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Hey Memphis was better when they were in a crap BBall conference...

Correlation or Coincidence?

Hey I am going to go with glass half full and pray.
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Past performance is no guarantee of future results. That said, here is the CLT record against current AAC members.

UCF -- 0-0
Cincy -- 8-15
ECU -- 18-10
Houston -- 10-2
Memphis -- 6-8
USF -- 24-29
SMU -- 0-2
Temple -- 5-9
Tulane -- 14-9
Tulsa -- 1-3
Wichita State -- 0-0
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(10-20-2021 09:25 AM)Chappy Wrote:  2018-2020 (in other words, pre lockdown) 3-year attendance average:

Memphis - 12,201
Wichita State - 10,432
Temple - 6,320
SMU - 5,608
Tulsa - 4,263
Charlotte - 3,753
East Carolina - 3,683
South Florida - 3,229
UAB - 3,160
North Texas - 3,084
Rice - 2,032
Tulane - 1,603
FAU - 1,184
UTSA - 1,181

Lots of work to do, including by my Pirates. Nobody should be below Tulsa, they've only got 3,000 students.

As many Charlotte guys have already stated, we plan to win and do well in basketball. Attendance and spending will not be where we lack, just need a winning team on the court. Looking forward to an improved basketball league over C-USA!
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/...7451244545

rothstein doubling down on the demise of aac basketball

his logic of abandoning the aac for a10 is idiotic, but he is the biggest voice in the sport

Rice's biggest issue is lack of financial commitment- Rice has promised financial commitment

UTSA- has terrible facilities, Utsa is building new facilities

UAB is already on Track, Charlotte is a coach away


FAU is the biggest question mark- their facilities are horrible, they have the worst basketball facilities in the league ...but there arent any whisper of actually improving them...
it will be almost impossible to recruit at FAU with those facilities, they are almost guaranteed to be perpetual bottomfeeder..guaranteed sub 200 team yearly (they cant recruit with the rest of the league)

in the aac addition synopsis they are bragging about all the investments.. everyone else was talking about athletic facilities.... fau was talking about a dorm.. the more i look in to fau the less i like.. the other 5 seem fine
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(10-20-2021 05:31 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(10-20-2021 12:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Basically we added 1 "Tulsa" level program and 5 that are programs that we simply hope every year that they somehow wont be worse than a 200 RPI--but probably will be. I said from the start of this rebuild that fixing AAC basketball would be the hard part.....and that was when we were only expected to add 2 to 4. Its not impossible to get it going in the right direction---but dont expect it to be quick or easy.

Well, Houston basketball was down for over 20 years. I remember it well from UAB's 18-6 all-time record against ya'll. Things can change quickly once the right pieces are in place. Can't speak for the others but we are on our way back.

That’s my point. It took 20 years to rebound for a school that already had a pretty substantial basketball history. Some schools, ECU for instance, have never really had any real extended success in basketball. Other than UAB (a solid Tulsa level program), most of the adds don’t have any basketball tradition. Charlotte had a little—-but that was decades ago. It is what it is. Like I said, expect league basketball development to take a extended amount of time—and even then—-most of these new programs could easily still remain bad RPI anchors adversely affecting the better conference squads.

Is fixing AAC basketball possible? Of course. Will it be quick? Not likely—if it happens at all. Going to 14 was a really bad idea as far as basketball goes because so few G5 programs have really good basketball programs....and most of them were already in the AAC. I thought maybe if we just went with 2 additions, one being UAB—the damage could be mitigated. Then add Dayton and maybe St Louis as non-football schools and AAC basketball would have a large enough core of solid basketball schools that it could remain a consistent multi-bid league. Instead, the AAC didn’t really think much about basketball—so certainly over the short term the AAC basketball cellar gets much more crowded while the top gets smaller. There is no quick plug and play fix for AAC basketball at this point—-slow organic growth is the only way out....and that takes lots and lots of time.
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(10-21-2021 11:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-20-2021 05:31 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(10-20-2021 12:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Basically we added 1 "Tulsa" level program and 5 that are programs that we simply hope every year that they somehow wont be worse than a 200 RPI--but probably will be. I said from the start of this rebuild that fixing AAC basketball would be the hard part.....and that was when we were only expected to add 2 to 4. Its not impossible to get it going in the right direction---but dont expect it to be quick or easy.

Well, Houston basketball was down for over 20 years. I remember it well from UAB's 18-6 all-time record against ya'll. Things can change quickly once the right pieces are in place. Can't speak for the others but we are on our way back.

That’s my point. It took 20 years.
and just 3 years in the aac ..it wasnt a 20 year build up..
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(10-20-2021 09:25 AM)Chappy Wrote:  2018-2020 (in other words, pre lockdown) 3-year attendance average:

Memphis - 12,201
Wichita State - 10,432
Temple - 6,320
SMU - 5,608
Tulsa - 4,263
Charlotte - 3,753
East Carolina - 3,683
South Florida - 3,229
UAB - 3,160
North Texas - 3,084
Rice - 2,032
Tulane - 1,603
FAU - 1,184
UTSA - 1,181

Lots of work to do, including by my Pirates. Nobody should be below Tulsa, they've only got 3,000 students.

Brutal. It could feel like playing in an empty YMCA gym most nights in the AAC. Almost feel bad for Memphis.
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(10-21-2021 11:09 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(10-20-2021 09:25 AM)Chappy Wrote:  2018-2020 (in other words, pre lockdown) 3-year attendance average:

Memphis - 12,201
Wichita State - 10,432
Temple - 6,320
SMU - 5,608
Tulsa - 4,263
Charlotte - 3,753
East Carolina - 3,683
South Florida - 3,229
UAB - 3,160
North Texas - 3,084
Rice - 2,032
Tulane - 1,603
FAU - 1,184
UTSA - 1,181

Lots of work to do, including by my Pirates. Nobody should be below Tulsa, they've only got 3,000 students.

Brutal. It could feel like playing in an empty YMCA gym most nights in the AAC. Almost feel bad for Memphis.

ant specific reason why you are trying to rail on the aac??
not being in a 1bid league will help their attendance
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I’d rail on those numbers if it was the MAC. That sucks.
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(10-21-2021 11:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-20-2021 05:31 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(10-20-2021 12:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Basically we added 1 "Tulsa" level program and 5 that are programs that we simply hope every year that they somehow wont be worse than a 200 RPI--but probably will be. I said from the start of this rebuild that fixing AAC basketball would be the hard part.....and that was when we were only expected to add 2 to 4. Its not impossible to get it going in the right direction---but dont expect it to be quick or easy.

Well, Houston basketball was down for over 20 years. I remember it well from UAB's 18-6 all-time record against ya'll. Things can change quickly once the right pieces are in place. Can't speak for the others but we are on our way back.

That’s my point. It took 20 years to rebound for a school that already had a pretty substantial basketball history. Some schools, ECU for instance, have never really had any real extended success in basketball. Other than UAB (a solid Tulsa level program), most of the adds don’t have any basketball tradition. Charlotte had a little—-but that was decades ago. It is what it is. Like I said, expect league basketball development to take a extended amount of time—and even then—-most of these new programs could easily still remain bad RPI anchors adversely affecting the better conference squads.

Is fixing AAC basketball possible? Of course. Will it be quick? Not likely—if it happens at all. Going to 14 was a really bad idea as far as basketball goes because so few G5 programs have really good basketball programs....and most of them were already in the AAC. I thought maybe if we just went with 2 additions, one being UAB—the damage could be mitigated. Then add Dayton and maybe St Louis as non-football schools and AAC basketball would have a large enough core of solid basketball schools that it could remain a consistent multi-bid league. Instead, the AAC didn’t really think much about basketball—so certainly over the short term the AAC basketball cellar gets much more crowded while the top gets smaller. There is no quick plug and play fix for AAC basketball at this point—-slow organic growth is the only way out....and that takes lots and lots of time.

I agree with what you are saying completely. I was really hoping the AAC would take a hard look at WKU and La Tech if they expanded to 12.(I never saw the expansion to 14 coming) While those schools don't fit the traditional profile of the AAC, both are typically very competitive in the two major sports. Adding a combination of WKU, UAB, La Tech, and what UNT has been in recent years would have been about the best case scenario for basketball. You wouldn't have added that elite program, but you would have added programs that could hover in the 50-100 range most years.
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NCAA bids in the past 20 seasons [not including 2020]:

10 Memphis
9 Temple
9 Wichita State
5 UAB
4 Charlotte
4 Tulsa
3 North Texas
2 SMU
2 UTSA
1 FAU
1 South Florida
0 East Carolina
0 Rice
0 Tulane

Not too shabby for some of the newbies.
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(10-21-2021 11:09 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(10-20-2021 09:25 AM)Chappy Wrote:  2018-2020 (in other words, pre lockdown) 3-year attendance average:

Memphis - 12,201
Wichita State - 10,432
Temple - 6,320
SMU - 5,608
Tulsa - 4,263
Charlotte - 3,753
East Carolina - 3,683
South Florida - 3,229
UAB - 3,160
North Texas - 3,084
Rice - 2,032
Tulane - 1,603
FAU - 1,184
UTSA - 1,181

Lots of work to do, including by my Pirates. Nobody should be below Tulsa, they've only got 3,000 students.

Brutal. It could feel like playing in an empty YMCA gym most nights in the AAC. Almost feel bad for Memphis.

Yes let’s take the worst stretch of UAB basketball in our history and use that for comparison.
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(10-20-2021 01:38 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Past performance is no guarantee of future results. That said, here is the CLT record against current AAC members.

UCF -- 0-0
Cincy -- 8-15
ECU -- 18-10
Houston -- 10-2
Memphis -- 6-8
USF -- 24-29
SMU -- 0-2
Temple -- 5-9
Tulane -- 14-9
Tulsa -- 1-3
Wichita State -- 0-0

Nothing like using numbers from a quarter of a century ago to make a fairly worthless point. Charlotte was 5-11 vs a 1-bid CUSA last season. In fact, Charlotte was 10-8 vs CUSA in 2019, 5-13 in 2018, 2-16 in 2017, and 7-11 in 2016, 9-9 in 2015, 7-11 in 2014---should I go on? Frankly---its not really about Charlotte---its really more about the group as whole. Currently, the AAC has two fairly elite programs in Memphis and Wichita to build around. The AAC has a solid middle belt of schools (Tulsa, SMU, Temple, USF) that can be relied upon to spin off a bubble team--maybe two---annually. UAB adds to that middle belt---do any of the other 5 additions reliably add to that middle belt? As of right now---there is little to indicate much reliable help is coming from the new group beyond UAB basketball. That group will have to develop tremendously in order to help thicken the middle belt of AAC teams as that is the key to the AAC remaining a consistently multi-bid conference.
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Gonna need to be some really creative scheduling to protect the top of the conference until the new bottom can start helping the conference.

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(10-21-2021 01:04 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Gonna need to be some really creative scheduling to protect the top of the conference until the new bottom can start helping the conference.

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Could run like an 18 game schedule with five games based on last year's standings.

This way WSU would get: UM/SMU/Tulsa???/Temple??? and two 80-120 teams twice. That's workable if you trash the bad teams.
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(10-21-2021 01:18 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(10-21-2021 01:04 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Gonna need to be some really creative scheduling to protect the top of the conference until the new bottom can start helping the conference.

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Could run like an 18 game schedule with five games based on last year's standings.

This way WSU would get: UM/SMU/Tulsa???/Temple??? and two 80-120 teams twice. That's workable if you trash the bad teams.
Yea I think WSU/Memphis/SMU and maybe Temple all do home and home every year. For WSU specifically, Tulsa is a home and home as a rivalry game. Then fill in with the best of the rest. Or do something like the last 2 weeks are reserved for adjusted scheduling based on in year results.

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