same status Idaho had as a football affiliate member of the Sun Belt. The conference makes a distinction between full members and one-sport affiliate members:

https://bigskyconf.com/news/2021/6/9/gen...-espn.aspx

Quote:The conference has 11 full members (Eastern Washington University; the University of Idaho; Idaho State University; the University of Montana; Montana State University; Northern Arizona University; the University of Northern Colorado; Portland State University; Sacramento State; Southern Utah University; and Weber State University) located in eight states across the western United States, plus two football affiliate members (Cal Poly and UC Davis) and two men’s golf affiliate members (Binghamton University and the University of Hartford).

(10-20-2021 08:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:23 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:14 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:11 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  If I were UTEP I'd want to be very, very careful about a football-only setup. Giving up full conference membership would make them more vulnerable to getting kicked to the curb at any point.

You can set up a deal where you are a member of the conference in the sport with full rights as any other member. It doesn't have to be an affiliation

Are there any schools that are considered full members of 2 different D1 conferences?

Yes, your own Big Sky. (repeating previous post). UC-Davis and Cal Poly are single sport MEMBERS of the Big Sky.

The Big Sky website says UC Davis and Cal Poly are football affiliates, meaning that they have the same status Idaho had as a football affiliate member of the Sun Belt. The conference makes a distinction between full members and one-sport affiliate members:

https://bigskyconf.com/news/2021/6/9/gen...-espn.aspx

Quote:The conference has 11 full members (Eastern Washington University; the University of Idaho; Idaho State University; the University of Montana; Montana State University; Northern Arizona University; the University of Northern Colorado; Portland State University; Sacramento State; Southern Utah University; and Weber State University) located in eight states across the western United States, plus two football affiliate [b]members (Cal Poly and UC Davis) and two men’s golf affiliate members (Binghamton University and the University of Hartford)[/b].

They are still members - i.e. unlike the two-year Sun Belt agreement that NMSU and Idaho had - they can't be terminated without mutual agreement. If Davis wanted to go FBS, they can go, but the BSC can't unilaterally end the membership, without cause.

Full members are obviously in all sports. Affliates MEMBERS are single sport


This is no different than the AAC with Navy. Navy has an exit fee. They can't be kicked out. But if you look at the school logos at the bottom of the AAC page, no Navy link.

(10-20-2021 08:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 08:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:23 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 07:14 PM)solohawks Wrote:  You can set up a deal where you are a member of the conference in the sport with full rights as any other member. It doesn't have to be an affiliation

Are there any schools that are considered full members of 2 different D1 conferences?

Yes, your own Big Sky. (repeating previous post). UC-Davis and Cal Poly are single sport MEMBERS of the Big Sky.

The Big Sky website says UC Davis and Cal Poly are football affiliates, meaning that they have the same status Idaho had as a football affiliate member of the Sun Belt. The conference makes a distinction between full members and one-sport affiliate members:

https://bigskyconf.com/news/2021/6/9/gen...-espn.aspx

Quote:The conference has 11 full members (Eastern Washington University; the University of Idaho; Idaho State University; the University of Montana; Montana State University; Northern Arizona University; the University of Northern Colorado; Portland State University; Sacramento State; Southern Utah University; and Weber State University) located in eight states across the western United States, plus two football affiliate [b]members (Cal Poly and UC Davis) and two men’s golf affiliate members (Binghamton University and the University of Hartford)[/b].

They are still members - i.e. unlike the two-year Sun Belt agreement that NMSU and Idaho had - they can't be terminated without mutual agreement. If Davis wanted to go FBS, they can go, but the BSC can't unilaterally end the membership, without cause.

Full members are obviously in all sports. Affliates MEMBERS are single sport


This is no different than the AAC with Navy. Navy has an exit fee. They can't be kicked out. But if you look at the school logos at the bottom of the AAC page, no Navy link.

Exactly

Call it whatever you want but UTEP as a permanent football only member makes CUSA more attractive to all candidates not named NMSU, as opposed to having UTEP as a full member

(10-20-2021 02:54 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 10:19 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  I do not think CUSA adds NMSU; the issue being that UTEP is on an island right now and trying to get out desperately. Why get stuck with another school on an island?

Assuming the six-to-AAC move happens, and if the SBC adds two CUSA teams, CUSA won’t have the luxury of being choosy. They will have only six remaining members in that case, and they need at least eight full members playing football in the conference to keep FBS-conference status.

It’s probably also safe to assume that UConn and UMass have absolutely no interest in becoming full members of CUSA, and that no SBC teams are moving to CUSA.

That means CUSA’s only alternatives, in this scenario, are (1) Add both NMSU and Liberty as full members to get to eight; (2) Add programs that would transition from FCS to FBS, (3) Some combination of 1 and 2, or (4) Give up FBS-conference status. And, if the SBC for some reason adds four CUSA teams, then 2, 3, and 4 become CUSA’s only options.

If you can get a solid 10-team league. UConn and UMass will take the football only lifeboat. I think Texas State is a possible get for C-USA but you gotta make the moves now.

I'd say...

C-USA West
NMSU
UTEP
LaTech
MTSU
WKU

C-USA
Liberty
ODU
FIU
UConn
UMass

We have to assume Marshall and Southern Miss is a done deal. Judy needs to work overtime with a real plan. She should follow the Sun Belt guide that worked for them 6 in the west that fit the footprint and 6 in the east that does the same.

(10-21-2021 12:55 AM)Realignment Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:54 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 10:19 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  I do not think CUSA adds NMSU; the issue being that UTEP is on an island right now and trying to get out desperately. Why get stuck with another school on an island?

Assuming the six-to-AAC move happens, and if the SBC adds two CUSA teams, CUSA won’t have the luxury of being choosy. They will have only six remaining members in that case, and they need at least eight full members playing football in the conference to keep FBS-conference status.

It’s probably also safe to assume that UConn and UMass have absolutely no interest in becoming full members of CUSA, and that no SBC teams are moving to CUSA.

That means CUSA’s only alternatives, in this scenario, are (1) Add both NMSU and Liberty as full members to get to eight; (2) Add programs that would transition from FCS to FBS, (3) Some combination of 1 and 2, or (4) Give up FBS-conference status. And, if the SBC for some reason adds four CUSA teams, then 2, 3, and 4 become CUSA’s only options.

If you can get a solid 10-team league. UConn and UMass will take the football only lifeboat. I think Texas State is a possible get for C-USA but you gotta make the moves now.

I'd say...

C-USA West
NMSU
UTEP
LaTech
MTSU
WKU

C-USA
Liberty
ODU
FIU
UConn
UMass

We have to assume Marshall and Southern Miss is a done deal. Judy needs to work overtime with a real plan. She should follow the Sun Belt guide that worked for them 6 in the west that fit the footprint and 6 in the east that does the same.

Yeah but ODU would be gone too, w/ JMU to the SBC. So you'd have to replace them w/ EKU or JSU or (Missouri St. and move MTSU east)

(10-21-2021 01:25 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 12:55 AM)Realignment Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:54 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 10:19 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  I do not think CUSA adds NMSU; the issue being that UTEP is on an island right now and trying to get out desperately. Why get stuck with another school on an island?

Assuming the six-to-AAC move happens, and if the SBC adds two CUSA teams, CUSA won’t have the luxury of being choosy. They will have only six remaining members in that case, and they need at least eight full members playing football in the conference to keep FBS-conference status.

It’s probably also safe to assume that UConn and UMass have absolutely no interest in becoming full members of CUSA, and that no SBC teams are moving to CUSA.

That means CUSA’s only alternatives, in this scenario, are (1) Add both NMSU and Liberty as full members to get to eight; (2) Add programs that would transition from FCS to FBS, (3) Some combination of 1 and 2, or (4) Give up FBS-conference status. And, if the SBC for some reason adds four CUSA teams, then 2, 3, and 4 become CUSA’s only options.

If you can get a solid 10-team league. UConn and UMass will take the football only lifeboat. I think Texas State is a possible get for C-USA but you gotta make the moves now.

I'd say...

C-USA West
NMSU
UTEP
LaTech
MTSU
WKU

C-USA
Liberty
ODU
FIU
UConn
UMass

We have to assume Marshall and Southern Miss is a done deal. Judy needs to work overtime with a real plan. She should follow the Sun Belt guide that worked for them 6 in the west that fit the footprint and 6 in the east that does the same.

Yeah but ODU would be gone too, w/ JMU to the SBC. So you'd have to replace them w/ EKU or JSU or (Missouri St. and move MTSU east)

And we also have reports of the MAC running in and devastating conference USA with a steel chair taking Middle Tennessee and Western Kentucky.