Since for whatever reason the "Temple" thread was literally deleted minutes after I spent time to offer a lengthy response. I'd love to know the reason why that thread was deleted? As it is, I didn't want MY time wasted. This what I posted on that thread. It's relevant to this topic too...

Temple's in a tough spot due to its institutional ideology and quirks. We've never had a rah-rah athletic culture as a result of our commuter roots, facility hurdles, administrative decisions and the influence of pro sports in Philadelphia. Football has generally been awful with a few, and i mean a few, blips of any type of success. I was a student during the period when the Owls were kicked out of the Big East and forced briefly into Independence. It also coincided with the slide of the basketball program under Chaney. Obviously those associated with Temple acknowledge both events happened while Adamany was president. He was unfortunately a lost soul when it came to blending successful academics and college athletics at an urban university. He very much brought a "Wayne State Mentality" to Philadelphia which proved to be nearly catastrophic. Arguably was catastrophic....

Basketball still has a a relatively high ceiling but the right pieces need to be in place. I've seen nothing from McKie that suggests he's ready to re-establish Temple as a tournament regular (who actually wins games) and a program that has a steady presence in the Top 25. Temple has not been to the Sweet 16 since 2001 or spent a single week in the AP Top 25 since March 2012.

I just don't see how the AAC will be a sustainable model for Temple moving forward; especially if Memphis and SMU defect. The other schools (and its a combo of our fault and legit geographical/institutional dynamics) simply are not going to move the needle at Temple. In fact, there's already a growing sentiment of how Temple is out place which is justified. That wave of momentum will only pick up steam as reality sets in.

What is the honest average attendance threshold for football remaining at the Linc? 10k? How many people are going to show up on a Wednesday night in the winter to see a so-so Temple team play a team with little national notoriety (history) who hails from 1000+ miles away ? 2,500 to 3,500 people? Enough to fill McGonigle? We haven't been able to recruit that key player that excites the local hoops fan, put a product on the court that also draws the casual observer in or play a steady diet of teams that stir the masses.

(10-19-2021 09:14 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  Since for whatever reason the "Temple" thread was literally deleted minutes after I spent time to offer a lengthy response. I'd love to know the reason why that thread was deleted? As it is, I didn't want MY time wasted. This what I posted on that thread. It's relevant to this topic too...

Temple's in a tough spot due to its institutional ideology and quirks. We've never had a rah-rah athletic culture as a result of our commuter roots, facility hurdles, administrative decisions and the influence of pro sports in Philadelphia. Football has generally been awful with a few, and i mean a few, blips of any type of success. I was a student during the period when the Owls were kicked out of the Big East and forced briefly into Independence. It also coincided with the slide of the basketball program under Chaney. Obviously those associated with Temple acknowledge both events happened while Adamany was president. He was unfortunately a lost soul when it came to blending successful academics and college athletics at an urban university. He very much brought a "Wayne State Mentality" to Philadelphia which proved to be nearly catastrophic. Arguably was catastrophic....

Basketball still has a a relatively high ceiling but the right pieces need to be in place. I've seen nothing from McKie that suggests he's ready to re-establish Temple as a tournament regular (who actually wins games) and a program that has a steady presence in the Top 25. Temple has not been to the Sweet 16 since 2001 or spent a single week in the AP Top 25 since March 2012.

I just don't see how the AAC will be a sustainable model for Temple moving forward; especially if Memphis and SMU defect. The other schools (and its a combo of our fault and legit geographical/institutional dynamics) simply are not going to move the needle at Temple. In fact, there's already a growing sentiment of how Temple is out place which is justified. That wave of momentum will only pick up steam as reality sets in.

What is the honest average attendance threshold for football remaining at the Linc? 10k? How many people are going to show up on a Wednesday night in the winter to see a so-so Temple team play a team with little national notoriety (history) who hails from 1000+ miles away ? 2,500 to 3,500 people? Enough to fill McGonigle? We haven't been able to recruit that key player that excites the local hoops fan, put a product on the court that also draws the casual observer in or play a steady diet of teams that stir the masses.

Temple should definitely try to pull a UConn.

(10-19-2021 09:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:14 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  Since for whatever reason the "Temple" thread was literally deleted minutes after I spent time to offer a lengthy response. I'd love to know the reason why that thread was deleted? As it is, I didn't want MY time wasted. This what I posted on that thread. It's relevant to this topic too...

Temple's in a tough spot due to its institutional ideology and quirks. We've never had a rah-rah athletic culture as a result of our commuter roots, facility hurdles, administrative decisions and the influence of pro sports in Philadelphia. Football has generally been awful with a few, and i mean a few, blips of any type of success. I was a student during the period when the Owls were kicked out of the Big East and forced briefly into Independence. It also coincided with the slide of the basketball program under Chaney. Obviously those associated with Temple acknowledge both events happened while Adamany was president. He was unfortunately a lost soul when it came to blending successful academics and college athletics at an urban university. He very much brought a "Wayne State Mentality" to Philadelphia which proved to be nearly catastrophic. Arguably was catastrophic....

Basketball still has a a relatively high ceiling but the right pieces need to be in place. I've seen nothing from McKie that suggests he's ready to re-establish Temple as a tournament regular (who actually wins games) and a program that has a steady presence in the Top 25. Temple has not been to the Sweet 16 since 2001 or spent a single week in the AP Top 25 since March 2012.

I just don't see how the AAC will be a sustainable model for Temple moving forward; especially if Memphis and SMU defect. The other schools (and its a combo of our fault and legit geographical/institutional dynamics) simply are not going to move the needle at Temple. In fact, there's already a growing sentiment of how Temple is out place which is justified. That wave of momentum will only pick up steam as reality sets in.

What is the honest average attendance threshold for football remaining at the Linc? 10k? How many people are going to show up on a Wednesday night in the winter to see a so-so Temple team play a team with little national notoriety (history) who hails from 1000+ miles away ? 2,500 to 3,500 people? Enough to fill McGonigle? We haven't been able to recruit that key player that excites the local hoops fan, put a product on the court that also draws the casual observer in or play a steady diet of teams that stir the masses.

Temple should definitely try to pull a UConn.

Too many Temple fans wallow in self pity. Instead of complaining about circumstance, the basketball and football teams could, you know, actually start winning and performing. Temple has no excuses not to be a top tier program in the AAC. Winning cures all ills.

(10-19-2021 08:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:41 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:21 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  There is a lot of angst and dismay on Temple's message boards. A lot of their fans want out.

It’s not going to happen. There is no better alternative. None even close.

Follow UConn and UMass?

Is that some sort of sick joke?

(10-19-2021 09:14 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  Since for whatever reason the "Temple" thread was literally deleted minutes after I spent time to offer a lengthy response. I'd love to know the reason why that thread was deleted? As it is, I didn't want MY time wasted. This what I posted on that thread. It's relevant to this topic too...

Temple's in a tough spot due to its institutional ideology and quirks. We've never had a rah-rah athletic culture as a result of our commuter roots, facility hurdles, administrative decisions and the influence of pro sports in Philadelphia. Football has generally been awful with a few, and i mean a few, blips of any type of success. I was a student during the period when the Owls were kicked out of the Big East and forced briefly into Independence. It also coincided with the slide of the basketball program under Chaney. Obviously those associated with Temple acknowledge both events happened while Adamany was president. He was unfortunately a lost soul when it came to blending successful academics and college athletics at an urban university. He very much brought a "Wayne State Mentality" to Philadelphia which proved to be nearly catastrophic. Arguably was catastrophic....

Basketball still has a a relatively high ceiling but the right pieces need to be in place. I've seen nothing from McKie that suggests he's ready to re-establish Temple as a tournament regular (who actually wins games) and a program that has a steady presence in the Top 25. Temple has not been to the Sweet 16 since 2001 or spent a single week in the AP Top 25 since March 2012.

I just don't see how the AAC will be a sustainable model for Temple moving forward; especially if Memphis and SMU defect. The other schools (and its a combo of our fault and legit geographical/institutional dynamics) simply are not going to move the needle at Temple. In fact, there's already a growing sentiment of how Temple is out place which is justified. That wave of momentum will only pick up steam as reality sets in.

What is the honest average attendance threshold for football remaining at the Linc? 10k? How many people are going to show up on a Wednesday night in the winter to see a so-so Temple team play a team with little national notoriety (history) who hails from 1000+ miles away ? 2,500 to 3,500 people? Enough to fill McGonigle? We haven't been able to recruit that key player that excites the local hoops fan, put a product on the court that also draws the casual observer in or play a steady diet of teams that stir the masses.

I understand what you have said, there are no easy answers, but would Temple as anIndy and A10 be any better? It wouldn’t be financially,nor exposure wise and it would end any hope of football success.
Temple needs better coaches that will bring them better results. In basketball there is no reason Temple shouldn’t be a top 5 team in this league year in, year out.

(10-19-2021 06:29 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 03:03 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 07:15 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Unless navy is forced to move to the east division it looks like Memphis will be moved east.


Sent from the Warp via the ruinous powers of Chaos!

It would probably make more sense for Tulane to move to the east instead of Memphis. Either way, Navy would likely stay in the west and would have a say in the decision.

Memphis is going east if this configuration ever actually plays a game.

Navy wants Tulane, Rice, SMU, Tulsa. UTSA and UNT are acceptable because it means an extra trip to Texas every year. This also means half of Navy's schedule is now against schools that share similar restrictions to themselves with the CIC series. 6 games a year versus privates or Academies is a nice set up for them. Of course SMU and Tulane are probably gone soon so then it's back to four with just Tulsa and Rice.

Wichita will be gone to the MW if Gonzaga turns them down again

Tulsa is isolated and won't have a partner to go MW with.

Temple and ECU have no better options.

USF, SMU, Tulane, and Memphis are B12 bound so I doubt this is ever an issue.

SMU and Memphis are likely the only schools with any P5 potential at the moment from the AAC. The Big 12 already has roots in Florida thanks to UCF - if schools want to recruit Tampa, it's an easy hour and a half drive for recruits and/or players' parents. Tulane could be a Rice-like add for the Big 12 (NOLA recruiting foothold and strong academics), but they bring little from an athletics perspective.

SMU makes sense geographically and the Big 12 needs an academic boost given that UT left (and OU isn't shabby relative to what's left in the Big 12). The question is whether TCU and Baylor would be ok with them; it's not like the Big 12 doesn't already recruit Dallas hard. While SMU can be a top 25 school in almost any given year, they don't quite have the level of consistency that a Baylor or TCU have in football (TCU) and MBB (Baylor), but I certainly don't think they'd be a doormat in football. Memphis obviously has great basketball and a more consistent football program, but it would easily be the worst academic school in the conference. They would give the Big 12 another recruiting hub that it doesn't already widely recruit.

(10-19-2021 08:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:41 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:21 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  There is a lot of angst and dismay on Temple's message boards. A lot of their fans want out.

It’s not going to happen. There is no better alternative. None even close.

Follow UConn and UMass?

Yes, follow them in to oblivion.

(10-19-2021 09:31 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:14 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  Since for whatever reason the "Temple" thread was literally deleted minutes after I spent time to offer a lengthy response. I'd love to know the reason why that thread was deleted? As it is, I didn't want MY time wasted. This what I posted on that thread. It's relevant to this topic too...

Temple's in a tough spot due to its institutional ideology and quirks. We've never had a rah-rah athletic culture as a result of our commuter roots, facility hurdles, administrative decisions and the influence of pro sports in Philadelphia. Football has generally been awful with a few, and i mean a few, blips of any type of success. I was a student during the period when the Owls were kicked out of the Big East and forced briefly into Independence. It also coincided with the slide of the basketball program under Chaney. Obviously those associated with Temple acknowledge both events happened while Adamany was president. He was unfortunately a lost soul when it came to blending successful academics and college athletics at an urban university. He very much brought a "Wayne State Mentality" to Philadelphia which proved to be nearly catastrophic. Arguably was catastrophic....

Basketball still has a a relatively high ceiling but the right pieces need to be in place. I've seen nothing from McKie that suggests he's ready to re-establish Temple as a tournament regular (who actually wins games) and a program that has a steady presence in the Top 25. Temple has not been to the Sweet 16 since 2001 or spent a single week in the AP Top 25 since March 2012.

I just don't see how the AAC will be a sustainable model for Temple moving forward; especially if Memphis and SMU defect. The other schools (and its a combo of our fault and legit geographical/institutional dynamics) simply are not going to move the needle at Temple. In fact, there's already a growing sentiment of how Temple is out place which is justified. That wave of momentum will only pick up steam as reality sets in.

What is the honest average attendance threshold for football remaining at the Linc? 10k? How many people are going to show up on a Wednesday night in the winter to see a so-so Temple team play a team with little national notoriety (history) who hails from 1000+ miles away ? 2,500 to 3,500 people? Enough to fill McGonigle? We haven't been able to recruit that key player that excites the local hoops fan, put a product on the court that also draws the casual observer in or play a steady diet of teams that stir the masses.

Temple should definitely try to pull a UConn.

Too many Temple fans wallow in self pity. Instead of complaining about circumstance, the basketball and football teams could, you know, actually start winning and performing. Temple has no excuses not to be a top tier program in the AAC. Winning cures all ills.

BOOM

Does Navy really need all those games in Texas??? Seems they’d be better off in the East with 3 interdivision games. Maybe it’s to be aligned more with the academic powerhouses in the west? Can they get by with 3 OOC games only (Army, ND, and flex?).

(10-20-2021 06:04 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Does Navy really need all those games in Texas??? Seems they’d be better off in the East with 3 interdivision games. Maybe it’s to be aligned more with the academic powerhouses in the west? Can they get by with 3 OOC games only (Army, ND, and flex?).

Why would they only have 3 OOC?. The plan still is to have 8 conference games and I don’t see that changing

(10-20-2021 08:21 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Why would they only have 3 OOC?. The plan still is to have 8 conference games and I don’t see that changing

Of course, if it's only 8 conf, then they may not play in Texas every year if they are in the East. Tulsa and Tulane would be the subs (possibly Memphis as well). So I expect them to stay west, especially if they remain at 8.

(10-20-2021 08:44 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 08:21 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Why would they only have 3 OOC?. The plan still is to have 8 conference games and I don’t see that changing

Of course, if it's only 8 conf, then they may not play in Texas every year if they are in the East. Tulsa and Tulane would be the subs (possibly Memphis as well). So I expect them to stay west, especially if they remain at 8.

They have always been in West that won’t change, they have never shown interest in being in an East Division.

These Western additions are perfect for Navy.

I’m not sure why this conference lets Navy tell them where they get to play. They are going to only win 3 games in a season for the 3rd time in 4 years as a football only member. Tell em to play where it makes geographic sense for the conference or they can pay an ext fee and go Indy.

(10-20-2021 09:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’m not sure why this conference lets Navy tell them where they get to play. They are going to only win 3 games in a season for the 3rd time in 4 years as a football only member. Tell em to play where it makes geographic sense for the conference or they can pay an ext fee and go Indy.

Because the schools and ESPN valueNavy in the AAC more than not having them there. I don’t think anyone is complaining about it.

(10-19-2021 09:31 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:14 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  Since for whatever reason the "Temple" thread was literally deleted minutes after I spent time to offer a lengthy response. I'd love to know the reason why that thread was deleted? As it is, I didn't want MY time wasted. This what I posted on that thread. It's relevant to this topic too...

Temple's in a tough spot due to its institutional ideology and quirks. We've never had a rah-rah athletic culture as a result of our commuter roots, facility hurdles, administrative decisions and the influence of pro sports in Philadelphia. Football has generally been awful with a few, and i mean a few, blips of any type of success. I was a student during the period when the Owls were kicked out of the Big East and forced briefly into Independence. It also coincided with the slide of the basketball program under Chaney. Obviously those associated with Temple acknowledge both events happened while Adamany was president. He was unfortunately a lost soul when it came to blending successful academics and college athletics at an urban university. He very much brought a "Wayne State Mentality" to Philadelphia which proved to be nearly catastrophic. Arguably was catastrophic....

Basketball still has a a relatively high ceiling but the right pieces need to be in place. I've seen nothing from McKie that suggests he's ready to re-establish Temple as a tournament regular (who actually wins games) and a program that has a steady presence in the Top 25. Temple has not been to the Sweet 16 since 2001 or spent a single week in the AP Top 25 since March 2012.

I just don't see how the AAC will be a sustainable model for Temple moving forward; especially if Memphis and SMU defect. The other schools (and its a combo of our fault and legit geographical/institutional dynamics) simply are not going to move the needle at Temple. In fact, there's already a growing sentiment of how Temple is out place which is justified. That wave of momentum will only pick up steam as reality sets in.

What is the honest average attendance threshold for football remaining at the Linc? 10k? How many people are going to show up on a Wednesday night in the winter to see a so-so Temple team play a team with little national notoriety (history) who hails from 1000+ miles away ? 2,500 to 3,500 people? Enough to fill McGonigle? We haven't been able to recruit that key player that excites the local hoops fan, put a product on the court that also draws the casual observer in or play a steady diet of teams that stir the masses.

Temple should definitely try to pull a UConn.

Too many Temple fans wallow in self pity. Instead of complaining about circumstance, the basketball and football teams could, you know, actually start winning and performing. Temple has no excuses not to be a top tier program in the AAC. Winning cures all ills.

I agree with the OP that Temple is in a tough spot, but there is potential in football, Al Golden and Matt Rhule have shown competent coaches are able to build a winner at Temple. Further divisions should be back, and the east will be very winnable for Temple, winning will help drive recruits onto the team. If Memphis moves East you can have a Memphis-Temple rivalry that'll transition into basketball.

I understand the basketball situation is not ideal. Temple's traditional rivals are not teams in Texas or in the Southeast, however, Temple always schedules a very competitive out of conference slate. Sure, Mckie as of now has not shown the ability to bring the program back into the spotlight, but it's too early to tell, he ran into COVID in year two. If Mckie can coach, he'll have the team positioned nicely to beat inferior competition when Cincy, Houston and UCF leave.

Sack up, Temple.

Philly is a tough as sh*t, gritty town full of tough as sh*t, gritty people. Just beat the hell out of the new AAC and stop complaining.

(10-20-2021 03:02 PM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:31 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:14 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  Since for whatever reason the "Temple" thread was literally deleted minutes after I spent time to offer a lengthy response. I'd love to know the reason why that thread was deleted? As it is, I didn't want MY time wasted. This what I posted on that thread. It's relevant to this topic too...

Temple's in a tough spot due to its institutional ideology and quirks. We've never had a rah-rah athletic culture as a result of our commuter roots, facility hurdles, administrative decisions and the influence of pro sports in Philadelphia. Football has generally been awful with a few, and i mean a few, blips of any type of success. I was a student during the period when the Owls were kicked out of the Big East and forced briefly into Independence. It also coincided with the slide of the basketball program under Chaney. Obviously those associated with Temple acknowledge both events happened while Adamany was president. He was unfortunately a lost soul when it came to blending successful academics and college athletics at an urban university. He very much brought a "Wayne State Mentality" to Philadelphia which proved to be nearly catastrophic. Arguably was catastrophic....

Basketball still has a a relatively high ceiling but the right pieces need to be in place. I've seen nothing from McKie that suggests he's ready to re-establish Temple as a tournament regular (who actually wins games) and a program that has a steady presence in the Top 25. Temple has not been to the Sweet 16 since 2001 or spent a single week in the AP Top 25 since March 2012.

I just don't see how the AAC will be a sustainable model for Temple moving forward; especially if Memphis and SMU defect. The other schools (and its a combo of our fault and legit geographical/institutional dynamics) simply are not going to move the needle at Temple. In fact, there's already a growing sentiment of how Temple is out place which is justified. That wave of momentum will only pick up steam as reality sets in.

What is the honest average attendance threshold for football remaining at the Linc? 10k? How many people are going to show up on a Wednesday night in the winter to see a so-so Temple team play a team with little national notoriety (history) who hails from 1000+ miles away ? 2,500 to 3,500 people? Enough to fill McGonigle? We haven't been able to recruit that key player that excites the local hoops fan, put a product on the court that also draws the casual observer in or play a steady diet of teams that stir the masses.

Temple should definitely try to pull a UConn.

Too many Temple fans wallow in self pity. Instead of complaining about circumstance, the basketball and football teams could, you know, actually start winning and performing. Temple has no excuses not to be a top tier program in the AAC. Winning cures all ills.

I agree with the OP that Temple is in a tough spot, but there is potential in football, Al Golden and Matt Rhule have shown competent coaches are able to build a winner at Temple. Further divisions should be back, and the east will be very winnable for Temple, winning will help drive recruits onto the team. If Memphis moves East you can have a Memphis-Temple rivalry that'll transition into basketball.

I understand the basketball situation is not ideal. Temple's traditional rivals are not teams in Texas or in the Southeast, however, Temple always schedules a very competitive out of conference slate. Sure, Mckie as of now has not shown the ability to bring the program back into the spotlight, but it's too early to tell, he ran into COVID in year two. If Mckie can coach, he'll have the team positioned nicely to beat inferior competition when Cincy, Houston and UCF leave.

Temple still schedules the big 5 every year. Say what you want about how lopsided it is with Nova atm but it’s still the biggest home game.

I get we only play them all once but then schedule some local OOCs.

It’s kind of not as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be honest. Just beat the bad teams….

Temple just need to learn to cheat better.

Come on guys.

(10-20-2021 03:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Temple just need to learn to cheat better.

Come on guys.

Legal now

(10-20-2021 03:02 PM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:31 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 09:14 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  Since for whatever reason the "Temple" thread was literally deleted minutes after I spent time to offer a lengthy response. I'd love to know the reason why that thread was deleted? As it is, I didn't want MY time wasted. This what I posted on that thread. It's relevant to this topic too...

Temple's in a tough spot due to its institutional ideology and quirks. We've never had a rah-rah athletic culture as a result of our commuter roots, facility hurdles, administrative decisions and the influence of pro sports in Philadelphia. Football has generally been awful with a few, and i mean a few, blips of any type of success. I was a student during the period when the Owls were kicked out of the Big East and forced briefly into Independence. It also coincided with the slide of the basketball program under Chaney. Obviously those associated with Temple acknowledge both events happened while Adamany was president. He was unfortunately a lost soul when it came to blending successful academics and college athletics at an urban university. He very much brought a "Wayne State Mentality" to Philadelphia which proved to be nearly catastrophic. Arguably was catastrophic....

Basketball still has a a relatively high ceiling but the right pieces need to be in place. I've seen nothing from McKie that suggests he's ready to re-establish Temple as a tournament regular (who actually wins games) and a program that has a steady presence in the Top 25. Temple has not been to the Sweet 16 since 2001 or spent a single week in the AP Top 25 since March 2012.

I just don't see how the AAC will be a sustainable model for Temple moving forward; especially if Memphis and SMU defect. The other schools (and its a combo of our fault and legit geographical/institutional dynamics) simply are not going to move the needle at Temple. In fact, there's already a growing sentiment of how Temple is out place which is justified. That wave of momentum will only pick up steam as reality sets in.

What is the honest average attendance threshold for football remaining at the Linc? 10k? How many people are going to show up on a Wednesday night in the winter to see a so-so Temple team play a team with little national notoriety (history) who hails from 1000+ miles away ? 2,500 to 3,500 people? Enough to fill McGonigle? We haven't been able to recruit that key player that excites the local hoops fan, put a product on the court that also draws the casual observer in or play a steady diet of teams that stir the masses.

Temple should definitely try to pull a UConn.

Too many Temple fans wallow in self pity. Instead of complaining about circumstance, the basketball and football teams could, you know, actually start winning and performing. Temple has no excuses not to be a top tier program in the AAC. Winning cures all ills.

I agree with the OP that Temple is in a tough spot, but there is potential in football, Al Golden and Matt Rhule have shown competent coaches are able to build a winner at Temple. Further divisions should be back, and the east will be very winnable for Temple, winning will help drive recruits onto the team. If Memphis moves East you can have a Memphis-Temple rivalry that'll transition into basketball.

I understand the basketball situation is not ideal. Temple's traditional rivals are not teams in Texas or in the Southeast, however, Temple always schedules a very competitive out of conference slate. Sure, Mckie as of now has not shown the ability to bring the program back into the spotlight, but it's too early to tell, he ran into COVID in year two. If Mckie can coach, he'll have the team positioned nicely to beat inferior competition when Cincy, Houston and UCF leave.

Excellent synopsis of Temples situation. However, our biggest problem in football has been coaching turnover. Our successful and even semi-successful coaches get poached, two of our last three coaches were only here two years. This creates real problems with continuity and recruiting.