(01-16-2022 09:59 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  You are both right and wrong in your statements.

Dak didn't have a great game. Nowhere close. The OL was horrible and probably did more to cost them the game than any other aspect. Holding the 49ers to 23, the Cowboys absolutely should've won that game. They have FAR too much talent not to win.

They have overpaid for both Dak and Zeke, it will really start to bite them in the next few years when some of their great backups sign with other teams. An NFL team just can't pay multiple players max salaries and keep a great team. It will happen to every team that does that. Look at Seattle, once they paid Wilson that much, have they contended since?

The Ump screwed up twice BIG. After the fake punt, nobody subbed and yet he prevented the Cowboys from forcing the 49ers from having to take a TO by letting them sub. The final play, he didn't start moving forward until after the play ended and was FAR too deep. Never should have come to it though.

The salary cap literally played zero role in anything the team did this year. Those contracts have not cost Dallas any key players. Not one single guy.

It may in future years, but it has not cost them any key losses yet. It has nothing to do with what happen today or this year. Daks contract will not even be a top 5 QB salary in 2-3 years. Guys are gonna cash in for way more than that over the next few years.

Anyone trying to blame this loss on the refs is just not living in reality. The cowboys played AWFUL football from the opening kickoff. One stupid penalty after another.

They choked and played like total losers, and there is no other excuse out there that will work. Not their salaries, not the ref's, nothing.

They called an incredibly stupid game on offense and committed penalty after penalty after penalty.

44 pass attempts against 6-7 man coverages. That is STUPID football. The majority of the sacks and pressures were due to coverage, not the line getting run over. The line did not have a great game (just from a blocking standpoint), but it was not terrible. There were a lot of coverage sacks and QB hits. And those penalties. UGH

loved stephen a smith's reaction to the cowgirls loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLkr9SZTyD8

Man I don't what I have done to deserve this but this is just frustrating...

Being a fan of the worse disclipline football, combined with being a fan of the worse disciplined basketball team just sucks the joy out of you...

You just see all the potential just to be wasted with Mental error after Mental error...

I think it would be better if they just weren't good.

(01-17-2022 03:34 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Man I don't what I have done to deserve this but this is just frustrating...

Being a fan of the worse disclipline football, combined with being a fan of the worse disciplined basketball team just sucks the joy out of you...

You just see all the potential just to be wasted with Mental error after Mental error...

I think it would be better if they just weren't good.

Yep. Very similar. Made for 1 aggravating weekend for sure. Still no other NFL team I’d rather be a fan of though.

Its a good day for America when evil does not triumph.

(01-17-2022 07:48 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  Its a good day for America when evil does not triumph.

America hasn't had many good days lately.

(01-17-2022 11:16 AM)tigertaylor Wrote:  loved stephen a smith's reaction to the cowgirls loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLkr9SZTyD8

there was a thread on twitter about the most punchable face...someone posted a pic of Lester Quinones.
I'd submit Stephen A. Smith as the most punchable face. Never have liked that smug, blowhard turd.

(01-17-2022 08:37 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 07:48 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  Its a good day for America when evil does not triumph.

America hasn't had many good days lately.

America had a great week last week. biden not so much.

(01-18-2022 12:19 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:16 AM)tigertaylor Wrote:  loved stephen a smith's reaction to the cowgirls loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLkr9SZTyD8

there was a thread on twitter about the most punchable face...someone posted a pic of Lester Quinones.
I'd submit Stephen A. Smith as the most punchable face. Never have liked that smug, blowhard turd.

Yeah that is his persona...

You cant be genuine and make money anymore in that role anymore.

(01-18-2022 12:19 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:16 AM)tigertaylor Wrote:  loved stephen a smith's reaction to the cowgirls loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLkr9SZTyD8

there was a thread on twitter about the most punchable face...someone posted a pic of Lester Quinones.
I'd submit Stephen A. Smith as the most punchable face. Never have liked that smug, blowhard turd.

He’s representing the myriad of football fans that don’t give a sh!t about the cowboys and their constant harping every year that this is the year of the SB. Loved him expressing what the rest of the football non-cowboy fans are thinking.

(01-18-2022 05:49 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 12:19 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:16 AM)tigertaylor Wrote:  loved stephen a smith's reaction to the cowgirls loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLkr9SZTyD8

there was a thread on twitter about the most punchable face...someone posted a pic of Lester Quinones.
I'd submit Stephen A. Smith as the most punchable face. Never have liked that smug, blowhard turd.

He’s representing the myriad of football fans that don’t give a sh!t about the cowboys and their constant harping every year that this is the year of the SB. Loved him expressing what the rest of the football non-cowboy fans are thinking.

Every team in the NFL has fans that think this is their teams year. The difference is the Cowboys have WAY more fans across the country than other teams. And more importantly the MEDIA gives more attention to the cowboys than any other team in the country. The players are more famous than 95% of the rest of the NFL, even when they are an 8-8 team.

And that breeds a ton of jealousy and hatred from non cowboys fans. And it breeds hatred and jealousy from the rest of the NFL teams and players, they get sick and tired of turning on the TV every single day and hearing the media talk about and hype the Dallas Cowboys.

But the reality is the cowboys have not been the SB favorite since 1995. Not one single time since 1995 have they been the favorite preseason or at the start of the playoffs. They have had some good teams, this year was their best in 26 years. But they were never the favorite to win it all, they were never the best team.

I posted this in another thread but its really belongs here:



Most of the GM duties are being handled incredibly well, that is what is so frustrating about all of this. They draft really, really well, the don't waste money in free agency, they don't get caught in salary cap hell, they tend to find bargain based FA's who are productive, they do an awful lot of things really well at the GM level. Not perfect, but better than most of the NFL.

Fans always assume it Jerry who is the GM but its not. Stephen Jones really is the GM, not Jerry. At this stage Jerry is just the guy who signs off on the moves. Jerry really delegates most of the football decisions to Stephen, the head coach and Will McClay. Jerry gets more involved when they are hiring a head coach, but after that he really delegates most pure football decisions and sticks to the business aspect of the franchise.

What they really need is a head coach with an overpowering personality that installs fear across the board on the coaches and players. Think Jimmie Johnson and Bill Parcells. Its not so much about x and o's as it is CULTURE.

And there are not many of those out there now. Bill Belichick is one, but the list is short. I used to think John Gruden would have been a great pick, but of course his career is in the dumpster now. Maybe Jim Harbaugh or Sean Peyton? Maybe Mike Tomlin? It needs to be a clear HOF coach with HUGE gravitas and persona. Its seems like there are less and less of those types, even Harbaugh and Peyton are kinda only 3/4th of that.

The Dallas cowboys are like the NY Yankees or the Lakers, its a circus job just because its "Americas Team" and gets more obsessive media attention than any other franchise in the NFL. When you play for the cowboys you are one of the most famous people on the planet earth. It takes a very unique coach to create the right culture in that circus like environment.

As frustrated and angry as we all get at the Jones family, the truth is its harder to build that culture in Dallas than it is on any other team in the NFL. But they are still the people at the top, so it falls on them.

As disgusting as that loss was, the team did go from 6-10 to 12-5. That is a big turnaround.

The problem is we can all see the ceiling and its a wild card or divisional playoff round. And the ceiling is not because of talent, or the QB, or because of the character of the players. They draft as well and smartly as any team in the NFL, they draft and sign guys who are high character people both on and off the field.

Its the culture and coaching style form the top that allows them to be the most penalized team in the NFL and not play to their strengths in key moments. And that falls on the Jones family for not seeing this problem.

McCarthy is a good coach, but he is the WRONG coach for the Dallas Cowboys. He is much more effective in smaller market areas not surrounded by this circus like ethos around the cowboys. And that is the case for 95% of NFL coaches, not just him.

The list of head coaches who would thrive with the Cowboys is very short.

(01-18-2022 07:03 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  As disgusting as that loss was, the team did go from 6-10 to 12-5. That is a big turnaround.

The problem is we can all see the ceiling and its a wild card or divisional playoff round. And the ceiling is not because of talent, or the QB, or because of the character of the players. They draft as well and smartly as any team in the NFL, they draft and sign guys who are high character people both on and off the field.

Its the culture and coaching style form the top that allows them to be the most penalized team in the NFL and not play to their strengths in key moments. And that falls on the Jones family for not seeing this problem.

McCarthy is a good coach, but he is the WRONG coach for the Dallas Cowboys. He is much more effective in smaller market areas not surrounded by this circus like ethos around the cowboys. And that is the case for 95% of NFL coaches, not just him.

The list of head coaches who would thrive with the Cowboys is very short.

I am a Titan fan and while I watch every game the Titans play, I rarely watch other teams. I dont know what kind of coach McCarthy really is, but looking at that one play, there were serious coaching mistakes.

Dak catches the ball on the 46 and finishes his slide at the 22. Jumps up, the offense is running up and lining up. Dak hands the ball to the center. The center spots the ball. The ref runs into Dak, gets to the ball, moves the ball back 1/2 a yard, runs backwards and time expires.

Dak made 4 mistakes in that one play. One was 100% on Dak, the other 3 were coaching mistakes.

Dak's mistake.. as soon as the play was over Romo was saying "that is supposed to be a 10-12yd run". McCarthy said he wanted to take it down to the 30. Dak said he ran too far. Pretty simple to recognize that mistake. Dak got greedy and didnt go down fast enough.

next mistake.. Dak jumps up and starts looking for his center, not the ref. Can you ever remember a player getting tackled and runs to the center to give them the ball instead of a ref? No situational awareness at all.

then.. he actually gives the ball to the center who spots the ball 3 yards from where the slide actually began... the ball is DEAD the moment the qb BEGINS the slide. You dont get to spot it at the end of the slide.

he follows that by curling around the center and directly in front of the ref who is trying to get to the ball. Like he is completely unaware that a ref needs to touch/spot the ball.

McCarthy said they practiced that play often and knew they had enough time.. well, that tells me all I need to know.. they actually practiced the players OUT of doing the right thing. I am going to guess (with a lot of confidence) they didnt include simulating a ref in their practices. They focused on everyone rushing up and snapping the ball as fast as they could without bothering with the "ref and rules" aspects.

Dak has spent his life playing football, he didnt "forget" that a ref has to spot the ball. It was "practiced" out of him. Rushing up, lining up, center snapping the ball... BOOM. We did it in 8 seconds we rock! Uh, sure.. but if the center gets to choose where he wants to spot the ball there will never be a 4th and 1 again in the NFL, the center will just move the ball up a yard and call it first down.

(01-18-2022 09:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I am a Titan fan and while I watch every game the Titans play, I rarely watch other teams. I dont know what kind of coach McCarthy really is, but looking at that one play, there were serious coaching mistakes.

Dak catches the ball on the 46 and finishes his slide at the 22. Jumps up, the offense is running up and lining up. Dak hands the ball to the center. The center spots the ball. The ref runs into Dak, gets to the ball, moves the ball back 1/2 a yard, runs backwards and time expires.

Dak made 4 mistakes in that one play. One was 100% on Dak, the other 3 were coaching mistakes.

Dak's mistake.. as soon as the play was over Romo was saying "that is supposed to be a 10-12yd run". McCarthy said he wanted to take it down to the 30. Dak said he ran too far. Pretty simple to recognize that mistake. Dak got greedy and didnt go down fast enough.

next mistake.. Dak jumps up and starts looking for his center, not the ref. Can you ever remember a player getting tackled and runs to the center to give them the ball instead of a ref? No situational awareness at all.

then.. he actually gives the ball to the center who spots the ball 3 yards from where the slide actually began... the ball is DEAD the moment the qb BEGINS the slide. You dont get to spot it at the end of the slide.

he follows that by curling around the center and directly in front of the ref who is trying to get to the ball. Like he is completely unaware that a ref needs to touch/spot the ball.

McCarthy said they practiced that play often and knew they had enough time.. well, that tells me all I need to know.. they actually practiced the players OUT of doing the right thing. I am going to guess (with a lot of confidence) they didnt include simulating a ref in their practices. They focused on everyone rushing up and snapping the ball as fast as they could without bothering with the "ref and rules" aspects.

Dak has spent his life playing football, he didnt "forget" that a ref has to spot the ball. It was "practiced" out of him. Rushing up, lining up, center snapping the ball... BOOM. We did it in 8 seconds we rock! Uh, sure.. but if the center gets to choose where he wants to spot the ball there will never be a 4th and 1 again in the NFL, the center will just move the ball up a yard and call it first down.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I have just avoid debating the last play at all because its everything they did the entire game leading up to that that's really the issue. They had choked the game away long before we got to that last play. They had 30 seconds to drive 80 yards and get a touchdown with ZERO timeouts. The chances of winning in that situation were microscopic in the first place. Lets say Dak handles it perfectly, at best they would have got one more play and the niners would have put 9 guys in the end zone in coverage. There was a 98% chance it would have been intercepted or incomplete.

For me, focusing on the last play ignores the far bigger issues the team had in that game and in general.

They were down 23-7 coming in to the 4th quarter and most of it was their won fault due to incredibly stupid penalties and forcing 45 passes against a defense that was daring you to run the ball.

They got their teeth kicked in the 1st half and its inexcusable. How in the world do you come out and play that sloppy and unorganized in the first half? And nothing changed in the 3rd quarter after halftime, it was just more of the same.

(01-18-2022 06:32 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:49 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 12:19 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:16 AM)tigertaylor Wrote:  loved stephen a smith's reaction to the cowgirls loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLkr9SZTyD8

there was a thread on twitter about the most punchable face...someone posted a pic of Lester Quinones.
I'd submit Stephen A. Smith as the most punchable face. Never have liked that smug, blowhard turd.

He’s representing the myriad of football fans that don’t give a sh!t about the cowboys and their constant harping every year that this is the year of the SB. Loved him expressing what the rest of the football non-cowboy fans are thinking.

Every team in the NFL has fans that think this is their teams year. The difference is the Cowboys have WAY more fans across the country than other teams. And more importantly the MEDIA gives more attention to the cowboys than any other team in the country. The players are more famous than 95% of the rest of the NFL, even when they are an 8-8 team.

And that breeds a ton of jealousy and hatred from non cowboys fans. And it breeds hatred and jealousy from the rest of the NFL teams and players, they get sick and tired of turning on the TV every single day and hearing the media talk about and hype the Dallas Cowboys.

But the reality is the cowboys have not been the SB favorite since 1995. Not one single time since 1995 have they been the favorite preseason or at the start of the playoffs. They have had some good teams, this year was their best in 26 years. But they were never the favorite to win it all, they were never the best team.

(01-19-2022 04:20 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:32 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:49 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 12:19 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:16 AM)tigertaylor Wrote:  loved stephen a smith's reaction to the cowgirls loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLkr9SZTyD8

there was a thread on twitter about the most punchable face...someone posted a pic of Lester Quinones.
I'd submit Stephen A. Smith as the most punchable face. Never have liked that smug, blowhard turd.

He’s representing the myriad of football fans that don’t give a sh!t about the cowboys and their constant harping every year that this is the year of the SB. Loved him expressing what the rest of the football non-cowboy fans are thinking.

Every team in the NFL has fans that think this is their teams year. The difference is the Cowboys have WAY more fans across the country than other teams. And more importantly the MEDIA gives more attention to the cowboys than any other team in the country. The players are more famous than 95% of the rest of the NFL, even when they are an 8-8 team.

And that breeds a ton of jealousy and hatred from non cowboys fans. And it breeds hatred and jealousy from the rest of the NFL teams and players, they get sick and tired of turning on the TV every single day and hearing the media talk about and hype the Dallas Cowboys.

But the reality is the cowboys have not been the SB favorite since 1995. Not one single time since 1995 have they been the favorite preseason or at the start of the playoffs. They have had some good teams, this year was their best in 26 years. But they were never the favorite to win it all, they were never the best team.

We all deserve at least a little happiness in our lives my man.

I am happy for you.

I was wrong about the center spotting the ball. The more I have read I have found out that it is legal for the center to spot the ball IF he spots it in the correct spot. So that mistake was not on Dak, but then it changes the mistake to the center for not immediately finding the side judge who was marking the spot (the 25 1/4 yd line). Once again that falls back to coaching though. It should have been "coached" into him to look for the mark, spot the ball, ref touches the ball, snap the ball. Not, spot the ball, snap the ball.

(01-19-2022 09:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 04:20 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:32 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:49 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 12:19 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  there was a thread on twitter about the most punchable face...someone posted a pic of Lester Quinones.
I'd submit Stephen A. Smith as the most punchable face. Never have liked that smug, blowhard turd.

He’s representing the myriad of football fans that don’t give a sh!t about the cowboys and their constant harping every year that this is the year of the SB. Loved him expressing what the rest of the football non-cowboy fans are thinking.

Every team in the NFL has fans that think this is their teams year. The difference is the Cowboys have WAY more fans across the country than other teams. And more importantly the MEDIA gives more attention to the cowboys than any other team in the country. The players are more famous than 95% of the rest of the NFL, even when they are an 8-8 team.

And that breeds a ton of jealousy and hatred from non cowboys fans. And it breeds hatred and jealousy from the rest of the NFL teams and players, they get sick and tired of turning on the TV every single day and hearing the media talk about and hype the Dallas Cowboys.

But the reality is the cowboys have not been the SB favorite since 1995. Not one single time since 1995 have they been the favorite preseason or at the start of the playoffs. They have had some good teams, this year was their best in 26 years. But they were never the favorite to win it all, they were never the best team.

We all deserve at least a little happiness in our lives my man.

I am happy for you.

lol

He is laying out the same things I was pointing too, not because we are so smart but because its the elephant in the room.

About mid season teams began to send 7 guys into coverage and rush 4 most of the game. They stopped blitzing (Dak's numbers against the blitz are super elite), stopped worrying about the run and began to just blanket the WR's over the top with both safeties and basically made it impossible to get the ball downfield to Lamb or Cooper.

If you watched the season play out, the WR's all but vanished from the offense about week 7 or so and the TE numbers underneath took off. Every time Dak dropped back (45 times a game) the WR's were both double covered, the CB's also played soft underneath because of the safety help, and the only option was TE or back check down. Even they were surround by defenders because it was a 7 man coverage

You couple that with inconsistent line play and a total refusal to commit to the run and go power football and the QB is going to struggle big time. I don't care who is at QB, they are not going to thrive in those situations. You drop back 45-50 times in those circumstances and you are setting the QB up to fail.

Two things have GOT to change:

1- they have to get better at LG and center and cut out all the pre snap penalties and holds.

2- Kellen Moore has GOT to start committing to the run and stop forcing the pass 45 times a game against 7 man coverage.

That includes getting more creative in the run designs instead of just the pass.

I don't want to hear this crap about Zeke being washed up, the guy ran for 1000 yards and averaged 4 yards per carry on a torn knee ligament. He is not 2016 Zeke but he is NOT washed up, and Pollard can give you major production and explosion to off set Zeke's power style.