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More momentum towards 12
Quote:So instead of getting a 12-team model across the finish line last week, the CFP management committee — comprised of 10 conference commissioners and Notre Dame’s athletic director —- went back to weighing pros and cons of an eight-team playoff.

“Retracing” steps, as one person involved in the discussions told AP.

An eight-team format could alleviate concerns about the length of the season and disruption of the academic calendar, but it is also fraught with issues — including a big one that could cost the CFP a shot at at hundreds of millions of dollars sooner rather than later:

While the playoff is thought of as a three-game event — two semifinals and the championship game — ESPN pays about $600 million per year for a seven-game package: the three that determine the national champion, plus four New Year’s Six bowls.

An eight-team playoff would fit within the existing seven-game structure, turning four bowl games that currently have no impact on the crowning of a national champion into four more valuable quarterfinals. The problem is that ESPN would not be contractually obligated to increase its rights fee to broadcast them, according to a person familiar with the agreement between ESPN and the CFP. (ESPN through a spokesman declined a request for comment by the AP.)

Because eight doesn’t create new games, there would be no way for the CFP to bring aboard new TV partners — and their millions — before the end of the contract with ESPN.

That is seen by the group as vital. Multiple TV partners means multiple bidders to drive up the price of the new, bigger playoff.


Also, having more networks than just ESPN invested in the postseason could motivate networks to invest in the regular season. This is especially important to the Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 as the expiration dates for their current media rights deals quickly approach.

https://apnews.com/article/college-footb...477ddd7412
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RE: More momentum towards 12
Just include the NY6 bowls as part of the 8-team CFB playoff (5-1-2) and leave it alone for another 50 years before they want 12.

Regular Bowl Games: December 15-January 7
Quarterfinals: December 20-25(?)
Semi-Finals: December 31-January 2nd
Finals: January 7-14

Grandfather the Rose Bowl as a semi-final Jan. 1st game and rotate the other ones as Quarterfinal & Semifinal games (Cotton, Fiesta, Peach, Orange, Sugar, along with another bowl)
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RE: More momentum towards 12
If ESPN is not willing to pay more money for an 8 team playoff then there won't be an 8 team playoff. That doesn't necessarily mean there's more momentum for a 12 team playoff. If any thing it's momentum for the status quo.
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(10-12-2021 02:59 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  If ESPN is not willing to pay more money for an 8 team playoff then there won't be an 8 team playoff. That doesn't necessarily mean there's more momentum for a 12 team playoff. If any thing it's momentum for the status quo.

Well, that's true if there isn't generally momentum for an expanded playoff of some kind. But I suspect there is.

IMO, 12 checks all the boxes.
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(10-12-2021 12:46 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Just include the NY6 bowls as part of the 8-team CFB playoff (5-1-2) and leave it alone for another 50 years before they want 12.

Regular Bowl Games: December 15-January 7
Quarterfinals: December 20-25(?)
Semi-Finals: December 31-January 2nd
Finals: January 7-14

Granddaddy the Rose Bowl as a semi-final Jan. 1st game and rotate the other ones as Quarterfinal & Semifinal games (Cotton, Fiesta, Peach, Orange, Sugar, along with another bowl)

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RE: More momentum towards 12
Problem with an 8-team playoff -- you're reducing the # of teams going to a "NY/BCS Bowl".

Right now, there's 12 teams going to a NY/BCS Bowl. It's just that the winners of the Top 2 NY/BCS Bowl -- play an extra game for a Nat Championship. It's hardly a "playoff"; about the same as a Conf Championship being a "playoff" for the Conference Championship.

Reduce the playoffs to 8 teams -- you Narrow the # of teams in the Big Bowls. That's the downside.

Take the current NY/BCS Bowl setup of 12 teams, and just make the Top 4 have a Bye. Other 8 (#5-12) play home/away games, tho. That's the downside, although in the 8-team playoff you'd still probably do that anyway. Then, it comes down to a Final 8. Too long? Ehhh. Not really tho:

Dec 23/24: 1st Round - #5-#12 play home/away games (8 teams; 4 games)
Dec 31/Jan1: 2nd Round - Top 4 VS 1st Round winners (8 teams; 4 games)
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Jan 17: National Championship
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Within a decade, it will be 16 if they go to 12 within the next three years.
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(10-12-2021 03:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Problem with an 8-team playoff -- you're reducing the # of teams going to a "NY/BCS Bowl".

Right now, there's 12 teams going to a NY/BCS Bowl. It's just that the winners of the Top 2 NY/BCS Bowl -- play an extra game for a Nat Championship. It's hardly a "playoff"; about the same as a Conf Championship being a "playoff" for the Conference Championship.

Reduce the playoffs to 8 teams -- you Narrow the # of teams in the Big Bowls. That's the downside.

Take the current NY/BCS Bowl setup of 12 teams, and just make the Top 4 have a Bye. Other 8 (#5-12) play home/away games, tho. That's the downside, although in the 8-team playoff you'd still probably do that anyway. Then, it comes down to a Final 8. Too long? Ehhh. Not really tho:

Dec 23/24: 1st Round - #5-#12 play home/away games (8 teams; 4 games)
Dec 31/Jan1: 2nd Round - Top 4 VS 1st Round winners (8 teams; 4 games)
Jan 7/8: Final Four
Jan 17: National Championship

17 games for college kids seems like a stretch. I already think a 17 game NFL schedule is stupid.

Not like they can’t have important regular bowl games such as the Holiday Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Citrus Bowl, Outback Bowl, Gator Bowl, Sun Bowl, Independence Bowl, Liberty Bowl, etc for the crappier tier.
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(10-12-2021 04:05 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Within a decade, it will be 16 if they go to 12 within the next three years.

Yeah that’s why I like 8. Doesn’t dilute the regular season.

I quite like a 5-1-2 system or a straight 8.
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(10-13-2021 05:02 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 04:05 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Within a decade, it will be 16 if they go to 12 within the next three years.

Yeah that’s why I like 8. Doesn’t dilute the regular season.

I quite like a 5-1-2 system or a straight 8.

If it goes to 8, I think they may go with a compromise. Top three conference champions + 5 at large.
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(10-13-2021 10:58 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 05:02 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 04:05 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Within a decade, it will be 16 if they go to 12 within the next three years.

Yeah that’s why I like 8. Doesn’t dilute the regular season.

I quite like a 5-1-2 system or a straight 8.

If it goes to 8, I think they may go with a compromise. Top three conference champions + 5 at large.

Not sure 3+5 is any different than straight 8. For a compromise, I could see them bringing back a BCS-ish Top X rule where the 5th-8th seeds can be replaced by Champions in the Top 12.

I do agree with your original comment about 12 leading to 16. Once the calendar for 12 is figured out, it is a slippery slope to 16.
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(10-13-2021 10:58 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 05:02 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 04:05 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Within a decade, it will be 16 if they go to 12 within the next three years.

Yeah that’s why I like 8. Doesn’t dilute the regular season.

I quite like a 5-1-2 system or a straight 8.

If it goes to 8, I think they may go with a compromise. Top three conference champions + 5 at large.

I cant see the Pac agreeing to that, primarily because they would still have almost no chance of making the playoffs.
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This is really good. That rationale makes perfect sense. Thank you.
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That's an interesting idea for filling an 8-team playoff.

The field will take the top 6 conference champs as long as each of those conference champ are ranked in the top 12 overall. The rest of the field will be filled with at large teams.
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(10-14-2021 12:17 PM)goofus Wrote:  That's an interesting idea for filling an 8-team playoff.

The field will take the top 6 conference champs as long as each of those conference champ are ranked in the top 12 overall. The rest of the field will be filled with at large teams.

As long as there’s no “P5” or “G5” nonsense that sounds great.

They can’t water down the regular season very much IMO.
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(10-14-2021 12:17 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(10-14-2021 11:05 AM)Crayton Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 10:58 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  If it goes to 8, I think they may go with a compromise. Top three conference champions + 5 at large.

Not sure 3+5 is any different than straight 8. For a compromise, I could see them bringing back a BCS-ish Top X rule where the 5th-8th seeds can be replaced by Champions in the Top 12.

That's an interesting idea for filling an 8-team playoff.

The field will take the top 6 conference champs as long as each of those conference champ are ranked in the top 12 overall. The rest of the field will be filled with at large teams.

You definitely want to ensure the Top 4 Overall teams ('maybe' Top 5) get playoff spots no matter who finishes behind them; don't want #4 'Bama (who, importantly, would make the playoff within the current format) missing the playoff because Coastal finished #12 and not #13.

You probably would also have to specify that a Top 12 Champ can only replace a "conference runner-up" ranked 5th-8th. That way an independent (a category somewhere in between a "conference champ" and an "at large") has the same target as within a Straight Eight.
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Maybe do some Math (unlikely but fun). The next highest ranked Champ can replace the worst at-large in the playoff provided their rank is less than or equal to the at-large's rank x2.

So, a #16 Champ 'could' replace the #8 team... but that'd presume there are no champs between #7 and #16.

The #5 team 'could' be replaced, but only if they are the worst at-large in the playoff and they are replaced by a Champ in the Top 10.

The Top 4 teams are mathematically guaranteed to make the playoff.
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(10-11-2021 07:51 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  
Quote:So instead of getting a 12-team model across the finish line last week, the CFP management committee — comprised of 10 conference commissioners and Notre Dame’s athletic director —- went back to weighing pros and cons of an eight-team playoff.

“Retracing” steps, as one person involved in the discussions told AP.

An eight-team format could alleviate concerns about the length of the season and disruption of the academic calendar, but it is also fraught with issues — including a big one that could cost the CFP a shot at at hundreds of millions of dollars sooner rather than later:

While the playoff is thought of as a three-game event — two semifinals and the championship game — ESPN pays about $600 million per year for a seven-game package: the three that determine the national champion, plus four New Year’s Six bowls.

An eight-team playoff would fit within the existing seven-game structure, turning four bowl games that currently have no impact on the crowning of a national champion into four more valuable quarterfinals. The problem is that ESPN would not be contractually obligated to increase its rights fee to broadcast them, according to a person familiar with the agreement between ESPN and the CFP. (ESPN through a spokesman declined a request for comment by the AP.)

Because eight doesn’t create new games, there would be no way for the CFP to bring aboard new TV partners — and their millions — before the end of the contract with ESPN.

That is seen by the group as vital. Multiple TV partners means multiple bidders to drive up the price of the new, bigger playoff.


Also, having more networks than just ESPN invested in the postseason could motivate networks to invest in the regular season. This is especially important to the Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 as the expiration dates for their current media rights deals quickly approach.

https://apnews.com/article/college-footb...477ddd7412

Didn’t the alliance say they want to wait until the end of the current term? To me this article actually suggests that the 8 team model is very much in contention.
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I like 6-2: top 6 champs plus 2 at larges.

I think the on campus play in games that a 12 team bracket would require is too many games.
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Sounds like an 8 team playoff is a non starter, The interesting part to me was that the committee thinks they could implement an expanded playoff by the 24' season and that ESPN would not have exclusive rights.... that changes my thought on this completely.

So it will be a 12 team playoff, it's just a question of when.

My guess on format is 5+1+6... 5 P5 champs + 1 best of the rest champ + 6 wildcards
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