(10-12-2021 02:44 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a Middle Tennessee State fan, I would be pleased with the reorganization.

As a Memphis fan, I would be — anything but.

I feel like Memphis is a shoe in for the Big XII once UT/OU are really gone.

I don't see any major waves in G5 reorganization until then.

It would be nice to see some sort of agreement take place though. I don't think anyone wants another round of callups to FBS eating into the already meager crumbs of a pie that is left for the G5. The AAC should take 2 from C-USA and then everyone should just hold until the next wave.

I'm not as sure about Memphis to the Big 12 as you are. We shall see.

This has about as much success as when the Big East commissioner proposed combining the Big East and ACC for football.

(10-12-2021 03:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a Middle Tennessee State fan, I would be pleased with the reorganization.

As a Memphis fan, I would be — anything but.

As a Memphis fan, the only real relief is a Big 12 invite. Otherwise rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

Overall, I agree.

From a selfish perspective, and assuming Memphis remains in the Big 12, I would like to see the AAC add UAB and ODU. Both programs have solid fan bases in basketball and are located in states with lots of prep basketball talent. Charlotte would not be a bad add, either, as it relates to what would help Memphis hoops.

(10-12-2021 06:17 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 06:12 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 06:10 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 05:10 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:55 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  My point was that there is absolutely zero chance the president of SMU agrees to that. There's actually a better chance the chancellor of ECU does, he still wouldn't, but Terry Holland for years dreamed of trying to do this and there's a tiny portion of the ECU fan base that desires a regional league for "reasons" so it would get considered for about a half second longer than SMU and Tulane's presidents consider it.

Oddly that guy is an UAB fan not smu

I root for about 5 teams. Including SMU and UAB. If you want to know more details then PM me.

Good to have you as a member of the "I root for multiple schools club."

When you root for more than one school in multiple conferences, it makes it easier to look at what is good for the whole instead of the individual.

Very well put. I agree fully.

(10-12-2021 01:13 PM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:10 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I am curious what CUSA's end game is here by making this public. I am sure that through back channels they are going to get a flat rejection from the AAC. What are they hoping to accomplish by getting publicly rejected?

The only rational theory I can surmise is that it sounds desperate because it is. Judy is probably aware that multiple schools are on the way out, and she has to look like she did something to try and stop it.

Otherwise, it's truly moronic.

AAC knows alot about moronic. They were going to raid the BIG XII.

Then they got rejected by MW middle-of-the-pack teams.

A lot of this also depends on the TV partners. If the Big 12 and MWC fall under the same partner, it’s unlikely that BSU will be joining the Big 12. If ESPN signs on with the Big 12, then it’s likely they go after BSU as a 14th member, forcing CSU and AFA to capitulate and join the AAC. That’s why the final two schools the Big 12 adds is crucial.

(10-12-2021 02:47 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a Middle Tennessee State fan, I would be pleased with the reorganization.

As a Memphis fan, I would be — anything but.

ffs, who do you not root for? How does that even work?

My now-elderly parents had strong personal ties, dating to the 1940s, to four universities: Vanderbilt, Belmont, Memphis and Oklahoma. I cheered for them all as a kid in the 1960s-70s. Then I enrolled at Middle Tennessee State, at which I worked in the sports information department keeping stats for the football team. By the time I moved to Chicago and got on the DePaul basketball train ... well, my multi-school fanship simply snowballed from there.

Some folks find it annoying. Others fully relate to it, as they root for lot of schools due to family factors.

I never knew anything but cheering for lots of schools.

(10-12-2021 01:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I still think Memphis and South Florida will end up in the XII. That leaves 30 (assuming Navy/Wichita St count as 1 school). I still see Navy going independent and the MWC picking up Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and Wichita St. That brings the number down to 25. At this point, perhaps East Carolina and Temple choose football independence with non-football parked in the A-10 bringing the number down to 23. Now add New Mexico St for 24 and split into 2 regional conferences.

CUSA
North: Charlotte, Georgia St, Marshall, Middle Tennessee St, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky
South: Appalachian St, Coastal Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia Southern, Troy

SBC
East: Arkansas St, South Alabama, Southern Miss, UAB, UL Lafayette, UL Monroe
West: Louisiana Tech, New Mexico St, North Texas, Texas St, UTEP, UTSA

Can't speak for CUSA, but, for me at least, this Sunbelt version, especially the west would be a ton of fun to watch. It also takes into account the separation between LaTech and Monroe, to a certain degree anyway. Also Arkansas State need to be with other southern schools. The east will always complain about coming to Texas to often but what else is new, at least this time there would be some decent travel partners.

(10-12-2021 03:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:00 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:55 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  If they wanted to go they would have went. The AAC is on plan C and everyone knows it.

CSU and AFA wanted to go but they didn't. They got brow beaten.

That being said, the AAC didn't engage them in that process.

In fact, the interest that came from CSU and AFA is only backing up the AAC's status as being the top G5. So, they stepped away from the process. That's not a black mark on the AAC's end.

Just let the expansion process play out. Maybe Army is involved. Maybe they aren't. The only things people are hearing aren't coming out of Dallas.

You've been mostly wrong on this the entire time. A few people at CSU and AFA totally misread the institutions they are representing - a case of the grass really isn't greener on the other side - and Aresco overplayed his hand as well.

Fact is that it makes little or no sense for teams from either league to switch at this point - no economic benefit.

AAC had a slight edge on the MWC, but that gap will vanish with UC, UH and UCF

Agree with all that you say in this post. I think only the AD and coach at CSU are from the midwest someplace like Michigan and were the only ones that wanted to go East. The Administration and fans wanted to stay in the MWC.

(10-12-2021 01:27 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:13 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:10 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I am curious what CUSA's end game is here by making this public. I am sure that through back channels they are going to get a flat rejection from the AAC. What are they hoping to accomplish by getting publicly rejected?

I think this is a last ditch effort by Judy to save her job. She can lord over the western half while Aresco lords over the eastern. That's what she is hoping for. In reality she is going to get tossed by C-USA once all this blows up in her face.

Have to think the C-USA schools gave her the go-ahead here.

I am sure you they did. If by some miracle it worked then everyone is happy. If it fails, then we can all pretend we tried and either move conferences or move on from her and her awful media deal.

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(10-12-2021 08:49 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:44 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a Middle Tennessee State fan, I would be pleased with the reorganization.

As a Memphis fan, I would be — anything but.

I feel like Memphis is a shoe in for the Big XII once UT/OU are really gone.

I don't see any major waves in G5 reorganization until then.

It would be nice to see some sort of agreement take place though. I don't think anyone wants another round of callups to FBS eating into the already meager crumbs of a pie that is left for the G5. The AAC should take 2 from C-USA and then everyone should just hold until the next wave.

I'm not as sure about Memphis to the Big 12 as you are. We shall see.

I’ve yet to see a compelling argument as to why Big XII would do a two-phase expansion.
Only reason I can come up with is to pause and see what happens to Big XII in the next CFP contract. If they get priced similar to G5 expansion just divides up a smaller pie more ways.

(10-14-2021 01:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 08:49 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:44 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a Middle Tennessee State fan, I would be pleased with the reorganization.

As a Memphis fan, I would be — anything but.

I feel like Memphis is a shoe in for the Big XII once UT/OU are really gone.

I don't see any major waves in G5 reorganization until then.

It would be nice to see some sort of agreement take place though. I don't think anyone wants another round of callups to FBS eating into the already meager crumbs of a pie that is left for the G5. The AAC should take 2 from C-USA and then everyone should just hold until the next wave.

I'm not as sure about Memphis to the Big 12 as you are. We shall see.

I’ve yet to see a compelling argument as to why Big XII would do a two-phase expansion.
Only reason I can come up with is to pause and see what happens to Big XII in the next CFP contract. If they get priced similar to G5 expansion just divides up a smaller pie more ways.

Agreed. There's no solid reason to believe that the Big 12 will expand beyond the 12 members that they will have after UT and OU depart.

There are many commenters here who believe in the Big Bang Theory of conference expansion, thinking that college conferences, like the universe, will just keep expanding and expanding forever. I do not subscribe to that theory.

(10-14-2021 01:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 01:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 08:49 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:44 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a Middle Tennessee State fan, I would be pleased with the reorganization.

As a Memphis fan, I would be — anything but.

I feel like Memphis is a shoe in for the Big XII once UT/OU are really gone.

I don't see any major waves in G5 reorganization until then.

It would be nice to see some sort of agreement take place though. I don't think anyone wants another round of callups to FBS eating into the already meager crumbs of a pie that is left for the G5. The AAC should take 2 from C-USA and then everyone should just hold until the next wave.

I'm not as sure about Memphis to the Big 12 as you are. We shall see.

I’ve yet to see a compelling argument as to why Big XII would do a two-phase expansion.
Only reason I can come up with is to pause and see what happens to Big XII in the next CFP contract. If they get priced similar to G5 expansion just divides up a smaller pie more ways.

Agreed. There's no solid reason to believe that the Big 12 will expand beyond the 12 members that they will have after UT and OU depart.

There are many commenters here who believe in the Big Bang Theory of conference expansion, thinking that college conferences, like the universe, will just keep expanding and expanding forever. I do not subscribe to that theory.

i think if the contract allows for an additional 2 teams without further division of the pie, they will take two. i think they will indeed push for contract for 14 teams in this manner. i think the stigma of being the smallest p5 conference still haunts the big 12.

(10-12-2021 01:28 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:46 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  Also states AAC is aggressively targeting UAB

If UAB is the only CUSA member that moves to AAC, then CUSA should count that as a win. Doesn’t make CUSA’s geographic scatter any better, but doesn’t make it any worse, either.

While I wasn't at all surprised to see UAB mentioned, was surprised we didn't see another name or two mentioned (might be a sign AAC still is undecided how many or who to target after UAB).

Or maybe this or maybe that. Pick your 4 teams already. The AAC fans have trashed enough schools already. It is killing the AAC fans that they need us. Didn't they learn from being passed over all the time and told they weren't good enough? So now they are going to do it to other schools. Incredible. They will be lucky to get whatever schools join them and then those schools can stick their noses up at everybody. Enough.

(10-12-2021 07:38 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 03:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  You've been mostly wrong on this the entire time. A few people at CSU and AFA totally misread the institutions they are representing - a case of the grass really isn't greener on the other side - and Aresco overplayed his hand as well. ...

That is one fair reading of the public discussion by from CSU and AFA ... the CSU AD in particular could be interpreted as defending the idea of talking to the AAC without supporting the idea of only the AFA and CSU moving, both in stressing the fact that UC, UCF and Houston were still in the AAC at the time he first reached out (after UConn left) ... and then framing it in terms of SDSU, Boise State, CSU and AFA all moving, which allows him to wriggle out of having to answer whether he was supporting or opposing a move ... since if the move he was "assessing" was a four-way move, and then SDSU and Boise State refused to move, he was never out into a position of having to make a final decision on the four-way move.

CSU and AFA alone moving never made sense from a practical or economic viewpoint for either the schools or the AAC, other than Aresco to crow they stole teams from the MWC.

The AAC should approach the B12 about merging and reorganizing into two conferences too LOL

(10-14-2021 01:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 01:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 08:49 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:44 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a Middle Tennessee State fan, I would be pleased with the reorganization.

As a Memphis fan, I would be — anything but.

I feel like Memphis is a shoe in for the Big XII once UT/OU are really gone.

I don't see any major waves in G5 reorganization until then.

It would be nice to see some sort of agreement take place though. I don't think anyone wants another round of callups to FBS eating into the already meager crumbs of a pie that is left for the G5. The AAC should take 2 from C-USA and then everyone should just hold until the next wave.

I'm not as sure about Memphis to the Big 12 as you are. We shall see.

I’ve yet to see a compelling argument as to why Big XII would do a two-phase expansion.
Only reason I can come up with is to pause and see what happens to Big XII in the next CFP contract. If they get priced similar to G5 expansion just divides up a smaller pie more ways.

Agreed. There's no solid reason to believe that the Big 12 will expand beyond the 12 members that they will have after UT and OU depart.

There are many commenters here who believe in the Big Bang Theory of conference expansion, thinking that college conferences, like the universe, will just keep expanding and expanding forever. I do not subscribe to that theory.

Or the nature of black holes regarding a conference collapsing thinking that all these institutions will be sucked away until the conference collapses because if it's in their minds and they want it to happen, then it has to happen.

(10-14-2021 04:10 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  CSU and AFA alone moving never made sense from a practical or economic viewpoint for either the schools or the AAC, other than Aresco to crow they stole teams from the MWC.

I wondered (including in a few comments) whether part of the CSU/AFA idea was an effort to see whether it would get Army to pick up the phone.

Of course, that wouldn't have to be the how it started ... it could well get started with the last time they talked to Boise State, Boise State said they couldn't move without more than just SDSU coming along, so Aresco tries to put together the Boise / SDSU / AFA / CSU idea, getting "we'll talk it over" then Boise / SDSU deciding against ... and then "I wonder if it will attract Army's interest if AFA/CSU gets floated."

And then when AFA and CSU supporters get wind of it, the AD's of the two schools have to stop toying with the idea and firmly reject it.

(10-14-2021 01:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 01:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 08:49 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:44 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a Middle Tennessee State fan, I would be pleased with the reorganization.

As a Memphis fan, I would be — anything but.

I feel like Memphis is a shoe in for the Big XII once UT/OU are really gone.

I don't see any major waves in G5 reorganization until then.

It would be nice to see some sort of agreement take place though. I don't think anyone wants another round of callups to FBS eating into the already meager crumbs of a pie that is left for the G5. The AAC should take 2 from C-USA and then everyone should just hold until the next wave.

I'm not as sure about Memphis to the Big 12 as you are. We shall see.

I’ve yet to see a compelling argument as to why Big XII would do a two-phase expansion.
Only reason I can come up with is to pause and see what happens to Big XII in the next CFP contract. If they get priced similar to G5 expansion just divides up a smaller pie more ways.

Agreed. There's no solid reason to believe that the Big 12 will expand beyond the 12 members that they will have after UT and OU depart.

There are many commenters here who believe in the Big Bang Theory of conference expansion, thinking that college conferences, like the universe, will just keep expanding and expanding forever. I do not subscribe to that theory.

I don't think they will, but Big 12 officials have talked about it being a real possibility.