(10-20-2021 03:29 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Temple just need to learn to cheat better.

Come on guys.

Legal now

Question, would Navy want to be in a division with the Texas schools?

(10-20-2021 09:37 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Question, would Navy want to be in a division with the Texas schools?

Are you slow?

(10-20-2021 09:46 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 09:37 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Question, would Navy want to be in a division with the Texas schools?

Are you slow?

(10-20-2021 09:46 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 09:37 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Question, would Navy want to be in a division with the Texas schools?

Are you slow?

You mean like retarded? Special needs? Use the ADA card to my advantage when needed?

(10-19-2021 11:21 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  There is a lot of angst and dismay on Temple's message boards. A lot of their fans want out.

Temple should ask the A10 and MAC and UMASS if they can go back to the original plan of A10 plus football in MAC. WKU & MTSU might also be joining the MAC and CUSA folds.

Mountain West should add UTEP and invite Navy football only to off-set Hawaii.

Then the new-ACC looks pretty balanced geographically.

(10-21-2021 01:49 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:21 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  There is a lot of angst and dismay on Temple's message boards. A lot of their fans want out.

Temple should ask the A10 and MAC and UMASS if they can go back to the original plan of A10 plus football in MAC. WKU & MTSU might also be joining the MAC and CUSA folds.

Mountain West should add UTEP and invite Navy football only to off-set Hawaii.

Then the new-ACC looks pretty balanced geographically.

I think people are just really OCD that they can’t handle that little T up top….

Temple’s not going anywhere, and the concept you (and others) have pitched is not good.

Temple won this conference in both big sports 5 years ago…..why would they take less money and exposure just to play basketball with St Bonaventure?

(10-20-2021 09:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’m not sure why this conference lets Navy tell them where they get to play. They are going to only win 3 games in a season for the 3rd time in 4 years as a football only member. Tell em to play where it makes geographic sense for the conference or they can pay an ext fee and go Indy.

Same reason why the AAC allows Navy to have their own tv deal with CBS/CBS Sports own ALL Navy Home Games)...because Navy has clout.

Navy only agreed to join the AAC if they were in the WEST so they would have access/exposure to Texas.Markets, plus, all private schools in the conf were in the West too (Tulsa, Tulane, SMU and Navy). Navy didn't want to be in a division with HUGE public schools (normally with better football).

That's why AAC allowed Navy to call.the shots.

(10-21-2021 07:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 09:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’m not sure why this conference lets Navy tell them where they get to play. They are going to only win 3 games in a season for the 3rd time in 4 years as a football only member. Tell em to play where it makes geographic sense for the conference or they can pay an ext fee and go Indy.

Same reason why the AAC allows Navy to have their own tv deal with CBS/CBS Sports own ALL Navy Home Games)...because Navy has clout.

Navy only agreed to join the AAC if they were in the WEST so they would have access/exposure to Texas.Markets, plus, all private schools in the conf were in the West too (Tulsa, Tulane, SMU and Navy). Navy didn't want to be in a division with HUGE public schools (normally with better football).

That's why AAC allowed Navy to call.the shots.

I’m good with the preferential treatment for Navy. Once the conference resets with the new members in and the old members out, as long as Navy is a permanent cross divisional opponent with Temple, I’m good.

(10-21-2021 07:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 09:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’m not sure why this conference lets Navy tell them where they get to play. They are going to only win 3 games in a season for the 3rd time in 4 years as a football only member. Tell em to play where it makes geographic sense for the conference or they can pay an ext fee and go Indy.

Same reason why the AAC allows Navy to have their own tv deal with CBS/CBS Sports own ALL Navy Home Games)...because Navy has clout.

Navy only agreed to join the AAC if they were in the WEST so they would have access/exposure to Texas.Markets, plus, all private schools in the conf were in the West too (Tulsa, Tulane, SMU and Navy). Navy didn't want to be in a division with HUGE public schools (normally with better football).

That's why AAC allowed Navy to call.the shots.

I’ve never understood the navy football has clout thing and I was in the Navy.

They play one big game a year against Army and that is all theirs. They are otherwise Tulane on a good day. They are generally bad with a couple great years sprinkled in since the post WWII glory days.

Navy's clout comes from their built in nationwide fan base. It helps attendance, no matter where they play, they have a number of supporters in that city that come to the games. Most importantly, however, is the number of tv viewers it adds to any given game they play in.

Many more factors involved besides what your football record has been the last few years in determining clout.

What has Navy really done for this conference except keep conference mate’s orthopedic surgeons busy with knees?

(10-21-2021 02:04 AM)Wingdestroyer Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 01:49 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:21 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  There is a lot of angst and dismay on Temple's message boards. A lot of their fans want out.

Temple should ask the A10 and MAC and UMASS if they can go back to the original plan of A10 plus football in MAC. WKU & MTSU might also be joining the MAC and CUSA folds.

Mountain West should add UTEP and invite Navy football only to off-set Hawaii.

Then the new-ACC looks pretty balanced geographically.

I think people are just really OCD that they can’t handle that little T up top….

Temple’s not going anywhere, and the concept you (and others) have pitched is not good.

Temple won this conference in both big sports 5 years ago…..why would they take less money and exposure just to play basketball with St Bonaventure?

Most of the angst and dismay on the Temple boards, at least by word count, is from Milwaukee/Jed/granger. There are a few others who have always been anti-football* and are amplified by recent developments.

*I don’t know if other fan bases have this dynamic, but there are 2 distinct groups of Temple fans on boards: one group supports football and basketball and believes excellence can occur simultaneously in both; the second group believes that the ascendancy of football directly leads to the diminishment of basketball and that the basketball team would win the NC if football were dropped or followed the UConn model. This group also believes in Q.

(10-21-2021 08:55 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 02:04 AM)Wingdestroyer Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 01:49 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:21 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  There is a lot of angst and dismay on Temple's message boards. A lot of their fans want out.

Temple should ask the A10 and MAC and UMASS if they can go back to the original plan of A10 plus football in MAC. WKU & MTSU might also be joining the MAC and CUSA folds.

Mountain West should add UTEP and invite Navy football only to off-set Hawaii.

Then the new-ACC looks pretty balanced geographically.

I think people are just really OCD that they can’t handle that little T up top….

Temple’s not going anywhere, and the concept you (and others) have pitched is not good.

Temple won this conference in both big sports 5 years ago…..why would they take less money and exposure just to play basketball with St Bonaventure?

Most of the angst and dismay on the Temple boards, at least by word count, is from Milwaukee/Jed/granger. There are a few others who have always been anti-football* and are amplified by recent developments.

*I don’t know if other fan bases have this dynamic, but there are 2 distinct groups of Temple fans on boards: one group supports football and basketball and believes excellence can occur simultaneously in both; the second group believes that the ascendancy of football directly leads to the diminishment of basketball and that the basketball team would win the NC if football were dropped or followed the UConn model. This group also believes in Q.

lol

The Big 12's footprint just grew to from Orlando to Provo. While the 14 team American's footprint goes from Philadelphia to San Antonio. Will travel be a factor? Will the American keep nipping at the Big 12's heels?

(10-21-2021 08:15 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What has Navy really done for this conference except keep conference mate’s orthopedic surgeons busy with knees?

JUST the Notre Dame at Navy game every other year was bringing our fair share of football viewers to the ESPN deal.

8 million viewers every year hearing how tough the American is, is good for the conference even if the Army-Navy game doesn't bring any money.

How many nB12 schools are in the Top25 all time DI wins? One.
How many AAC schools are in the Top25 all time DI wins? One - Navy.
Add in the national championship, the two Heismans...not to mention TV loves us because we're an "Easy Button" for producers.

Your comment on W-L is laughably wrong.
Look at 2003-2020...only three losing seasons in that timespan, and only one of the winning seasons less than 8 wins. Multiple double digit win seasons. Multiple end of year rankings. AAC record since 2015 Navy is 31-20, fourth best and better than you stinky weasels.

Rather than proliferate the myth of knees (I challenge you to name ONE Cincy D-Lineman who didn't make the start after the Navy game in '17 or '18)...you should get down and your knees and...THANK Navy for being nationally relevant when the AAC needed it

(10-21-2021 08:55 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 02:04 AM)Wingdestroyer Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 01:49 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:21 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  There is a lot of angst and dismay on Temple's message boards. A lot of their fans want out.

Temple should ask the A10 and MAC and UMASS if they can go back to the original plan of A10 plus football in MAC. WKU & MTSU might also be joining the MAC and CUSA folds.

Mountain West should add UTEP and invite Navy football only to off-set Hawaii.

Then the new-ACC looks pretty balanced geographically.

I think people are just really OCD that they can’t handle that little T up top….

Temple’s not going anywhere, and the concept you (and others) have pitched is not good.

Temple won this conference in both big sports 5 years ago…..why would they take less money and exposure just to play basketball with St Bonaventure?

Most of the angst and dismay on the Temple boards, at least by word count, is from Milwaukee/Jed/granger. There are a few others who have always been anti-football* and are amplified by recent developments.

*I don’t know if other fan bases have this dynamic, but there are 2 distinct groups of Temple fans on boards: one group supports football and basketball and believes excellence can occur simultaneously in both; the second group believes that the ascendancy of football directly leads to the diminishment of basketball and that the basketball team would win the NC if football were dropped or followed the UConn model. This group also believes in Q.

LOL. Well we have similar split but not basketball related. We have the ones that think we should be in ACC eventhough we haven’t accomplished much and if not we should just end football and then we have the second group that realizes the mistakes of past administrations and that our fan based was spoiled by early success. Right now I’m staying out of those boards because I’m sure the doomsday people are out in force. With time cooler heads will prevail and hopefully we start focusing on being successful where we are and grow from there.
USF will be fine long term.

So in 2023

EAST Division
Temple, ECU, Charlotte,USF,FAU,UAB, Memphis
WEST Division
SMU,North Texas,UTSA,Rice,Tulane,Tulsa,Navy/ Wichita State

(10-21-2021 08:55 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 02:04 AM)Wingdestroyer Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 01:49 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:21 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  There is a lot of angst and dismay on Temple's message boards. A lot of their fans want out.

Temple should ask the A10 and MAC and UMASS if they can go back to the original plan of A10 plus football in MAC. WKU & MTSU might also be joining the MAC and CUSA folds.

Mountain West should add UTEP and invite Navy football only to off-set Hawaii.

Then the new-ACC looks pretty balanced geographically.

I think people are just really OCD that they can’t handle that little T up top….

Temple’s not going anywhere, and the concept you (and others) have pitched is not good.

Temple won this conference in both big sports 5 years ago…..why would they take less money and exposure just to play basketball with St Bonaventure?

Most of the angst and dismay on the Temple boards, at least by word count, is from Milwaukee/Jed/granger. There are a few others who have always been anti-football* and are amplified by recent developments.

*I don’t know if other fan bases have this dynamic, but there are 2 distinct groups of Temple fans on boards: one group supports football and basketball and believes excellence can occur simultaneously in both; the second group believes that the ascendancy of football directly leads to the diminishment of basketball and that the basketball team would win the NC if football were dropped or followed the UConn model. This group also believes in Q.

UC fought this in the fanbase a couple decades ago. Some of the basketball only fans were constantly threatened by football wanting to improve and how football drives the bus in athletic departments.

(10-21-2021 08:15 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What has Navy really done for this conference except keep conference mate’s orthopedic surgeons busy with knees?

It can be argued Navy is the only brand the American has. Navy-Notre Dame, Navy-Army draw nationally.