Anybody on here know why Robinson ended up at Ill. State instead of NIU?

No

This is purely speculation but I believe Michigan state, Iowa and some big time programs were after him. From what I was told there were some concerns on the legitimacy of his ability to qualify and that interest faded.
I think him ending up at Illinois state falls in line with that but who knows.

I remember seeing him as a freshman at RL run for 300+ yards in a game I assumed he was a senior the way he stood out. After that game I posted on this site that NIU needed to go after him and (I believe his name was )Terrance Roby. Well we got one of those guys but not the right one.

Even though he wasn’t a huskie, it’s nice to see the success he’s having. He's a good kid and has a good family around him. I hope he can keep up what he’s doing and get paid, for what he’s doing he maybe the most underpaid player in the league due to going undrafted

(10-18-2021 07:00 AM)DPD Wrote:  This is purely speculation but I believe Michigan state, Iowa and some big time programs were after him. From what I was told there were some concerns on the legitimacy of his ability to qualify and that interest faded.
I think him ending up at Illinois state falls in line with that but who knows.

I remember seeing him as a freshman at RL run for 300+ yards in a game I assumed he was a senior the way he stood out. After that game I posted on this site that NIU needed to go after him and (I believe his name was )Terrance Roby. Well we got one of those guys but not the right one.

Even though he wasn’t a huskie, it’s nice to see the success he’s having. He's a good kid and has a good family around him. I hope he can keep up what he’s doing and get paid, for what he’s doing he maybe the most underpaid player in the league due to going undrafted

They need to change the rules for UDFA rbs. It's unfair for them to make little to nothing in their very short RB careers. Like Phillip Lindsay, who was the Denver workhorse. Made nothing leading the Denver rushing attack, and now he's a nobody in Houston.

(10-18-2021 08:38 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 07:00 AM)DPD Wrote:  This is purely speculation but I believe Michigan state, Iowa and some big time programs were after him. From what I was told there were some concerns on the legitimacy of his ability to qualify and that interest faded.
I think him ending up at Illinois state falls in line with that but who knows.

I remember seeing him as a freshman at RL run for 300+ yards in a game I assumed he was a senior the way he stood out. After that game I posted on this site that NIU needed to go after him and (I believe his name was )Terrance Roby. Well we got one of those guys but not the right one.

Even though he wasn’t a huskie, it’s nice to see the success he’s having. He's a good kid and has a good family around him. I hope he can keep up what he’s doing and get paid, for what he’s doing he maybe the most underpaid player in the league due to going undrafted

They need to change the rules for UDFA rbs. It's unfair for them to make little to nothing in their very short RB careers. Like Phillip Lindsay, who was the Denver workhorse. Made nothing leading the Denver rushing attack, and now he's a nobody in Houston.

I understand where you are coming from, but James Robinson was a UDFA most likely on a non-guaranteed contract that pays him an agreed salary for 1 season. After his one season was over he could have gone to any team for the desired salary that he was worth. If he doesn't get what he wants, he has the decision not to play. Does it suck? Yes, but is it any different in the private sector? No.

Now, do I think there should be team compensation and medical expenses paid if you are injured as an UDFA especially in training camp, yes I do. Unfortunately, the NFLPA has not been strong in that regards.

(10-18-2021 09:58 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 08:38 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 07:00 AM)DPD Wrote:  This is purely speculation but I believe Michigan state, Iowa and some big time programs were after him. From what I was told there were some concerns on the legitimacy of his ability to qualify and that interest faded.
I think him ending up at Illinois state falls in line with that but who knows.

I remember seeing him as a freshman at RL run for 300+ yards in a game I assumed he was a senior the way he stood out. After that game I posted on this site that NIU needed to go after him and (I believe his name was )Terrance Roby. Well we got one of those guys but not the right one.

Even though he wasn’t a huskie, it’s nice to see the success he’s having. He's a good kid and has a good family around him. I hope he can keep up what he’s doing and get paid, for what he’s doing he maybe the most underpaid player in the league due to going undrafted

They need to change the rules for UDFA rbs. It's unfair for them to make little to nothing in their very short RB careers. Like Phillip Lindsay, who was the Denver workhorse. Made nothing leading the Denver rushing attack, and now he's a nobody in Houston.

I understand where you are coming from, but James Robinson was a UDFA most likely on a non-guaranteed contract that pays him an agreed salary for 1 season. After his one season was over he could have gone to any team for the desired salary that he was worth. If he doesn't get what he wants, he has the decision not to play. Does it suck? Yes, but is it any different in the private sector? No.

Now, do I think there should be team compensation and medical expenses paid if you are injured as an UDFA especially in training camp, yes I do. Unfortunately, the NFLPA has not been strong in that regards.

No. He signed a three year contract as a UDFA. Now he's got to play it out. 3 years at $2M. This is different from the private sector, because it's unlikely you would have the influence to go from associate to key decision maker like CMO from the first time you stepped into the office.

https://sport-net.org/how-long-is-james-...-contract/

(10-18-2021 02:12 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 09:58 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 08:38 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 07:00 AM)DPD Wrote:  This is purely speculation but I believe Michigan state, Iowa and some big time programs were after him. From what I was told there were some concerns on the legitimacy of his ability to qualify and that interest faded.
I think him ending up at Illinois state falls in line with that but who knows.

I remember seeing him as a freshman at RL run for 300+ yards in a game I assumed he was a senior the way he stood out. After that game I posted on this site that NIU needed to go after him and (I believe his name was )Terrance Roby. Well we got one of those guys but not the right one.

Even though he wasn’t a huskie, it’s nice to see the success he’s having. He's a good kid and has a good family around him. I hope he can keep up what he’s doing and get paid, for what he’s doing he maybe the most underpaid player in the league due to going undrafted

They need to change the rules for UDFA rbs. It's unfair for them to make little to nothing in their very short RB careers. Like Phillip Lindsay, who was the Denver workhorse. Made nothing leading the Denver rushing attack, and now he's a nobody in Houston.

I understand where you are coming from, but James Robinson was a UDFA most likely on a non-guaranteed contract that pays him an agreed salary for 1 season. After his one season was over he could have gone to any team for the desired salary that he was worth. If he doesn't get what he wants, he has the decision not to play. Does it suck? Yes, but is it any different in the private sector? No.

Now, do I think there should be team compensation and medical expenses paid if you are injured as an UDFA especially in training camp, yes I do. Unfortunately, the NFLPA has not been strong in that regards.

No. He signed a three year contract as a UDFA. Now he's got to play it out. 3 years at $2M. This is different from the private sector, because it's unlikely you would have the influence to go from associate to key decision maker like CMO from the first time you stepped into the office.

https://sport-net.org/how-long-is-james-...-contract/

Correct, 3 year 2 million contract. Signing bonus of 25k is all that’s guaranteed. Injury is the biggest concern in that timeframe and an element not really in consideration in the private sector.

(10-18-2021 02:12 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 09:58 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 08:38 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 07:00 AM)DPD Wrote:  This is purely speculation but I believe Michigan state, Iowa and some big time programs were after him. From what I was told there were some concerns on the legitimacy of his ability to qualify and that interest faded.
I think him ending up at Illinois state falls in line with that but who knows.

I remember seeing him as a freshman at RL run for 300+ yards in a game I assumed he was a senior the way he stood out. After that game I posted on this site that NIU needed to go after him and (I believe his name was )Terrance Roby. Well we got one of those guys but not the right one.

Even though he wasn’t a huskie, it’s nice to see the success he’s having. He's a good kid and has a good family around him. I hope he can keep up what he’s doing and get paid, for what he’s doing he maybe the most underpaid player in the league due to going undrafted

They need to change the rules for UDFA rbs. It's unfair for them to make little to nothing in their very short RB careers. Like Phillip Lindsay, who was the Denver workhorse. Made nothing leading the Denver rushing attack, and now he's a nobody in Houston.

I understand where you are coming from, but James Robinson was a UDFA most likely on a non-guaranteed contract that pays him an agreed salary for 1 season. After his one season was over he could have gone to any team for the desired salary that he was worth. If he doesn't get what he wants, he has the decision not to play. Does it suck? Yes, but is it any different in the private sector? No.

Now, do I think there should be team compensation and medical expenses paid if you are injured as an UDFA especially in training camp, yes I do. Unfortunately, the NFLPA has not been strong in that regards.

No. He signed a three year contract as a UDFA. Now he's got to play it out. 3 years at $2M. This is different from the private sector, because it's unlikely you would have the influence to go from associate to key decision maker like CMO from the first time you stepped into the office.

https://sport-net.org/how-long-is-james-...-contract/

I didn't know he signed a 3 year contract and my bad for not checking that out. I agree 100% that he has to live with the terms of contract he signed. What I said was once the contract is over he can go to another team with a desired salary he feels he is worth just like the private sector. I didn't say in the middle of a contract that he can change his demands. But if he did, just like the private sector, the company can tell you to find another team that will pay you that much.

(10-18-2021 07:30 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 02:12 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 09:58 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 08:38 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 07:00 AM)DPD Wrote:  This is purely speculation but I believe Michigan state, Iowa and some big time programs were after him. From what I was told there were some concerns on the legitimacy of his ability to qualify and that interest faded.
I think him ending up at Illinois state falls in line with that but who knows.

I remember seeing him as a freshman at RL run for 300+ yards in a game I assumed he was a senior the way he stood out. After that game I posted on this site that NIU needed to go after him and (I believe his name was )Terrance Roby. Well we got one of those guys but not the right one.

Even though he wasn’t a huskie, it’s nice to see the success he’s having. He's a good kid and has a good family around him. I hope he can keep up what he’s doing and get paid, for what he’s doing he maybe the most underpaid player in the league due to going undrafted

They need to change the rules for UDFA rbs. It's unfair for them to make little to nothing in their very short RB careers. Like Phillip Lindsay, who was the Denver workhorse. Made nothing leading the Denver rushing attack, and now he's a nobody in Houston.

I understand where you are coming from, but James Robinson was a UDFA most likely on a non-guaranteed contract that pays him an agreed salary for 1 season. After his one season was over he could have gone to any team for the desired salary that he was worth. If he doesn't get what he wants, he has the decision not to play. Does it suck? Yes, but is it any different in the private sector? No.

Now, do I think there should be team compensation and medical expenses paid if you are injured as an UDFA especially in training camp, yes I do. Unfortunately, the NFLPA has not been strong in that regards.

No. He signed a three year contract as a UDFA. Now he's got to play it out. 3 years at $2M. This is different from the private sector, because it's unlikely you would have the influence to go from associate to key decision maker like CMO from the first time you stepped into the office.

https://sport-net.org/how-long-is-james-...-contract/

I didn't know he signed a 3 year contract and my bad for not checking that out. I agree 100% that he has to live with the terms of contract he signed. What I said was once the contract is over he can go to another team with a desired salary he feels he is worth just like the private sector. I didn't say in the middle of a contract that he can change his demands. But if he did, just like the private sector, the company can tell you to find another team that will pay you that much.

That's the tough part tough, running backs have such a short shelf life. That's the tough part about being an overly productive UDFA running back. At 23, he's got 7 more years is he remains at this elite level. Very low probability of that. Not even Todd Gurley a first rounder, was so lucky.

(10-18-2021 10:46 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 07:30 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 02:12 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 09:58 AM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 08:38 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  They need to change the rules for UDFA rbs. It's unfair for them to make little to nothing in their very short RB careers. Like Phillip Lindsay, who was the Denver workhorse. Made nothing leading the Denver rushing attack, and now he's a nobody in Houston.

I understand where you are coming from, but James Robinson was a UDFA most likely on a non-guaranteed contract that pays him an agreed salary for 1 season. After his one season was over he could have gone to any team for the desired salary that he was worth. If he doesn't get what he wants, he has the decision not to play. Does it suck? Yes, but is it any different in the private sector? No.

Now, do I think there should be team compensation and medical expenses paid if you are injured as an UDFA especially in training camp, yes I do. Unfortunately, the NFLPA has not been strong in that regards.

No. He signed a three year contract as a UDFA. Now he's got to play it out. 3 years at $2M. This is different from the private sector, because it's unlikely you would have the influence to go from associate to key decision maker like CMO from the first time you stepped into the office.

https://sport-net.org/how-long-is-james-...-contract/

I didn't know he signed a 3 year contract and my bad for not checking that out. I agree 100% that he has to live with the terms of contract he signed. What I said was once the contract is over he can go to another team with a desired salary he feels he is worth just like the private sector. I didn't say in the middle of a contract that he can change his demands. But if he did, just like the private sector, the company can tell you to find another team that will pay you that much.

That's the tough part tough, running backs have such a short shelf life. That's the tough part about being an overly productive UDFA running back. At 23, he's got 7 more years is he remains at this elite level. Very low probability of that. Not even Todd Gurley a first rounder, was so lucky.

Agree 100%! The percentage for a running back to go 4 years in the NFL without any knee damage has to be very low. And it is not necessarily that they cannot comeback from the injury, but they lose that little extra that made them cut perfectly or that quick step that made them hit the hole perfectly. That's what ends their career so soon.
If there is one sport that deserves guaranteed contracts, its football.

A classy organization would restructure his contract right away. But I guess that would be asking for too much. He's way overplayed his contract.

(10-19-2021 09:22 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  A classy organization would restructure his contract right away. But I guess that would be asking for too much. He's way overplayed his contract.

Agree, but that is assuming that the team has cap room space to restructure.

Unless you are Kirk Cousins, player salaries and the rules that govern players salaries will always be in the owners favor. This really s*cks especially playing a sport that will change your quality of life.

(10-17-2021 11:11 AM)parshooter34 Wrote:  Anybody on here know why Robinson ended up at Ill. State instead of NIU?

So here's what I got. Wanted to see if anyone remembered this. He was actually one of our recruits. He was here for a recruiting day but was being a real tool. Paying more attention to his phone more than anything else and Rod Carey never invited him back.

(10-20-2021 06:09 AM)parshooter34 Wrote:  

(10-17-2021 11:11 AM)parshooter34 Wrote:  Anybody on here know why Robinson ended up at Ill. State instead of NIU?

So here's what I got. Wanted to see if anyone remembered this. He was actually one of our recruits. He was here for a recruiting day but was being a real tool. Paying more attention to his phone more than anything else and Rod Carey never invited him back.

Great insight. Appreciate the research. This makes a lot of sense. He probably thought he was going to get a bunch of D1 offers, as a record setting RB for his high school. When those didn't come in, and Illinois State was one of a few, the rest is history.

I too remember that there were concerns about his grades coming out of HS.

Many NIC-10 players had a lot of success at NIU. Rockford has been very good for the Huskies. We obviously missed out HUGE on Robinson. Of course, I blame Carey.

(10-21-2021 01:11 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Many NIC-10 players had a lot of success at NIU. Rockford has been very good for the Huskies. We obviously missed out HUGE on Robinson. Of course, I blame Carey.

In that timeframe we had Harbison and Huff, and we won the MAC. We didn't need him and he didn't need us. He ended up at IL St, maybe that was a wakeup call for him.

Carey didn't like Huff, so Robinson would've been the perfect addition.