(10-11-2021 11:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 11:28 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 10:20 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 09:54 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 09:50 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Wrong, again...

S. Miss is not selling 26,000 tickets and Marshall is not selling 25,000 tickets and UAB is not selling 25,000 tickets. Your AD is making up numbers for the box scores.

Unless no students are showing up and for S. Miss and UAB 60% of those who bought a ticket are not showing up. Which seems very unlikely since Marshall most likely has the highest amount for season tickets sold .

The highest I found for that was around 10k and the Marshall average was around 8500. With a new coach I would guess that number might have went up. But going by post on THIS board...Marshall pissed off a bunch of season ticket holders by charging more for their same seat location.



Western's average is 7500 on season tickets with a high of 8500 and this years total was running slightly ahead of the average.

If S. Miss averages 8,000 in season tickets sold and they sold 26,000 tickets for this game. Thousands of people who bought walk up/on line tickets did not show up for the game.

UAB reported 24,726 average for 2019 and they sold a total of $1,592,015 in tickets sold and that includes UAB basketball (S. Miss sold $137,269 for Men basketball so you can assume UAB tripled that) and all other tickets sold....

7000 in season tickets at $25 (on average) a game is $1,050,000

Marshall might come the closes to reporting tickets sold but not everyone list their box score attendance numbers as "tickets sold"

Case in point as I posted the copy of the actually doc's UTSA sent to the NCAA . Not the exact numbers because its been a couple years...

UTSA reported attendance around 22k and turned in doc's to the NCAA of actually tickets sold around 13k

Dumbest post ever goes to you. Why would an AD buy up tickets unless they are trying to meet the 15k minimum? I’m sorry but no athletic department is buying up random tickets just for the sake of a number. To get to 15k sure. Anything over that is just dumb.

If you are going to call something "dumbest post ever"

You should at the very least make sure you quoted the correct post. Even if you were not addressing the quoted post I will take a shot at your answer. For the record you are 100% WRONG! A few MAC schools do just that and when UNCC built their stadium they knew if it did not sell out they would have to also.

The NCAA does have docs a school has to sign and if they are caught lying they could be put on probation. Or fined.

I never said that it doesn’t happen. You obviously overlooked that portion or maybe I didn’t Hooked on Phonics it enough for you. I’m saying why would an AD purchase an amount of tickets over 15k? For example, let’s say a school had 10k tickets purchased for their games. An AD would buy 5k tickets to meet the 15k requirement. It would be a waste of money to go over that amount because the only reason the AD is doing it is to check a box for the NCAA. The attendance numbers in these cases should be between 15-16k. The reason for the gap is because an AD cannot project the exact amount of last minute ticket purchases. The schools you’re talking about are over 20k tickets. That would be complete overkill for this topic. I know the people in BG aren’t the smartest so hopefully this clears it up for you lol.

I dont get into the little personal insults and once you feel the need to go there....

you are finished because you must not have anything else to add. In that case, its a waste of my time. Well unless you are Reggie Favor and you're not.

Bug off unless you actually want to talk facts. Like the fact a school must meet the 15,000 on a two year rolling average. In that case if a school is buying up their own tickets they might have to buy more to make up for the year they were not in compliance. In the end its no cost to the school if they buy all empty seats....

its two lines on a budget sheet. One in the expense of the school transferring money to the ticket office to buy the ticket. Then that money becomes a revenue for the school. At the end of the year no money left the bank account for the tickets bought by that school.

Bahaha okay boomer

(10-11-2021 12:00 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 08:40 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Everyone reports tickets sold. Not sure why some get so upset about this. Let it go.

Not so fast, my friend. Most schools' stadiums (not sure about cusa) use a hand held ticket code counter at the gate. Easy way to count and report accurate attendance.

While I agree in theory, for some crazy reason, we (Charlotte) do not post tickets sold. We post tickets scanned. I don't get it. I don't know why we do it. But we do it. Several years ago we sold out the marshall game in the rain, and nobody came because it was literally a monsoon. We reported like 4k and had sold the game out earlier in the week.

UAB has gone over to e-ticketing primarily, and those and whatever cardboard tickets are all scanned, at least in theory. There were a couple of dozen reports on Blazertalk of tickets not getting scanned for the Liberty game, and that group is a very small proportion of UAB fans. Things ran much more smoothly last weekend, the second at Protective, and I saw no such posts.

(10-11-2021 11:47 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 10:29 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  This is a message board, not a UAB press release and post on this topic is in context to a message board. And "attendance" is a "look at me" topic and in that case you must not think facts are important to a topic.

I personally believe facts should always be important in a "look at me topic". But I understand why some people would rather not include them.

Right. Let's talk facts. Here are the *NCAA* attendance numbers for 2017, 18, and 19. They don't have stats up for the 2020 Covid season, and there is no fair way to use them if they did as the schedule was completely out of whack.

First off, here are the best attended schools by season:

2017 2018 2019

1. UAB 1. UTSA 1. Southern Miss.

2. UTSA 2. UAB 2. UAB

3. N. Texas 3. Marshall 3. Marshall

The average attendance numbers for the above were between 26k and 22k.

Schools averaging more than 20k were La. Tech (2), Marshall (3), N. Texas (3), ODU (1), Rice (2), So. Miss (3), UTSA (2, missed #3 by less than 100).

WKU was 10th, 11th, and 11th.

Until your school manages to at least get into the top half of the conference in attendance, would you kindly stop talking attendance smack? It's annoying as hell to the schools that average 8 to 10k more, and you simply don't have the standing to be calling anyone else out.

When are you going to get with the program that's BOX SCORE listed attendance. I've proved that over and over and over...

some schools (not many) use actually attendance. The rest pull a number out of the air . Western is one of those few schools that list actually attendance...ASSES IN SEATS .

UAB is not one of those schools and the below facts proves it , unless UAB is selling 88,356 tickets for a .28 cents each

2019 UAB reported :

UAB reported 24,726 average or 148, 356 total fans. For the year of 2019 UAB reported (to government ) they had a total of $1,592,015 in tickets sold. That includes BASKETBALL and all other tickets sold.

In that same year S. Miss sold $137,269 for Men basketball and another $39,000 for the ladies program. I'm going to assume that a basketball school will average at least 3 times what S. Miss will in basketball tickets sold. UAB was still winning 20 games a season for 2018 and 2019.

So we have a total tickets sold of $1,592,015 and 3x what S. Miss sold in basketball is $528,807 and that leaves $1,063,208 for UAB in tickets sold to cover football and all other sports.

Lets just give the total to football and that comes out to a average of $7 a ticket sold. Lets move to another step and if UAB is averaging 24k in attendance you have to assume they are at least middle of the pack in season tickets sold.

Lets put that number at 5,000 (probably about middle of CUSA, Western 7,500, Marshall 8,500). Season tickets are not discounted and at a low average of $25 (Western's cheapest is $20, mine is $35 and a lot way higher)

Well those 5, 000 season tickets (30k over 6 games) are coming in at $750,000 and that leaves a total of $331,208 for 118,356 of "attendance"

Lets assume another 5,000 a game in students show up (30,000 total over 6 home games) and now that leaves $313,208 to cover 88,356 in "attendance"

A average of .28 cents a ticket, Dollar night at the UAB stadium became 3/4 off dollar night.


But you go ahead and keep believe the box score "attendance" those are not the same numbers UAB or anyone else reports to the NCAA on official Docs

(10-11-2021 12:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 11:47 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 10:29 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  This is a message board, not a UAB press release and post on this topic is in context to a message board. And "attendance" is a "look at me" topic and in that case you must not think facts are important to a topic.

I personally believe facts should always be important in a "look at me topic". But I understand why some people would rather not include them.

Right. Let's talk facts. Here are the *NCAA* attendance numbers for 2017, 18, and 19. They don't have stats up for the 2020 Covid season, and there is no fair way to use them if they did as the schedule was completely out of whack.

First off, here are the best attended schools by season:

2017 2018 2019

1. UAB 1. UTSA 1. Southern Miss.

2. UTSA 2. UAB 2. UAB

3. N. Texas 3. Marshall 3. Marshall

The average attendance numbers for the above were between 26k and 22k.

Schools averaging more than 20k were La. Tech (2), Marshall (3), N. Texas (3), ODU (1), Rice (2), So. Miss (3), UTSA (2, missed #3 by less than 100).

WKU was 10th, 11th, and 11th.

Until your school manages to at least get into the top half of the conference in attendance, would you kindly stop talking attendance smack? It's annoying as hell to the schools that average 8 to 10k more, and you simply don't have the standing to be calling anyone else out.

When are you going to get with the program that's BOX SCORE listed attendance. I've proved that over and over and over...

some schools (not many) use actually attendance. The rest pull a number out of the air . Western is one of those few schools that list actually attendance...ASSES IN SEATS .

UAB is not one of those schools and the below facts proves it , unless UAB is selling 10,000 tickets for a dollar each

2019 UAB reported :

UAB reported 24,726 average or 148, 356 total fans. For the year of 2019 UAB reported (to government ) they had a total of $1,592,015 in tickets sold. That includes BASKETBALL and all other tickets sold.

In that same year S. Miss sold $137,269 for Men basketball and another $39,000 for the ladies program. I'm going to assume that a basketball school will average at least 3 times what S. Miss will in basketball tickets sold. UAB was still winning 20 games a season for 2018 and 2019.

So we have a total tickets sold of $1,592,015 and 3x what S. Miss sold in basketball is $528,807 and that leaves $1,063,208 for UAB in tickets sold to cover football and all other sports.

Lets just give the total to football and that comes out to a average of $7 a ticket sold. Lets move to another step and if UAB is averaging 24k in attendance you have to assume they are at least middle of the pack in season tickets sold.

Lets put that number at 5,000 (probably about middle of CUSA 9Western 7,500, Marshall 8,500). Season tickets are not discounted and at a low average of $25 (Western's cheapest is $20, mine is $35 and a lot way higher)

Well those 5, 000 season tickets are coming in at $750,000 and that leaves a total of $331,208 for a total of 118,356 of "attendance"

Lets assume another 5,000 a game in students show up (30,000 total over 6 home games) and now that leaves $313,208 to cover 88,356 in "attendance"

A average of .28 cents a ticket, Dollar night at the UAB stadium became 3/4 off dollar night.


But you go ahead and keep believe the box score "attendance" those are not the same numbers UAB or anyone else reports to the NCAA on official Docs

A lot of assumptions to justify your attendance numbers. We get it.

Hey, his assumptions are right, and everybody else’s are wrong. There are so many missing pieces I could fill in for him, but it’s just not worth it.

(10-11-2021 11:57 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Maybe we should just rope off the areas in the shade, social gathering areas, Blazer Club and Champions club and force them to sit i their seats. No more food and alcohol.

That WKU guy is whacked.

You keep believing in the tooth fairy I will deal in facts and I allowed 1500 for those people not in view.

One easy way to prove the 10 to 15k you said were "hiding" show the pictures? You telling me there are no pictures of all parts of the B'ham Stadium from game night?

When you make a comment that 45% of the fans were "hidden" from view you should be the one to prove your point.

Tooth fairy
Easter Bunny
Santa (now he's real, I saw him when I was 6 years old)
10 to 15k of UAB fans hiding in the concourse

(10-11-2021 12:20 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 12:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 11:47 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 10:29 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  This is a message board, not a UAB press release and post on this topic is in context to a message board. And "attendance" is a "look at me" topic and in that case you must not think facts are important to a topic.

I personally believe facts should always be important in a "look at me topic". But I understand why some people would rather not include them.

Right. Let's talk facts. Here are the *NCAA* attendance numbers for 2017, 18, and 19. They don't have stats up for the 2020 Covid season, and there is no fair way to use them if they did as the schedule was completely out of whack.

First off, here are the best attended schools by season:

2017 2018 2019

1. UAB 1. UTSA 1. Southern Miss.

2. UTSA 2. UAB 2. UAB

3. N. Texas 3. Marshall 3. Marshall

The average attendance numbers for the above were between 26k and 22k.

Schools averaging more than 20k were La. Tech (2), Marshall (3), N. Texas (3), ODU (1), Rice (2), So. Miss (3), UTSA (2, missed #3 by less than 100).

WKU was 10th, 11th, and 11th.

Until your school manages to at least get into the top half of the conference in attendance, would you kindly stop talking attendance smack? It's annoying as hell to the schools that average 8 to 10k more, and you simply don't have the standing to be calling anyone else out.

When are you going to get with the program that's BOX SCORE listed attendance. I've proved that over and over and over...

some schools (not many) use actually attendance. The rest pull a number out of the air . Western is one of those few schools that list actually attendance...ASSES IN SEATS .

UAB is not one of those schools and the below facts proves it , unless UAB is selling 10,000 tickets for a dollar each

2019 UAB reported :

UAB reported 24,726 average or 148, 356 total fans. For the year of 2019 UAB reported (to government ) they had a total of $1,592,015 in tickets sold. That includes BASKETBALL and all other tickets sold.

In that same year S. Miss sold $137,269 for Men basketball and another $39,000 for the ladies program. I'm going to assume that a basketball school will average at least 3 times what S. Miss will in basketball tickets sold. UAB was still winning 20 games a season for 2018 and 2019.

So we have a total tickets sold of $1,592,015 and 3x what S. Miss sold in basketball is $528,807 and that leaves $1,063,208 for UAB in tickets sold to cover football and all other sports.

Lets just give the total to football and that comes out to a average of $7 a ticket sold. Lets move to another step and if UAB is averaging 24k in attendance you have to assume they are at least middle of the pack in season tickets sold.

Lets put that number at 5,000 (probably about middle of CUSA 9Western 7,500, Marshall 8,500). Season tickets are not discounted and at a low average of $25 (Western's cheapest is $20, mine is $35 and a lot way higher)

Well those 5, 000 season tickets are coming in at $750,000 and that leaves a total of $331,208 for a total of 118,356 of "attendance"

Lets assume another 5,000 a game in students show up (30,000 total over 6 home games) and now that leaves $313,208 to cover 88,356 in "attendance"

A average of .28 cents a ticket, Dollar night at the UAB stadium became 3/4 off dollar night.


But you go ahead and keep believe the box score "attendance" those are not the same numbers UAB or anyone else reports to the NCAA on official Docs

A lot of assumptions to justify your attendance numbers. We get it.

You are making assumption, I'm posting FACTS with the total based off averages.

The dollar amounts I posted are FACTS that UAB turned into the government and NCAA. A reasonable person could have listed UAB's season ticket at more than 5,000 based on the 24k box score attendance they listed.

Surely if Western is 11th in CUSA IN ATTendance and average 7500 in season tickets sold. A school with 24k in attendance would average just as many or maybe more.

7,000 season tickets based on a average cost of $25 is $1,050,000...they gave away the other 88k in tickets

you keep dealing in make believe and I will the facts with my assumptions based off those facts.

(10-11-2021 12:26 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Hey, his assumptions are right, and everybody else’s are wrong. There are so many missing pieces I could fill in for him, but it’s just not worth it.

When people say that....

they dont have anything else. The easiest way to shut someone down when they are saying...I HAVE THE FACTS.

Prove them wrong.

That's what I'm doing with those of you that are basing every thing they say off of "I BELIEVE IT", so, it must be true. Honestly, if you had anything that made sense...you would post it.

You know it, I know it, everyone else, knows, you are flapping the gums

You don’t have facts because you are going off of assumptions. I do math for a living, and while your math is all correct, the data being used is based off your assumptions. For somebody paying so much attention to UAB attendance, you should know Bartow didn’t have more than 500 people in it at the end of Ehsans tenure. That includes the band, mascots, players, coaches, medical staff, and people’s family. The city of Birmingham has also bought tickets for as long as I can remember at a discounted rate, but one that is also traceable. You do you man, I’m sorry your life is so pathetic that you have nothing else to do but worry about how many people actually show up at a football game of a school you don’t even root for.

(10-11-2021 09:50 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 08:40 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Everyone reports tickets sold. Not sure why some get so upset about this. Let it go.

Wrong, again...

S. Miss is not selling 26,000 tickets and Marshall is not selling 25,000 tickets and UAB is not selling 25,000 tickets. Your AD is making up numbers for the box scores.

Unless no students are showing up and for S. Miss and UAB 60% of those who bought a ticket are not showing up. Which seems very unlikely since Marshall most likely has the highest amount for season tickets sold .

The highest I found for that was around 10k and the Marshall average was around 8500. With a new coach I would guess that number might have went up. But going by post on THIS board...Marshall pissed off a bunch of season ticket holders by charging more for their same seat location.



Western's average is 7500 on season tickets with a high of 8500 and this years total was running slightly ahead of the average.

If S. Miss averages 8,000 in season tickets sold and they sold 26,000 tickets for this game. Thousands of people who bought walk up/on line tickets did not show up for the game.

UAB reported 24,726 average for 2019 and they sold a total of $1,592,015 in tickets sold and that includes UAB basketball (S. Miss sold $137,269 for Men basketball so you can assume UAB tripled that) and all other tickets sold....

7000 in season tickets at $25 (on average) a game is $1,050,000

Marshall might come the closes to reporting tickets sold but not everyone list their box score attendance numbers as "tickets sold"

Case in point as I posted the copy of the actually doc's UTSA sent to the NCAA . Not the exact numbers because its been a couple years...

UTSA reported attendance around 22k and turned in doc's to the NCAA of actually tickets sold around 13k

Obviously I don't have total number of tickets sold to this (or any) Southern Miss games. I do know about 8 of those tickets sold though. I by 4 season tickets for my parents and my wife and I. We make one home game a year (distance an my wife hates it). I also paid for 4 military/emergency worker season tickets when I bought my season tickets. Those are only $10 each and are a way USM gives back to the emergency workers and those military members stationed nearby (Camp Shelby in particular). Next week will be the one game we DO go to. We bought an extra 4 tickets to that one for my brothers family. He will still be at a training camp (fulltime National Guard) getting ready for a 6 month deployment, so we are just taking his two kids so his wife can have a break. I know the give away tickets are a popular thing among season ticket holders at USM. They don't count them as "Season Tickets Sold" but do count them as tickets sold for each game. Again, no raw ticket numbers here, just where 8 (and 12 for next week's game) are accounted for.

(10-11-2021 12:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  When are you going to get with the program that's BOX SCORE listed attendance. I've proved that over and over and over...

some schools (not many) use actually attendance. The rest pull a number out of the air . Western is one of those few schools that list actually attendance...ASSES IN SEATS .

UAB is not one of those schools and the below facts proves it , unless UAB is selling 88,356 tickets for a .28 cents each

2019 UAB reported :

UAB reported 24,726 average or 148, 356 total fans. For the year of 2019 UAB reported (to government ) they had a total of $1,592,015 in tickets sold. That includes BASKETBALL and all other tickets sold.

In that same year S. Miss sold $137,269 for Men basketball and another $39,000 for the ladies program. I'm going to assume that a basketball school will average at least 3 times what S. Miss will in basketball tickets sold. UAB was still winning 20 games a season for 2018 and 2019.

So we have a total tickets sold of $1,592,015 and 3x what S. Miss sold in basketball is $528,807 and that leaves $1,063,208 for UAB in tickets sold to cover football and all other sports.

Lets just give the total to football and that comes out to a average of $7 a ticket sold. Lets move to another step and if UAB is averaging 24k in attendance you have to assume they are at least middle of the pack in season tickets sold.

Lets put that number at 5,000 (probably about middle of CUSA, Western 7,500, Marshall 8,500). Season tickets are not discounted and at a low average of $25 (Western's cheapest is $20, mine is $35 and a lot way higher)

Well those 5, 000 season tickets (30k over 6 games) are coming in at $750,000 and that leaves a total of $331,208 for 118,356 of "attendance"

Lets assume another 5,000 a game in students show up (30,000 total over 6 home games) and now that leaves $313,208 to cover 88,356 in "attendance"

A average of .28 cents a ticket, Dollar night at the UAB stadium became 3/4 off dollar night.


But you go ahead and keep believe the box score "attendance" those are not the same numbers UAB or anyone else reports to the NCAA on official Docs

You know, if I just used "Let's say that..." as the basis of my arguments, I could make a case for any sort of nonsense too.

UAB has historically sold very few season tickets because we played in 70,000 seat Legion Field. You could pay for a cheap GA ticket and sit damn near anywhere you wanted to. That is no longer true at Protective. You can't just wander in and plop down between the 40's somewhere. Season ticket sales were more than double our previous high before this season ever started. Ticket prices are also between 30% and 50% more expensive now in the desirable sections. They get as cheap as $15 up in the corners.

There was a post a few days ago where you were talking about how UAB gives away thousands of tickets. That's nonsense. The City of Birmingham buys tickets to UAB games. Back in the day they bought several thousand, which the City Council spread around to whoever for whatever political goodwill they were worth. They currently buys 1,000, and yes, those are still given away by the city- after they were paid for by the city. There are also some tickets that are given away by local companies that bought blocks of tickets to support the program. Some of those are given to employees or customers - just like boosters do at every other school. I would add that some of those ticket simply don't get used, because they were not Bama or Auburn tickets. Same thing goes for businesses owned by WKU boosters as well, I figure they buy seasons that no one sits in as well.

You were the one who was saying that you wanted to talk about the real numbers, the ones that go to the NCAA. I brought them to you, and you're still spinning your BS.

You're probably right though, WKU probably does not really have 15k going through the turnstiles. Let's say it's more like 8k, that stadium sure looks empty to me.

(10-11-2021 02:05 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  You don’t have facts because you are going off of assumptions. I do math for a living, and while your math is all correct, the data being used is based off your assumptions. For somebody paying so much attention to UAB attendance, you should know Bartow didn’t have more than 500 people in it at the end of Ehsans tenure. That includes the band, mascots, players, coaches, medical staff, and people’s family. The city of Birmingham has also bought tickets for as long as I can remember at a discounted rate, but one that is also traceable. You do you man, I’m sorry your life is so pathetic that you have nothing else to do but worry about how many people actually show up at a football game of a school you don’t even root for.

You are the one going 100% off assumption. While basketball attendance might be down. Season ticket holders are not as quick to give up their seats they had for 10+ years. Or are you trying to make everyone believe S. Miss with their 137k in basketball tickets sold is not 3x under UAB/ Hell at double its only a saving of 137k. S. Miss won 9 basketball games that season

The figure used are 2019 but the data they come from is the previous school year. That's how budget reports work (how they are reported). So while I would have to revise the UAB football attendance to 2018 it still doesnt show a huge walk up sell on tickets.

How do I know that, well because UAB actually sold 10, 000 season tickets but at a cheap price. Some as cheap as $75 others, $125 and I'm not even going to go to the higher levels. I'm going to say half are at $75

That's 5k at $75 is $375,000

Half at the next cheapest price of $125

That 5k at $125 is $625,000 for a combined total of $1,000,000 and since you make your living with numbers. You and I both know that is most likely undervalued by at least $250,000

Any way you look at it UAB's numbers on tickets sold do not jive with 148k (145,747 2018) in total attendance. Not even close.

The only assumptions made in this post is to use the lowest dollar value for half of UAB's season tickets sold. Then the next lowest level for the other half. Doing that my other post will all the details is still relevant.

Now I have a question. Did UAB sell football season tickets for the year they had no football? I thought they did because I thought the 2 season tickets I bought for UAB football was one year without it and their first year back. If not then it was the first 2 year back.

As I said in another post once someone has to attack personally....you lose and have nothing else to add. If you cant deal with facts maybe you shouldnt respond to the post

(10-11-2021 02:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 02:05 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  You don’t have facts because you are going off of assumptions. I do math for a living, and while your math is all correct, the data being used is based off your assumptions. For somebody paying so much attention to UAB attendance, you should know Bartow didn’t have more than 500 people in it at the end of Ehsans tenure. That includes the band, mascots, players, coaches, medical staff, and people’s family. The city of Birmingham has also bought tickets for as long as I can remember at a discounted rate, but one that is also traceable. You do you man, I’m sorry your life is so pathetic that you have nothing else to do but worry about how many people actually show up at a football game of a school you don’t even root for.

You are the one going 100% off assumption. While basketball attendance might be down. Season ticket holders are not as quick to give up their seats they had for 10+ years. Or are you trying to make everyone believe S. Miss with their 137k in basketball tickets sold is not 3x under UAB/ Hell at double its only a saving of 137k. S. Miss won 9 basketball games that season

The figure used are 2019 but the data they come from is the previous school year. That's how budget reports work (how they are reported). So while I would have to revise the UAB football attendance to 2018 it still doesnt show a huge walk up sell on tickets.

How do I know that, well because UAB actually sold 10, 000 season tickets but at a cheap price. Some as cheap as $75 others, $125 and I'm not even going to go to the higher levels. I'm going to say half are at $75

That's 5k at $75 is $375,000

Half at the next cheapest price of $125

That 5k at $125 is $625,000 for a combined total of $1,000,000 and since you make your living with numbers. You and I both know that is most likely undervalued by at least $250,000

Any way you look at it UAB's numbers on tickets sold do not jive with 148k in total attendance. Not even close.

The only assumptions made in this post is to use the lowest dollar value for half of UAB's season tickets sold. Then the next lowest level for the other half. Doing that my other post will all the details is still relevant.

Now I have a question. Did UAB sell football season tickets for the year they had no football? I thought they did because I thought the 2 season tickets I bought for UAB football was one year without it and their first year back. If not then it was the first 2 year back.

Ok what tha **** is Western Kentucky doing???? Well let me guess you don't know cause you too busy worrying/wondering/wanting to know about UAB, USM, and others.

(10-11-2021 02:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  How do I know that, well because UAB actually sold 10, 000 season tickets but at a cheap price. Some as cheap as $75 others, $125 and I'm not even going to go to the higher levels. I'm going to say half are at $75

That's 5k at $75 is $375,000

Half at the next cheapest price of $125

I need a solid source on this. Provide a link to reliable figures or admit you are just making numbers up out of thin air and "Let's just say that...". I would be utterly amazed if there were ever more than 5k seasons sold at Legion Field at any point in UAB's football history.

I was at the UAB game. I think we all can agree that the reported attendance for any venue will be rounded up.

(10-11-2021 02:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Now I have a question. Did UAB sell football season tickets for the year they had no football? I thought they did because I thought the 2 season tickets I bought for UAB football was one year without it and their first year back. If not then it was the first 2 year back.

Wut?

No, we didn't sell season tickets for years where we were not playing games.

(10-11-2021 02:43 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  I was at the UAB game. I think we all can agree that the reported attendance for any venue will be rounded up.

I would not be surprised if that attendance number was the tickets sold.

I find it amazing that people who have never set foot in that stadium think they can judge how many people are there based on the TV. Protective was designed to be hospitable to people who wanted to get up and move around. I mean, I've been to two games there now and *I* don't feel confident at guessing the crowd size by what I see yet. People who have never seen the place and are going by camera views are utterly confident in their estimations, though.

(10-11-2021 02:31 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 12:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  When are you going to get with the program that's BOX SCORE listed attendance. I've proved that over and over and over...

some schools (not many) use actually attendance. The rest pull a number out of the air . Western is one of those few schools that list actually attendance...ASSES IN SEATS .

UAB is not one of those schools and the below facts proves it , unless UAB is selling 88,356 tickets for a .28 cents each

2019 UAB reported :

UAB reported 24,726 average or 148, 356 total fans. For the year of 2019 UAB reported (to government ) they had a total of $1,592,015 in tickets sold. That includes BASKETBALL and all other tickets sold.

In that same year S. Miss sold $137,269 for Men basketball and another $39,000 for the ladies program. I'm going to assume that a basketball school will average at least 3 times what S. Miss will in basketball tickets sold. UAB was still winning 20 games a season for 2018 and 2019.

So we have a total tickets sold of $1,592,015 and 3x what S. Miss sold in basketball is $528,807 and that leaves $1,063,208 for UAB in tickets sold to cover football and all other sports.

Lets just give the total to football and that comes out to a average of $7 a ticket sold. Lets move to another step and if UAB is averaging 24k in attendance you have to assume they are at least middle of the pack in season tickets sold.

Lets put that number at 5,000 (probably about middle of CUSA, Western 7,500, Marshall 8,500). Season tickets are not discounted and at a low average of $25 (Western's cheapest is $20, mine is $35 and a lot way higher)

Well those 5, 000 season tickets (30k over 6 games) are coming in at $750,000 and that leaves a total of $331,208 for 118,356 of "attendance"

Lets assume another 5,000 a game in students show up (30,000 total over 6 home games) and now that leaves $313,208 to cover 88,356 in "attendance"

A average of .28 cents a ticket, Dollar night at the UAB stadium became 3/4 off dollar night.


But you go ahead and keep believe the box score "attendance" those are not the same numbers UAB or anyone else reports to the NCAA on official Docs

You know, if I just used "Let's say that..." as the basis of my arguments, I could make a case for any sort of nonsense too.

UAB has historically sold very few season tickets because we played in 70,000 seat Legion Field. You could pay for a cheap GA ticket and sit damn near anywhere you wanted to. That is no longer true at Protective. You can't just wander in and plop down between the 40's somewhere. Season ticket sales were more than double our previous high before this season ever started. Ticket prices are also between 30% and 50% more expensive now in the desirable sections. They get as cheap as $15 up in the corners.

There was a post a few days ago where you were talking about how UAB gives away thousands of tickets. That's nonsense. The City of Birmingham buys tickets to UAB games. Back in the day they bought several thousand, which the City Council spread around to whoever for whatever political goodwill they were worth. They currently buys 1,000, and yes, those are still given away by the city- after they were paid for by the city. There are also some tickets that are given away by local companies that bought blocks of tickets to support the program. Some of those are given to employees or customers - just like boosters do at every other school. I would add that some of those ticket simply don't get used, because they were not Bama or Auburn tickets. Same thing goes for businesses owned by WKU boosters as well, I figure they buy seasons that no one sits in as well.

You were the one who was saying that you wanted to talk about the real numbers, the ones that go to the NCAA. I brought them to you, and you're still spinning your BS.

You're probably right though, WKU probably does not really have 15k going through the turnstiles. Let's say it's more like 8k, that stadium sure looks empty to me.

You are suppose to be a dad to a band member and dont even know anything about UAB. I know your schools football program better than you do.

2017 AND 2018 UAB sold 10k or over in season tickets and that topped the conference. So what you are trying to say is UAB sold 20k in season tickets (double 2018) with a 30 to 40% increase. Is that really what you wanted to say?

The 2018 season is what makes up the 2019 reported tickets sold amount. These reports are based off the previous year and yes I know that for a 100% fact. Nothing you said can change the fact of what UAB reported in tickets sold in that 2019 report.

I back up what I say so yes I can PROVE the 2019 report covers the 2018 football season.

(10-11-2021 02:43 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 02:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  How do I know that, well because UAB actually sold 10, 000 season tickets but at a cheap price. Some as cheap as $75 others, $125 and I'm not even going to go to the higher levels. I'm going to say half are at $75

That's 5k at $75 is $375,000

Half at the next cheapest price of $125

I need a solid source on this. Provide a link to reliable figures or admit you are just making numbers up out of thin air and "Let's just say that...". I would be utterly amazed if there were ever more than 5k seasons sold at Legion Field at any point in UAB's football history.

A picture might be EASIER for you to understand



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