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(10-13-2021 10:15 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Wouldn't the Rice AD already be aware of interest from the AAC? So is he saying these things to advertise Rice's interest in firming up those interests or is he worried that the AAC is passing on Rice? Is he also saying that the MWC isn't of interest to Rice?

My guess is he knows (as does everyone) that CUSA is going to have some defections, that he's had some discussions with both the AAC and MW, and that while Rice isn't necessarily a shoe-in for either conference collectively the odds of an invite to one is at least 50/50, maybe better. Don't underestimate the value of Houston-area recruiting.
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(10-13-2021 06:51 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Rice to the AAC with UAB.

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(10-13-2021 10:25 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 10:15 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Wouldn't the Rice AD already be aware of interest from the AAC? So is he saying these things to advertise Rice's interest in firming up those interests or is he worried that the AAC is passing on Rice? Is he also saying that the MWC isn't of interest to Rice?

My guess is he knows (as does everyone) that CUSA is going to have some defections, that he's had some discussions with both the AAC and MW, and that while Rice isn't necessarily a shoe-in for either conference collectively the odds of an invite to one is at least 50/50, maybe better. Don't underestimate the value of Houston-area recruiting.

I agree. The location of Houston in and of itself seems be getting underrated in a lot of these realignment discussions. That might be the single best metro area that you want to be located in for football recruiting purposes.

Plus, I always see references to the "potential" of School A or School B, yet it's almost as if though they're forgetting where REAL potential lies: an elite academic school that has super-wealthy alums and a massive endowment that's directly located in arguably the best football recruiting region in the country. THAT is potential. Now, whether they could ever achieve that potential is rightly questioned, but the point is that a good Rice football program is, without question to me, much more valuable than any other prospective AAC candidate that isn't in the MWC.

The smart thing in conference realignment is to not get caught up when a candidate is riding on a high or, alternatively, at a historical low point. You need to have the clairvoyance to understand what value a school brings when they're 6-6 or 0-12 as opposed to what they're worth when they're 10-2 (as those seasons are rare for anyone other than a very small handful of schools).
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(10-13-2021 10:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 10:25 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 10:15 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Wouldn't the Rice AD already be aware of interest from the AAC? So is he saying these things to advertise Rice's interest in firming up those interests or is he worried that the AAC is passing on Rice? Is he also saying that the MWC isn't of interest to Rice?

My guess is he knows (as does everyone) that CUSA is going to have some defections, that he's had some discussions with both the AAC and MW, and that while Rice isn't necessarily a shoe-in for either conference collectively the odds of an invite to one is at least 50/50, maybe better. Don't underestimate the value of Houston-area recruiting.

I agree. The location of Houston in and of itself seems be getting underrated in a lot of these realignment discussions. That might be the single best metro area that you want to be located in for football recruiting purposes.

Plus, I always see references to the "potential" of School A or School B, yet it's almost as if though they're forgetting where REAL potential lies: an elite academic school that has super-wealthy alums and a massive endowment that's directly located in arguably the best football recruiting region in the country. THAT is potential. Now, whether they could ever achieve that potential is rightly questioned, but the point is that a good Rice football program is, without question to me, much more valuable than any other prospective AAC candidate that isn't in the MWC.

The smart thing in conference realignment is to not get caught up when a candidate is riding on a high or, alternatively, at a historical low point. You need to have the clairvoyance to understand what value a school brings when they're 6-6 or 0-12 as opposed to what they're worth when they're 10-2 (as those seasons are rare for anyone other than a very small handful of schools).

Rice went on the road and shut out then #15 Marshall just last season. Yes, our football is bad, but not as abysmal as many think. This year the Owls led Arkansas on the road in the 3rd, and was tied at the end of the 3rd.
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I don't think I'd read too deeply into the comments to try to glean who Rice has (or hasn't talked to). It's a wide ranging interview on a variety of topics, realignment and non-realignment with the student newspaper.

Not as if he was talking to Brett McMurphy.
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(10-13-2021 10:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 10:25 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 10:15 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Wouldn't the Rice AD already be aware of interest from the AAC? So is he saying these things to advertise Rice's interest in firming up those interests or is he worried that the AAC is passing on Rice? Is he also saying that the MWC isn't of interest to Rice?

My guess is he knows (as does everyone) that CUSA is going to have some defections, that he's had some discussions with both the AAC and MW, and that while Rice isn't necessarily a shoe-in for either conference collectively the odds of an invite to one is at least 50/50, maybe better. Don't underestimate the value of Houston-area recruiting.

I agree. The location of Houston in and of itself seems be getting underrated in a lot of these realignment discussions. That might be the single best metro area that you want to be located in for football recruiting purposes.

Plus, I always see references to the "potential" of School A or School B, yet it's almost as if though they're forgetting where REAL potential lies: an elite academic school that has super-wealthy alums and a massive endowment that's directly located in arguably the best football recruiting region in the country. THAT is potential. Now, whether they could ever achieve that potential is rightly questioned, but the point is that a good Rice football program is, without question to me, much more valuable than any other prospective AAC candidate that isn't in the MWC.

The smart thing in conference realignment is to not get caught up when a candidate is riding on a high or, alternatively, at a historical low point. You need to have the clairvoyance to understand what value a school brings when they're 6-6 or 0-12 as opposed to what they're worth when they're 10-2 (as those seasons are rare for anyone other than a very small handful of schools).

Pure speculation, but my guess is that the MW would love nothing more than for the AAC to pass on Rice. A UNT-Rice combo would give the front range schools just a tremendously high-end new recruiting ground to build from, and "gives" Boise California as a bonus.
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At least this debunks the rumor that the AAC talked to Rice and Rice wasn’t interested in making a move.

I think they’re on their way to the AAC.
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(10-13-2021 07:37 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  I hope the naysayers click the link. Rice has had plenty of recent athletic success but not in football, where it would be the most visible. (Hey, Rice had a 20-0 win over #15 Marshall just last year, and then the Rice men sent Marshall home from the C-USA basketball tournament.). WKU fans might challenge his statement that Rice has won more C-USA 3.0 championships than any other school and has the best overall athletic program in C-USA. But women’s NIT championships aren’t often mentioned in realignment decisions.

I think it safe to say Rice prefers to align with Tulane, SMU, Tulsa and Navy.
Rice to the Big East!!! Academics definitely fits and it gets the Big East into a market: Houston!!!!

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(10-13-2021 11:00 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  At least this debunks the rumor that the AAC talked to Rice and Rice wasn’t interested in making a move.

I think they’re on their way to the AAC.

When did that rumor ever exist? I saw the one some twitter handle named poop threw out there about UTSA told the AAC no because they couldn't afford the move, but there's never been a rumor I've seen regarding Rice.
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(10-13-2021 10:19 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 10:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Rice has always been in a good position to rejoin a better conference. If only it ever really put into its athletics and kept at it as such, their current situation would be much different. Maybe even in a major conference by now. But, they don’t, so, now they’re not.

I mean, we know they’ve been active. Approaching the MWC, approaching the Big XII (maybe more than once)…AAC in its current state is going to be status quo, imo, or, just a shell of what it used to experience in CUSA back in 2010-13. Nothing against the AAC, either, but…if Rice doesn’t get a new home out of this? Fallen waaay back.

I get the impression, too, that they look to Tulane and SMU, when they should look at TCU and Baylor. Or, stop looking with disgust what Houston has been doing. Spend and win to get in.

When you have both Buffalo and Stony Brook spending money to win? I could see both of them leaping in front of Rice for the AAC.

Stony Brook!?!?

They’re in the best media market in the country and nobody knows who they are!
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(10-13-2021 10:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 10:25 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 10:15 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Wouldn't the Rice AD already be aware of interest from the AAC? So is he saying these things to advertise Rice's interest in firming up those interests or is he worried that the AAC is passing on Rice? Is he also saying that the MWC isn't of interest to Rice?

My guess is he knows (as does everyone) that CUSA is going to have some defections, that he's had some discussions with both the AAC and MW, and that while Rice isn't necessarily a shoe-in for either conference collectively the odds of an invite to one is at least 50/50, maybe better. Don't underestimate the value of Houston-area recruiting.

I agree. The location of Houston in and of itself seems be getting underrated in a lot of these realignment discussions. That might be the single best metro area that you want to be located in for football recruiting purposes.

Plus, I always see references to the "potential" of School A or School B, yet it's almost as if though they're forgetting where REAL potential lies: an elite academic school that has super-wealthy alums and a massive endowment that's directly located in arguably the best football recruiting region in the country. THAT is potential. Now, whether they could ever achieve that potential is rightly questioned, but the point is that a good Rice football program is, without question to me, much more valuable than any other prospective AAC candidate that isn't in the MWC.

The smart thing in conference realignment is to not get caught up when a candidate is riding on a high or, alternatively, at a historical low point. You need to have the clairvoyance to understand what value a school brings when they're 6-6 or 0-12 as opposed to what they're worth when they're 10-2 (as those seasons are rare for anyone other than a very small handful of schools).

I agree Rice has the actual highest potential of any add out there, but the least actual willingness to reach it. Part of what made the AAC as successful as it has been is for the most part they brought in teams that were all in on doing whatever it takes to win at the highest levels, even if that means spending beyond their means or bending academic standards or whatever. I guess it's possible Rice could decide they want to do that, but not sure why they would today when they haven't ever before.
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Why not Rice to the Big East?? As for Rice not being Catholic, Butler is not Catholic, but they are a member. And Rice has better academic credentials than Butler.

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(10-13-2021 12:01 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Why not Rice to the Big East?? As for Rice not being Catholic, Butler is not Catholic, but they are a member. And Rice has better academic credentials than Butler.

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As long as we have football, suck at basketball, and are not in the north, this won't happen.
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I've always thought that it was possible for the Pac to grab both a central time zone team (either Rice or Kansas) and Hawaii, so that Pac-12 football games can be seen at noon in both New York City and Beijing.
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(10-13-2021 09:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Rice should drop down to D3. They don't invest money in their athletics. That is why they were left behind in the first place and should be left behind again.

DavidSt “logic”. Rice should drop to D3, but Upper Iowa, Drury, and Colorado-Mesa should be D1.
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(10-13-2021 07:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So Rice badly wants out of CUSA.

Who doesn't?

And he's right about their academics and endowment. Unfortunately, while that counts for something, it doesn't count for as much as, say, a winning football team.

Rice needs to do like SMU did with Larry Brown and make a splash basketball hire to put them on the map in BBall. A small school with high academic standards like Rice will never be able to be consistently good in football, but they could make noise in basketball.
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(10-13-2021 12:01 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Why not Rice to the Big East?? As for Rice not being Catholic, Butler is not Catholic, but they are a member. And Rice has better academic credentials than Butler.

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I know this is meant as a joke from someone who thinks Rice shouldn't be considered for "promotion" due to on-field and -court results, but there are good reasons for them to be considered by both the AAC and MW.
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(10-13-2021 12:35 PM)Chappy Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 07:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So Rice badly wants out of CUSA.

Who doesn't?

And he's right about their academics and endowment. Unfortunately, while that counts for something, it doesn't count for as much as, say, a winning football team.

Rice needs to do like SMU did with Larry Brown and make a splash basketball hire to put them on the map in BBall. A small school with high academic standards like Rice will never be able to be consistently good in football, but they could make noise in basketball.

They haven’t been to the ncaa tournament since 1970 and have been to 4 NITs since 1990. They will never be able to make noise in basketball.
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(10-13-2021 06:06 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Some pretty candid remarks from the Rice AD, some of which come after the quoted piece below.

Quote: Conference realignment has been a top priority for the athletic department for Karlgaard ever since he joined Rice following a stint as a top assistant at Stanford, his alma mater. Despite his best efforts, Karlgaard said that he has never been able to find the right opportunity.

“I got here on the back side of the last round of realignment,” Karlgaard said. “I started in 2013, and 2012 was the year that [the University of] Houston, [Southern Methodist University], Tulane [University] and Tulsa [University] left Conference USA, and Rice didn’t. I haven’t seen an opportunity for us quite emerge over the past eight years, but now I think we’re in an environment where I think it’s highly unlikely that the status quo will be maintained.”

While Karlgaard said that improving Rice’s conference set up is his top priority, he cautioned against jumping to conclusions about what that means.

“It’s probably my top priority right now to set us up for a better [conference] alignment,” Karlgaard said. “I don’t know quite what that looks like – it could mean more regional alignment, it could mean more academic alignment, it could be a better financial situation, it could be all three. It’s the thing over the past six weeks or so that I [have] probably spent more time on than any other single thing.”

https://www.ricethresher.org/article/202...aa-changes

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Waiting for All4One to mention how CUSA will survive realignment. Its pretty telling that everyone in the conference has eyes elsewhere.
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