(10-14-2021 12:06 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 12:04 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Hmm, Central Michigan at #58, between Air Force and Memphis.

Yes, $55M of the $65M is coming from school funds. Yikes!

both revenue and expenses/school funds for CMU went up $30m from 2019 to 2020.

what capital expenditure are they doing that accounts for that?

(10-14-2021 12:03 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 09:34 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oregon had $24M and $34M in contributions the prior 2 years.

Now they have $298M in contributions in a Covid year.

Here was the note for that - "School reported that revenue includes a one-time, non-cash gift of the Hayward Field track and field facility renovation - totaling $270.05 million - as contribution revenue"

...wow, that's a lot for a renovation job... I know T&F is big at Oregon, but dang...

For those wondering what happens to fan interest when a school drops a level, Idaho ticket sales and contributions weren't very high to start with but as an FCS school they're about half what they were as an FBS school.

(10-14-2021 12:21 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  For those wondering what happens to fan interest when a school drops a level, Idaho ticket sales and contributions weren't very high to start with but as an FCS school they're about half what they were as an FBS school.

2018, their first year back in the Big Sky it was really good.

2020 was the pandemic. I was looking to see what their trend was, but I can't tell from those 3 years. Think the jury is very much out on the impact.

Geez, Memphis needs to start subsidizing at the same rate as other AAC schools. A high subsidy $80M budget looks alot better to the Big12 than a low subsidy $61M budget. Especially when the schools you are fighting for a spot are subsidizing at huge rates.

(10-14-2021 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 12:21 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  For those wondering what happens to fan interest when a school drops a level, Idaho ticket sales and contributions weren't very high to start with but as an FCS school they're about half what they were as an FBS school.

2018, their first year back in the Big Sky it was really good.

2020 was the pandemic. I was looking to see what their trend was, but I can't tell from those 3 years. Think the jury is very much out on the impact.

2018 was their final year of FBS. Remember, 2018 represents 2017-18 school year (2017 football season).

2018 -- $644,233 $2,312,943 $2,197,759
[Drops to FCS]
2019 -- $365,035 $1,562,634 $1,886,261

(10-14-2021 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 12:21 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  For those wondering what happens to fan interest when a school drops a level, Idaho ticket sales and contributions weren't very high to start with but as an FCS school they're about half what they were as an FBS school.

2018, their first year back in the Big Sky it was really good.

2020 was the pandemic. I was looking to see what their trend was, but I can't tell from those 3 years. Think the jury is very much out on the impact.

2020 football season will be on next years figures. This runs from 7/1/19-6/30/20

I don’t know if the revenue figures are truly meaningful. Inclusion of one-time donations skews the revenues.

Expenses and percent allocated is very useful. For the forthcoming conference alignments (SEC includes TX and OU; and B12 includes Cincinnati, Houston & UCF) the averages are more tiered than ever:

SEC (15 public schools): $141m and 2% subsidy
B1G (13): $138m and 6% subsidy. Rutgers is purposely under reporting its allocation, yet is still skewing the whole conference average.
ACC (8): $117m and 9% subsidy
PAC (10): $103m and 13% subsidy. ASU and Cal are heavily depended on allocations; the budgets of WSU and Or State are unusually low for P5 programs.
B12 (9): $83m and 19% subsidy. The good news is that the replacement schools have the largest non-P5 budgets (w the exception of UConn); the bad news is that these replacement schools now have the lowest budgets in the P5 and their subsidies are huge (Cincy @ 40%, UCF @ 49% and Hou @ 69%). Worse is that the B12 will now need to negotiate a new media deal with more schools and no blue blood tent-pole programs.

The SEC and B1G are competing at the same financial level. A few ACC and PAC schools are keeping-up with the Joneses (FSU, Louisville, Clemson, Washington and Oregon). It’s possible that some private schools (ND, USC, Miami, Stanford and Duke) are also managing finances well, but they don’t make their data available.

You can't even trust ticket sales. Back when the 15K was a concern I believe it was Temple that had a donor "purchase" 15K tickets to make sure. I know an FCS program in my area that reported numbers much higher than their stadium capacity a few years back. They claimed there were thousands of people outside the stadium. I went to a game and their alumni association had stacks of tickets they were selling at a reduced price.

(10-14-2021 02:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 12:21 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  For those wondering what happens to fan interest when a school drops a level, Idaho ticket sales and contributions weren't very high to start with but as an FCS school they're about half what they were as an FBS school.

2018, their first year back in the Big Sky it was really good.

2020 was the pandemic. I was looking to see what their trend was, but I can't tell from those 3 years. Think the jury is very much out on the impact.

2020 football season will be on next years figures. This runs from 7/1/19-6/30/20

Right. This year we're running without restrictions and it's getting worse, not better. We just barely drew 7K for homecoming. That's unheard of.

The total revenue number for Louisville always impresses me. It suggests UL is a massive state university.