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RE: Fire Mike Bloomgren
(10-17-2021 11:34 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  I am confused. I thought Rice isn't paying anything of his salary since his salary is an endowment. How about the persons who are funding the endowment, do they have any input or even care?
(10-17-2021 08:07 PM)Ourland Wrote:  He has to be given every opportunity to win six games. Yes it looks bleak for him, but mathematically, it can happen.

They probably already have the buyout money in hand. Give him the rest of the season, and then get him the hell outta here. He has destroyed this program.

Endowed by what? A Rice University endowment? Does a chemistry professor endowment stop being paid by Rice since the money comes from a subset of Rice income? I'm not even sure I understand this distinction.
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(10-18-2021 12:00 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 11:34 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  I am confused. I thought Rice isn't paying anything of his salary since his salary is an endowment. How about the persons who are funding the endowment, do they have any input or even care?
(10-17-2021 08:07 PM)Ourland Wrote:  He has to be given every opportunity to win six games. Yes it looks bleak for him, but mathematically, it can happen.

They probably already have the buyout money in hand. Give him the rest of the season, and then get him the hell outta here. He has destroyed this program.

Endowed by what? A Rice University endowment? Does a chemistry professor endowment stop being paid by Rice since the money comes from a subset of Rice income? I'm not even sure I understand this distinction.

Bloom's salary is paid out of a specific endowment that pays for the coach's salary and nothing else
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(10-18-2021 12:40 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 12:00 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 11:34 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  I am confused. I thought Rice isn't paying anything of his salary since his salary is an endowment. How about the persons who are funding the endowment, do they have any input or even care?
(10-17-2021 08:07 PM)Ourland Wrote:  He has to be given every opportunity to win six games. Yes it looks bleak for him, but mathematically, it can happen.

They probably already have the buyout money in hand. Give him the rest of the season, and then get him the hell outta here. He has destroyed this program.

Endowed by what? A Rice University endowment? Does a chemistry professor endowment stop being paid by Rice since the money comes from a subset of Rice income? I'm not even sure I understand this distinction.

Bloom's salary is paid out of a specific endowment that pays for the coach's salary and nothing else

That is incorrect, if you are referring to the Dunlevie endowment, which provides only a small percentage of the head coach's salary. I am unaware of another endowment for this particular purpose.
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(10-16-2021 10:23 PM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  Here’s a question… does anyone on this board of passionate Rice supporters NOT want to fire Bloomgren and turn the temporary reins over to anyone but Bloomgren?

Edit: anyone on this board who has posted prior to today.

I was a Bloomgren fan at the start. But he does not learn from his mistakes. He was supposed to turn things around. I see no turn around in sight. FIRE HIM.
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(10-16-2021 10:22 PM)EtxOWL Wrote:  Bloomgren needs more time to get his system in place. He hasn’t had a QB yet. Keeps having to find a guy in the portal. He’s a great guy and mentor to these young men. UTSA is a top tier program. I’m just not sure what you guys expected.

It’s not the Quarterback, Bloom has gone through like 12. The common denominator is Bloom. Do you have example of him being a great guy?? I understand that most player don’t like him. Can you give any examples of his mentoring too?
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Pretty sure EtxOwl was being sarcastic.

Personally I’m ready to see Bloom gone ASAP.
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(10-16-2021 11:35 PM)EtxOWL Wrote:  They don’t care about watching games in an empty stadium. Been doing it for awhile now. The program on crutches when Bailiff left. Bloomgren has been putting the nails in steadily for the last few years.

Did you even watch the game? Can you give us some examples of the nails?
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(10-18-2021 09:15 AM)BSWBRice Wrote:  Pretty sure EtxOwl was being sarcastic.

Personally I’m ready to see Bloom gone ASAP.

Ok that’s the only way it would make any sense
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(10-18-2021 09:15 AM)BSWBRice Wrote:  Pretty sure EtxOwl was being sarcastic.

Personally I’m ready to see Bloom gone ASAP.

If Rice were in the AAC, could they get a better coach, and have a better football team? Could they also improve their basketball program?
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I think some sarcasm is being lost in translation here... I hope we all remain 'friendly' as I know a lot of us are really upset.


I honestly think JK is a highly skilled administrator. He doesn't have what it takes to run football, though..... and football is THE driver of everything that is happening. If he is to remain AD as a result of his extension etc, he needs to hire (and that will take money) experts in football and give them some authority and free rein and support. At other schools, the AD runs the 'flagship' programs, but Rice is different and it shouldn't be unusual if we are therefore 'different'. He needs more vision.,.. He needs to understand Rica alumni... He needs to understand kids who CHOOSE the difficult path of a Rice education to what for lots of them is at least a DREAM of a pro career.

I have no idea about what the players think etc etc etc of Bloomgren, but the bottom line is that he isn't getting it done. You are what your record says you are.... especially when you consider the level of competition... and the lack of exposure to top, flagship competition.

I think it would be a serious mistake to not take advantage of the (negative) attention we are currently getting after that BEAT DOWN to announce changes.... At the very least, that he will be 'reassigned within the department' or 'will not be back after the season' or whatever it is that the big boys do other than just... he's out... and I'd be fine with just 'he's out'.

If you don't, you are essentially saying to people with SOME interest in what is going on that we don't care... and if we 'quietly' do the same thing in a few weeks, you've lost their attention and they don't care.

Here's what I'd do...
This season is shot, at least as we currently exist. I'd tell the coordinators, I don't care if we win or lose... I want you to showcase your players. Do what they do best. We may miss a loot and that's fine, but when we hit, I want it to be a great play. Swing for the fences.... make the big plays... go for greatness and don't worry about the score. Up 21-0?? Onside kicks may happen. 4th and 15 from the 35 going in??? We MAY go for it. 1st play of the game? We MAY 'bring the house'.

Let's have some damn fun!

Too often it seems our players are so afraid of making a mistake that they don't make plays. I've seen less of this on defense than in the past, but I still see it. On offense, I don't care about TOP or game strategy right now... I want 500 yards offense and if we lose 65-64 because we scored too fast and kept our defense out there too long, at least we had a battle.
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(10-18-2021 09:18 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  
(10-16-2021 11:35 PM)EtxOWL Wrote:  They don’t care about watching games in an empty stadium. Been doing it for awhile now. The program on crutches when Bailiff left. Bloomgren has been putting the nails in steadily for the last few years.

Did you even watch the game? Can you give us some examples of the nails?

The fact that the team shows zero improvement in 4 years. The fact Bloomgren in a team meeting told the players while showing pictures of his homes that he would always be fine. Don’t have to watch the crap he’s putting on the (not talking about the players). His offense doesn’t work. His team building skills are obviously not working. His recruiting is worse than the end of the Bailiff era. Bottom line Bloom is a program killer. Put him in the NFL coaching an OL. Not everyone is made out to be a head coach.
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(10-18-2021 09:52 AM)EtxOWL Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 09:18 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  
(10-16-2021 11:35 PM)EtxOWL Wrote:  They don’t care about watching games in an empty stadium. Been doing it for awhile now. The program on crutches when Bailiff left. Bloomgren has been putting the nails in steadily for the last few years.

Did you even watch the game? Can you give us some examples of the nails?

The fact that the team shows zero improvement in 4 years. The fact Bloomgren in a team meeting told the players while showing pictures of his homes that he would always be fine. Don’t have to watch the crap he’s putting on the (not talking about the players). His offense doesn’t work. His team building skills are obviously not working. His recruiting is worse than the end of the Bailiff era. Bottom line Bloom is a program killer. Put him in the NFL coaching an OL. Not everyone is made out to be a head coach.

Can we get more of the story on this?

When was this?
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(10-18-2021 09:46 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I honestly think JK is a highly skilled administrator. He doesn't have what it takes to run football, though..... and football is THE driver of everything that is happening.

The value of an upper manager is being able to manage the *thing*. The value of a VP-type manager is being able to manage the more important things in the organization.

I dont think any organization worth its salt would say:

a) Dave is a good manager of Z

b) Dave doesnt know sh-t from shinola about the related field X, and is inept in that.

c) Lets make Dave VP of XZ, where X is the most important aspect of the field.

d) Nor would they say 'Lets make Dave VP of XZ and make sure Dave has a *great* manager of X to offset his shortcomings in X -- our most important line'.

What one *would* do is hire Jane, who is an absolute clock stopping ace at X, and have another backstop the less important aspects.

I dont subsrcibe to the paradigm that 'Since Rice is different, we need to upend the above'. We *did* do that -- with JK in some sense.

I absolutely agree with much of what you follow with. Ice Bloomgren, sideline him. Let the coordinators go to town in the interim -- have them utilize the athletes in the best way that they know how -- not just physically but employ the thing that attracted them to Rice -- the thing that you and RU show us is inherent in Rice Athletics.
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(10-18-2021 09:59 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 09:52 AM)EtxOWL Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 09:18 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  
(10-16-2021 11:35 PM)EtxOWL Wrote:  They don’t care about watching games in an empty stadium. Been doing it for awhile now. The program on crutches when Bailiff left. Bloomgren has been putting the nails in steadily for the last few years.

Did you even watch the game? Can you give us some examples of the nails?

The fact that the team shows zero improvement in 4 years. The fact Bloomgren in a team meeting told the players while showing pictures of his homes that he would always be fine. Don’t have to watch the crap he’s putting on the (not talking about the players). His offense doesn’t work. His team building skills are obviously not working. His recruiting is worse than the end of the Bailiff era. Bottom line Bloom is a program killer. Put him in the NFL coaching an OL. Not everyone is made out to be a head coach.

Can we get more of the story on this?

When was this?

My understanding is it happened year one the Sunday before the UTEP game. He put on a PowerPoint about himself and his coaching staff and told the players they were the problem.
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RE: Fire Mike Bloomgren
We're losing all the games that we were projected to lose at the beginning of the season. What makes it hard to tolerate is that we're getting blown out, and we shouldn't be getting blown out by anyone at this point in Bloomgren's tenure. UAB may win 52-0.

There's no future with this coach, but he should get every opportunity to get six wins. It's conceivable that we beat North Texas, Western Kentucky, Charlotte, and Louisiana Tech. The odds of that happening are slim, but stranger things have happened.

Bloomgren is not getting the most out of these players. He has cast his lot in an offense that won't work at Rice, and that likely wouldn't work anywhere else either. He blew his opportunity. Now he'll be a position coach for the rest of his life. Give him until the end of the season and then ship him out.
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(10-18-2021 12:40 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 12:00 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 11:34 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  I am confused. I thought Rice isn't paying anything of his salary since his salary is an endowment. How about the persons who are funding the endowment, do they have any input or even care?
(10-17-2021 08:07 PM)Ourland Wrote:  He has to be given every opportunity to win six games. Yes it looks bleak for him, but mathematically, it can happen.

They probably already have the buyout money in hand. Give him the rest of the season, and then get him the hell outta here. He has destroyed this program.

Endowed by what? A Rice University endowment? Does a chemistry professor endowment stop being paid by Rice since the money comes from a subset of Rice income? I'm not even sure I understand this distinction.

Bloom's salary is paid out of a specific endowment that pays for the coach's salary and nothing else


In the simplest example (and I have no idea what the actual numbers are).... if the gift was $1mm and the endowment earns 5%, then the endowment kicks off $50,000 per year in revenue which goes towards the salary. $10mm is $500,000. $100mm is $5mm

My bet is that it was in the $10mm range which is why he gets paid more than Bailiff did (as I understand it)


(10-18-2021 10:03 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 09:46 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I honestly think JK is a highly skilled administrator. He doesn't have what it takes to run football, though..... and football is THE driver of everything that is happening.

The value of an upper manager is being able to manage the *thing*. The value of a VP-type manager is being able to manage the more important things in the organization.

I dont think any organization worth its salt would say:

a) Dave is a good manager of Z

b) Dave doesnt know sh-t from shinola about the related field X, and is inept in that.

c) Lets make Dave VP of XZ, where X is the most important aspect of the field.

d) Nor would they say 'Lets make Dave VP of XZ and make sure Dave has a *great* manager of X to offset his shortcomings in X -- our most important line'.

What one *would* do is hire Jane, who is an absolute clock stopping ace at X, and have another backstop the less important aspects.

I dont subsrcibe to the paradigm that 'Since Rice is different, we need to upend the above'. We *did* do that -- with JK in some sense.

True, but this is Rice and we don't spend money like that. Plus, we've already hired Dave and he's under contract for a few more years... and the skills he has at Z are valuable and DO contribute to X... they just don't overcome being POOR at X.

More importantly, you have to consider that the only way you're going to get a 'Jane' to come put her reputation at risk at Rice is if she is woefully unprepared for Z and needs more seasoning and experience... which Dave could greatly help her with. Dave's contract expires an Jane is ready to take the wheel. Dave's incentive for doing this is he avoids the stigma of being fired...truly demonstrates to others that he's an amazing 'team player' willing to do what it takes to succeed... and he resurrects his reputation. Dave isn't anywhere near retirement age.
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So, I don't know if publically advocating for someone to be fired is wholly appropriate, considering he has a family, etc., but I do think it is time for a change. Bloomgren has put out a product that is uninspiring and boring to watch, and, most importantly, hasn't gotten results. The Rice teams under his tenure have been uninspired, undisciplined and unprepared. While all reasonable prognostications had us at 2-4 at this point in the season (and likely 2-5, given this week at UAB), it is how we have lost that really is cause for concern. We have lost 2 of our last 4 games by a combined score of 100-0 (struggling to beat TSU and Southern Miss). It not just that we are losing, its how we are losing, and what that says about the program under Bloomgren's stewardship moving forward. Whatever the offense is, it just isn't working, and, frankly, hasn't worked since Bloom got here. What is the end game? What does JK see in Bloom/the program at this time that would indicate an upward trajectory, or that this skid could be turned around any time soon? How much is enough?

So, in the back half of the season, let's say we go 4-2, thereby making us bowl eligible. How does that show a marked improvement since Bailiff? Wasn't the criticism of Bailiff that we would lose the signature games, or even those games against "decent" opponents, while feasting on the dregs of the conference? Wouldn't that be the same here?

I think all of us gave a tip of the cap to JK for realizing he had made a mistake with Bragga, and cutting ties when he did. Why can't we do the same for our football program? Looking at the glass half-full here - while the results on the field are neither conducive nor attractive for prospective conferences taking a look at us, wouldn't making a decision now, right now, that this is unacceptable, indicate we are serious about our results on the football field? Maybe tie that announcement in with an announcement to upgrade the facilities at HRS. Make a statement that we are setting standards for our football program at Rice, and we are investing the monies to do it. We have the Dunlevie Family endowment for the football coach - theoretically couldn't that be used to attract a good, up-and-coming coach?
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Everyone knows that Rice isn't going to fire a coach during the season. That's not how we do business. The MWC and AAC can watch us fire him at the end of the season. They know it's coming. Making a spectacle out of Bloomgren now isn't who we are, and it would only make us look bad to prospective hires. Bloomgren has worked hard, it just wasn't enough. He failed miserably. The program has digressed under his watch.
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(10-18-2021 10:21 AM)Ourland Wrote:  There's no future with this coach, but he should get every opportunity to get six wins.

Why? What has he done to deserve that opportunity in 3 1/2 years?

If by some miracle, the Owls do get to 6 wins by beating 4 other bad CUSA teams, it could be the worst thing for Rice as it gives the Admin cover to keep him around.

As you stated, there is no future with this coach.
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(10-18-2021 12:23 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 10:21 AM)Ourland Wrote:  There's no future with this coach, but he should get every opportunity to get six wins.

Why? What has he done to deserve that opportunity in 3 1/2 years?

If by some miracle, the Owls do get to 6 wins by beating 4 other bad CUSA teams, it could be the worst thing for Rice as it gives the Admin cover to keep him around.

As you stated, there is no future with this coach.

To be fair. If he must win six games to keep his job, then he deserves the chance to win six games before the plug is pulled. Firing him now doesn't bring about change any more quickly than letting him finish the season.
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