Cincinnati Bearcats

Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
bcat1997 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,587
Joined: Mar 2014
Reputation: 21
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #1
Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
I'm of the mindset that 1-loss P5's winning their conference championship will still get the nod over an undefeated UC. Thus a look at remaining teams with a chance to knock us out:

Wake 6-0
NC St 5-1
Pitt 5-1
Oregon 5-1
Arizona St 5-1
Okla 7-0
Oka St 6-0
Baylor 6-1
Michigan St 7-0
Michigan 6-0
Penn St 5-1
Ohio St 5-1
Iowa 6-1
Georgia 7-0
Kentucky 6-1
Bama 6-1
 
10-16-2021 09:30 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


bearcatmark Online
Moderator
*

Posts: 25,252
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 538
I Root For: the Deliverator
Location:
Post: #2
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
(10-16-2021 09:30 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  I'm of the mindset that 1-loss P5's winning their conference championship will still get the nod over an undefeated UC. Thus a look at remaining teams with a chance to knock us out:

Wake 6-0
NC St 5-1
Pitt 5-1
Oregon 5-1
Arizona St 5-1
Okla 7-0
Oka St 6-0
Baylor 6-1
Michigan St 7-0
Michigan 6-0
Penn St 5-1
Ohio St 5-1
Iowa 6-1
Georgia 7-0
Kentucky 6-1
Bama 6-1

You strike me as a pessimist. You seemed annoyed that we all knew UC would rock UCF's world today. I'm not convinced any one loss conference champion other than the SEC champ if they have 1 loss is getting in over us. I do worry about OSU. A 1 loss ACC champ isn't getting in and Wake is going to lose.
 
10-16-2021 09:39 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rath v2.0 Offline
Wartime Consigliere
*

Posts: 42,766
Joined: Jun 2007
Reputation: 1348
I Root For: ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Location: Tip Of The Mitt

Donators
Post: #3
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
The list of competition is:

1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State/Michigan/Michigan State
4. Oklahoma/Oklahoma State
 
10-16-2021 09:42 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
doss2 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,350
Joined: Dec 2015
Reputation: 103
I Root For: BEARCATS
Location:
Post: #4
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
Wake 6-0 NO
NC St 5-1 NO
Pitt 5-1 NO
Oregon 5-1 NO
Arizona St 5-1 NO
Okla 7-0
Oka St 6-0 IF THEY BEAT OK
Baylor 6-1 NO
Michigan St 7-0 NO
Michigan 6-0 NO
Penn St 5-1 NO
Ohio St 5-1
Iowa 6-1 NO
Georgia 7-0
Kentucky 6-1 NO
Bama 6-1
 
10-16-2021 09:51 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bcat1997 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,587
Joined: Mar 2014
Reputation: 21
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #5
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
(10-16-2021 09:39 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(10-16-2021 09:30 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  I'm of the mindset that 1-loss P5's winning their conference championship will still get the nod over an undefeated UC. Thus a look at remaining teams with a chance to knock us out:

Wake 6-0
NC St 5-1
Pitt 5-1
Oregon 5-1
Arizona St 5-1
Okla 7-0
Oka St 6-0
Baylor 6-1
Michigan St 7-0
Michigan 6-0
Penn St 5-1
Ohio St 5-1
Iowa 6-1
Georgia 7-0
Kentucky 6-1
Bama 6-1

You strike me as a pessimist. You seemed annoyed that we all knew UC would rock UCF's world today. I'm not convinced any one loss conference champion other than the SEC champ if they have 1 loss is getting in over us. I do worry about OSU. A 1 loss ACC champ isn't getting in and Wake is going to lose.

As a Cincy sports fan I'm definitely a pessimist. Maybe I let the past UCF teams cloud my judgment on today's game, that was an ass beating. But I still think the CFP committee will reward P5's at our expense, maybe with exception of ACC.
 
10-16-2021 10:27 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Edgebrookjeff Online
1st String
*

Posts: 1,111
Joined: Oct 2008
Reputation: 16
I Root For: bearcats
Location:
Post: #6
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
I don't understand the media's love of Oklahoma. They get a free pass for having a mediocre schedule, with their best win coming against a 3 loss TX team. Their overall schedule is not even close to the UC schedule. Their toughest game will probably end up being OK St. It makes no sense to me.
 
10-16-2021 11:17 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


rath v2.0 Offline
Wartime Consigliere
*

Posts: 42,766
Joined: Jun 2007
Reputation: 1348
I Root For: ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Location: Tip Of The Mitt

Donators
Post: #7
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
I’m sick of hearing about UC only having one ranked team left on the schedule. Oklahoma and Alabama only have one ranked team left on the regular season schedule (Alabama possibly zero now that Arkansas has lost 3 straight games). After Florida drops out today, Georgia will have zero ranked teams left on their schedule and still have their big game against Georgia Southern.

Yeah,I understand SOS. Some of their so-so wins are better than some of our so-so wins. Look at these teams’ best wins and compare it to UC’s. Halfway through the regular season, you going to tell me beating UK at home is a lot better win than beating ND in South Bend? Alabama has a nice win at home against Ole Miss but also took the L at A&M. Oklahoma is going to hang their entire season on the game(s) against Oklahoma State. Meh.

The Big 10 Round Robin between Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State begins in a week or two. If someone comes out of that 3-0 and then beats Iowa they will be in.

Until yesterday I felt like the narrative had changed. For some reason hanging 56 on UCF has all of the ESPN graphics production guys focusing on UC’s schedule like they are a Horizon League team trying to steal a NCAA bid with a SOS in the 170’s.
 
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2021 06:35 AM by rath v2.0.)
10-17-2021 05:50 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Banter Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,218
Joined: Nov 2013
Reputation: 53
I Root For: UC Bearcats
Location: Columbus
Post: #8
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
(10-17-2021 05:50 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’m sick of hearing about UC only having one ranked team left on the schedule. Oklahoma and Alabama only have one ranked team left on the regular season schedule (Alabama possibly zero now that Arkansas has lost 3 straight games). After Florida drops out today, Georgia will have zero ranked teams left on their schedule and still have their big game against Georgia Southern.

Yeah,I understand SOS. Some of their so-so wins are better than some of our so-so wins. Look at these teams’ best wins and compare it to UC’s. Halfway through the regular season, you going to tell me beating UK at home is a lot better win than beating ND in South Bend? Alabama has a nice win at home against Ole Miss but also took the L at A&M. Oklahoma is going to hang their entire season on the game(s) against Oklahoma State. Meh.

The Big 10 Round Robin between Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State begins in a week or two. If someone comes out of that 3-0 and then beats Iowa they will be in.

Until yesterday I felt like the narrative had changed. For some reason hanging 56 on UCF has all of the ESPN graphics production guys focusing on UC’s schedule like they are a Horizon League team trying to steal a NCAA bid with a SOS in the 170’s.

Maybe it's the fear of the unknown, but I feel that we have proved with our Peach Bowl game, and Notre Dame game that we will pull in a decent rating. I also imagine people would tune in to see what a G5 would do in the playoff.

I can't imagine our ratings would be any worse than Michigan St on New Years Eve. It's all just ESPN trying to get the biggest profit.
 
10-17-2021 07:01 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Hemond Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 253
Joined: May 2020
Reputation: 6
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #9
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
The Bearcats are the best!
 
10-17-2021 07:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UCGrad1992 Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 24,052
Joined: Sep 2013
Reputation: 1435
I Root For: Cincy Bearcats
Location: North Carolina
Post: #10
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
Are there still college football traditionalists out there who view our Bearcats as G5 that don't play in a tough conference? Yep. Are there folks like Kirk Herbie, Rece Davis, Joey Galloway, Dan Orslavsky, Scott Van Pelt, Jim Rome, Pat Forde, et al, that give our program props? Yep. It has gotten much better since the past couple of seasons that's for sure. We'll be ranked #2 today! Let that fuggin' sink in! Who'd thunk during that first year of the Fick hire? Raise your hand. Thought so. Enjoy this moment in our history gents! Why worry about who will finish ahead of us? Maybe, other teams should worry about who will finish above them.
 
10-17-2021 08:35 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bearcat 1985 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 631
Joined: Oct 2016
Reputation: 53
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #11
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
(10-16-2021 09:39 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(10-16-2021 09:30 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  I'm of the mindset that 1-loss P5's winning their conference championship will still get the nod over an undefeated UC. Thus a look at remaining teams with a chance to knock us out:

Wake 6-0
NC St 5-1
Pitt 5-1
Oregon 5-1
Arizona St 5-1
Okla 7-0
Oka St 6-0
Baylor 6-1
Michigan St 7-0
Michigan 6-0
Penn St 5-1
Ohio St 5-1
Iowa 6-1
Georgia 7-0
Kentucky 6-1
Bama 6-1

You strike me as a pessimist. You seemed annoyed that we all knew UC would rock UCF's world today. I'm not convinced any one loss conference champion other than the SEC champ if they have 1 loss is getting in over us. I do worry about OSU. A 1 loss ACC champ isn't getting in and Wake is going to lose.

B1G champ is absolutely getting in over us unless they have two losses. This year, I think you can pencil in the SEC and B1G champs, and it's down to the last two spots. Iowa losing lessened the chances of two B1G teams, but I can still see a scenario where OSU beats an undefeated Michigan in a close, well-played game, then goes out and destroys Iowa. Don't underestimate the desire of the media wanting Michigan to be relevant again. SEC getting two in is also still in play until either UGA loses or Bama picks up another loss. One favorable factor is that espn won't go all out in lobbying for a second B1G school the way they will for a second....or third....or fourth SEC team.

I don't agree with it. I'm not happy about it. It is, however, the reality of our world.
 
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2021 08:39 AM by Bearcat 1985.)
10-17-2021 08:35 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


rath v2.0 Offline
Wartime Consigliere
*

Posts: 42,766
Joined: Jun 2007
Reputation: 1348
I Root For: ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Location: Tip Of The Mitt

Donators
Post: #12
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
For the sake of argument let’s just say Alabama beats Georgia in the conference championship.

Let’s also say that Ohio State runs the table and wins the Big 10.

Then let’s say Oklahoma and Oklahoma State split their matchups in the regular season and the conference championship.

Each of these has a decent chance of occurring.

If UC goes undefeated, does anybody on the planet think that they will get left out in favor of a 1-4 that will each have one loss? Not happening.
 
10-17-2021 08:45 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bearcat 1985 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 631
Joined: Oct 2016
Reputation: 53
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #13
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
(10-17-2021 08:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  For the sake of argument let’s just say Alabama beats Georgia in the conference championship.

Let’s also say that Ohio State runs the table and wins the Big 10.

Then let’s say Oklahoma and Oklahoma State split their matchups in the regular season and the conference championship.

Each of these has a decent chance of occurring.

If UC goes undefeated, does anybody on the planet think that they will get left out in favor of a 1-4 that will each have one loss? Not happening.

In that scenario, Bama, UGA and OSU (anyone who doesn't think that's how it plays out is looking at it through red and black glasses) are absolute locks to get in, and it comes down to the last spot. I do think that UC would get it, as it allows the committee to dodge the Okie-Okie State predicament. Your scenario also assumes that Oregon picks up another loss and is removed from the mix.
 
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2021 08:52 AM by Bearcat 1985.)
10-17-2021 08:51 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rath v2.0 Offline
Wartime Consigliere
*

Posts: 42,766
Joined: Jun 2007
Reputation: 1348
I Root For: ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Location: Tip Of The Mitt

Donators
Post: #14
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
I’m not worried about Oregon. Losing to a Stanford team that might not be bowl eligible sunk them.
 
10-17-2021 08:58 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bearhawkeye Offline
The King of Breakfast
*

Posts: 12,841
Joined: Mar 2004
Reputation: 447
I Root For: Zinzinnati
Location:
Post: #15
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
I don't know the order yet, but the Bearhawkeye Playoff Predictor Model is showing a clear likelihood that the 4 playoff teams will be:

Georgia
UC
Ohio St.
Alabama

Georgia has been elite. We may be too, but I think we need to show it for a few more games. Based upon their talent and history, OSU and Alabama will have it all together down the stretch. Ohio St. has a tougher schedule down the stretch and could possibly get beat giving their slot to another B10 team. But Alabama is the most vulnerable to not make it. If they lose to Georgia and thus have 2 losses, it potentially opens the door for another conference champ like Oklahoma or Oregon (both of which will have at least one loss in the Bearhawkeye model.)

With UC undefeated and the other 3 all with one loss, the seeding process would make for endless debate but that's for another day.
 
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2021 11:34 AM by Bearhawkeye.)
10-17-2021 11:31 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bcat1997 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,587
Joined: Mar 2014
Reputation: 21
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #16
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
This was really meant as kind of a rooting guide to eliminate potential competition to CFP. Removing Arizona State after last night's loss.

Wake 6-0
NC St 5-1
Pitt 5-1
Oregon 5-1
Okla 7-0
Oka St 6-0
Baylor 6-1
Michigan St 7-0
Michigan 6-0
Penn St 5-1
Ohio St 5-1
Iowa 6-1
Georgia 7-0
Kentucky 6-1
Bama 6-1
[/quote]
 
10-17-2021 11:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


bcat1997 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,587
Joined: Mar 2014
Reputation: 21
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #17
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
(10-17-2021 08:58 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’m not worried about Oregon. Losing to a Stanford team that might not be bowl eligible sunk them.

The committee would put a 1 loss PAC champion Oregon with win @ Ohio State in over undefeated UC in my view.
 
10-17-2021 11:57 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bearcat 1985 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 631
Joined: Oct 2016
Reputation: 53
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #18
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
(10-17-2021 11:31 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I don't know the order yet, but the Bearhawkeye Playoff Predictor Model is showing a clear likelihood that the 4 playoff teams will be:

Georgia
UC
Ohio St.
Alabama

Georgia has been elite. We may be too, but I think we need to show it for a few more games. Based upon their talent and history, OSU and Alabama will have it all together down the stretch. Ohio St. has a tougher schedule down the stretch and could possibly get beat giving their slot to another B10 team. But Alabama is the most vulnerable to not make it. If they lose to Georgia and thus have 2 losses, it potentially opens the door for another conference champ like Oklahoma or Oregon (both of which will have at least one loss in the Bearhawkeye model.)

With UC undefeated and the other 3 all with one loss, the seeding process would make for endless debate but that's for another day.

As much as the playoff committee might want a Battle Of Ohio, they're not going to set a Bama-UGA rematch in the semi's. We'd play Bama or Georgia.

And OSU's offense is the equivalent of UGA's defense. If they continue to get their defense together, I'd prefer to avoid them until the final. Bama has shown they have weaknesses and don't show up every week. We can hang with UGA, and our defense against their offense would be a huge strength.
 
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2021 12:31 PM by Bearcat 1985.)
10-17-2021 12:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bearhawkeye Offline
The King of Breakfast
*

Posts: 12,841
Joined: Mar 2004
Reputation: 447
I Root For: Zinzinnati
Location:
Post: #19
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
(10-17-2021 12:25 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 11:31 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I don't know the order yet, but the Bearhawkeye Playoff Predictor Model is showing a clear likelihood that the 4 playoff teams will be:

Georgia
UC
Ohio St.
Alabama

Georgia has been elite. We may be too, but I think we need to show it for a few more games. Based upon their talent and history, OSU and Alabama will have it all together down the stretch. Ohio St. has a tougher schedule down the stretch and could possibly get beat giving their slot to another B10 team. But Alabama is the most vulnerable to not make it. If they lose to Georgia and thus have 2 losses, it potentially opens the door for another conference champ like Oklahoma or Oregon (both of which will have at least one loss in the Bearhawkeye model.)

With UC undefeated and the other 3 all with one loss, the seeding process would make for endless debate but that's for another day.

As much as the playoff committee might want a Battle Of Ohio, they're not going to set a Bama-UGA rematch in the semi's. We'd play Bama or Georgia.

And OSU's offense is the equivalent of UGA's defense. If they continue to get their defense together, I'd prefer to avoid them until the final. Bama has shown they have weaknesses and don't show up every week. We can hang with UGA, and our defense against their offense would be a huge strength.

Well they weren't in playoff order as I said upfront. If things go as I suspect, I could see a case for any 1-4 seeds and it may come down to style points.

Technically they aren't supposed to be looking at matchups when ranking the top 4. But you are probably right that they'd end up with two SEC v. Ohio games in the semis under the scenario I envision.
 
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2021 01:32 PM by Bearhawkeye.)
10-17-2021 01:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rath v2.0 Offline
Wartime Consigliere
*

Posts: 42,766
Joined: Jun 2007
Reputation: 1348
I Root For: ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Location: Tip Of The Mitt

Donators
Post: #20
RE: Teams that could finish above Cincy by end of year
(10-17-2021 11:57 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 08:58 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’m not worried about Oregon. Losing to a Stanford team that might not be bowl eligible sunk them.

The committee would put a 1 loss PAC champion Oregon with win @ Ohio State in over undefeated UC in my view.

Well, why not just put them in front of Ohio State then? Each with one loss and one has a head to head win? Seems logical, right?

Reason is Stanford torpedoed the PAC’s chances.
 
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2021 03:08 PM by rath v2.0.)
10-17-2021 03:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2021 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2021 MyBB Group.