(07-27-2023 10:59 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I'm not saying aliens aren't out there or that they aren't already here, but a whistleblower claiming that these UFOs are 'far superior' to US tech may simply not be familiar with all US tech. The F35 first flew 23 years ago. The first F22 flew 26 years ago. The first F117 flew 40 years ago. To someone who doesn't know better, all of those flights would have appeared "far superior" to US tech of the time.

None of those fighters can hold a candle to or even come close to keeping up with what has been sighted by military pilots. That, in my opinion, means that those UFOs or UAPs are "far superior" to our technology.

Does the military have advanced tech we don't know about? Without a doubt and I would have said that before we realized that virtually everything the government tells us is a lie. However, I don't think that we have anything even close in capability to what is being seen. We have no aircraft capable of hovering in place, then shooting straight up thousands of feet in a second or less. All with no visible means of propulsion.

(07-27-2023 11:10 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 10:59 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I'm not saying aliens aren't out there or that they aren't already here, but a whistleblower claiming that these UFOs are 'far superior' to US tech may simply not be familiar with all US tech. The F35 first flew 23 years ago. The first F22 flew 26 years ago. The first F117 flew 40 years ago. To someone who doesn't know better, all of those flights would have appeared "far superior" to US tech of the time.

None of those fighters can hold a candle to or even come close to keeping up with what has been sighted by military pilots. That, in my opinion, means that those UFOs or UAPs are "far superior" to our technology.

Does the military have advanced tech we don't know about? Without a doubt and I would have said that before we realized that virtually everything the government tells us is a lie. However, I don't think that we have anything even close in capability to what is being seen. We have no aircraft capable of hovering in place, then shooting straight up thousands of feet in a second or less. All with no visible means of propulsion.

I saw my first SR71 in a hangar at Eglin AFB in late 1968. Nobody would know it existed for almost another decade. The Nazis were working on anti-gravity propulsion at the end of WWII mostly in theory but with some evidence of trials. The so-called tic-tac's could easily be an AI piloted, or a remote-controlled, working model of anti-gravity propulsion. The G forces would preclude a human pilot. That they would scramble Navy jets to intercept them would be logical. Let's take some of our sophisticated state of the art aircraft and see if they can even intercept one. They could not. Therefore, if we have developed that technology, it would be in keeping with our long-established practice of not introducing an innovative aircraft until we have the next generation already in hand. That was instituted to stay ahead of adversaries if they captured or reconstructed whatever was our most current operational craft.

That a nefarious element within our government would use such to convince the people of an alien presence in order to "herd" them as one of the posts above suggests is unfortunately not out of the realm of possibility for the S.O.B.s answering to corporate agendas today. They are all being handsomely paid in one way or another for their services.

(07-27-2023 11:22 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 11:10 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 10:59 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I'm not saying aliens aren't out there or that they aren't already here, but a whistleblower claiming that these UFOs are 'far superior' to US tech may simply not be familiar with all US tech. The F35 first flew 23 years ago. The first F22 flew 26 years ago. The first F117 flew 40 years ago. To someone who doesn't know better, all of those flights would have appeared "far superior" to US tech of the time.

None of those fighters can hold a candle to or even come close to keeping up with what has been sighted by military pilots. That, in my opinion, means that those UFOs or UAPs are "far superior" to our technology.

Does the military have advanced tech we don't know about? Without a doubt and I would have said that before we realized that virtually everything the government tells us is a lie. However, I don't think that we have anything even close in capability to what is being seen. We have no aircraft capable of hovering in place, then shooting straight up thousands of feet in a second or less. All with no visible means of propulsion.

I saw my first SR71 in a hangar at Eglin AFB in late 1968. Nobody would know it existed for almost another decade. The Nazis were working on anti-gravity propulsion at the end of WWII mostly in theory but with some evidence of trials. The so-called tic-tac's could easily be an AI piloted, or a remote-controlled, working model of anti-gravity propulsion. The G forces would preclude a human pilot. That they would scramble Navy jets to intercept them would be logical. Let's take some of our sophisticated state of the art aircraft and see if they can even intercept one. They could not. Therefore, if we have developed that technology, it would be in keeping with our long-established practice of not introducing an innovative aircraft until we have the next generation already in hand. That was instituted to stay ahead of adversaries if they captured or reconstructed whatever was our most current operational craft.

That a nefarious element within our government would use such to convince the people of an alien presence in order to "herd" them as one of the posts above suggests is unfortunately not out of the realm of possibility for the S.O.B.s answering to corporate agendas today. They are all being handsomely paid in one way or another for their services.

I had a youngun axe me what i thought would be the next big tech leap like flyinh or atomic energy or computers.

My response was the things i still find astonishing like the cooled super conductors that float, maybe something with magnets or gravity.

Its not my thing but i think those are the next big riddles.

I also remember the guberment pushing the ufo stuff to cover up the experiment aircraft.

Aliens.... Nah.

(07-27-2023 11:10 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 10:59 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I'm not saying aliens aren't out there or that they aren't already here, but a whistleblower claiming that these UFOs are 'far superior' to US tech may simply not be familiar with all US tech. The F35 first flew 23 years ago. The first F22 flew 26 years ago. The first F117 flew 40 years ago. To someone who doesn't know better, all of those flights would have appeared "far superior" to US tech of the time.

None of those fighters can hold a candle to or even come close to keeping up with what has been sighted by military pilots. That, in my opinion, means that those UFOs or UAPs are "far superior" to our technology.

Does the military have advanced tech we don't know about? Without a doubt and I would have said that before we realized that virtually everything the government tells us is a lie. However, I don't think that we have anything even close in capability to what is being seen. We have no aircraft capable of hovering in place, then shooting straight up thousands of feet in a second or less. All with no visible means of propulsion.

Think about what an off the shelf drone sold as a toy can do today. Highly maneuverable, near instantaneous direction change, lightening fast, can 'hover' in place, etc. Now add in a nearly unlimited budget and decades of R&D that the general public would consider futuristic by todays standards and it's not beyond imagination to reason that what these pilots have seen (most likely deliberately allowed to have seen for testing) is simply the next generation of military tech.

(07-26-2023 12:25 PM)b2b Wrote:  This wreaks of bull in my personal opinion. I think people are seeing things. I also think that the gov't is going to use this as a means of controlling and fooling the population.

Except the government has been trying to hide it from the people—-including our own elected representatives. At this point—there are not many explanations that explain the evidence we have seen. It’s either from another nation or another planet. If it was from another nation the US would have already been usurped as the world’s primary superpower. So—such tech must be from beyond our planet (it’s not ours because we would have cooler drones that could not be picked on by fighter jets if it was actually US tech).

(07-29-2023 12:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 12:25 PM)b2b Wrote:  This wreaks of bull in my personal opinion. I think people are seeing things. I also think that the gov't is going to use this as a means of controlling and fooling the population.

Except the government has been trying to hide it from the people—-including our own elected representatives. At this point—there are not many explanations that explain the evidence we have seen. It’s either from another nation or another planet. If it was from another nation the US would have already been usurped as the world’s primary superpower. So—such tech must be from beyond our planet (it’s not ours because we would have cooler drones that could not be picked on by fighter jets if it was actually US tech).

The government is only hiding it because Oswald was a patsy and aliens infiltrated Dealy Plaza in November of 1963. And they are only leaking them now because Biden as a senile President of the most powerful nation on Earth is somehow now more unbelievable than E.T.

(07-29-2023 02:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

... that gave me a g-rated chuckle ...

(07-27-2023 11:22 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 11:10 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 10:59 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I'm not saying aliens aren't out there or that they aren't already here, but a whistleblower claiming that these UFOs are 'far superior' to US tech may simply not be familiar with all US tech. The F35 first flew 23 years ago. The first F22 flew 26 years ago. The first F117 flew 40 years ago. To someone who doesn't know better, all of those flights would have appeared "far superior" to US tech of the time.

None of those fighters can hold a candle to or even come close to keeping up with what has been sighted by military pilots. That, in my opinion, means that those UFOs or UAPs are "far superior" to our technology.

Does the military have advanced tech we don't know about? Without a doubt and I would have said that before we realized that virtually everything the government tells us is a lie. However, I don't think that we have anything even close in capability to what is being seen. We have no aircraft capable of hovering in place, then shooting straight up thousands of feet in a second or less. All with no visible means of propulsion.

I saw my first SR71 in a hangar at Eglin AFB in late 1968. Nobody would know it existed for almost another decade. The Nazis were working on anti-gravity propulsion at the end of WWII mostly in theory but with some evidence of trials. The so-called tic-tac's could easily be an AI piloted, or a remote-controlled, working model of anti-gravity propulsion. The G forces would preclude a human pilot. That they would scramble Navy jets to intercept them would be logical. Let's take some of our sophisticated state of the art aircraft and see if they can even intercept one. They could not. Therefore, if we have developed that technology, it would be in keeping with our long-established practice of not introducing an innovative aircraft until we have the next generation already in hand. That was instituted to stay ahead of adversaries if they captured or reconstructed whatever was our most current operational craft.

That a nefarious element within our government would use such to convince the people of an alien presence in order to "herd" them as one of the posts above suggests is unfortunately not out of the realm of possibility for the S.O.B.s answering to corporate agendas today. They are all being handsomely paid in one way or another for their services.

But we already know what the next gen jet (6th gen) will be able to do—-just as we knew roughly what a stealth jet could do in 1980’s when they were already showing up in novels like Red Storm Rising. The next gen of air drone aircraft like the loyal wingman aren’t even operational yet and we know much of what they can do. Just from a logistical standpoint—-the fast and maneuverable tech described would be fantastic as a strike missile or an interceptor missile. Such weapons could take out any strategic target and could neutralize any existing incoming missile. Sure—-it’s possible they are ours—-but such an incredible leap of technology is like going from jet engines to warp drive. Such a massive leap forward seems fairly unlikely considering our great concern over hypersonic weapons and the limited success in developing hypersonics of our own. If we could put this kind of propulsion into the small packages being reported—-hypersonics would not be particularly scary.

Trying not to pile on with bad news, but for those of you genuinely interested in this subject, please read this.

I'm no expert in this field, and no, you can't trust the government, but a lot of this apparently went on without even government officials knowing it. If you are to believe the men testifying, there are records of these encounters going back at least to the 1930s. And not just in the US. Russia apparently has documented UFO encounters going back almost 100 years, whose records were secretly copied and taken out of the country not too long ago.

Call me naive, but I don't believe these whistle blowers are setups for some government conspiracy. I just think the military held these secrets so as not to panic the public, b/c they knew we can do nothing about it, and so far, nothing seems like an immediate threat.

I'm not going to cut and paste the article or do excerpts, but it's a free article on Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/russian-ufo-e...al-hearing

While I believe EVERYTHING is a government conspiracy.

(07-26-2023 01:36 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 01:12 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

Carbon based?

^^THAT is an excellent question. Because that is what I was hoping would be asked. Our "scientists" always assume that other life is carbon based as well. Maybe this can help answer the physics questions...

FFS






How much is it going to cost?

(07-30-2023 08:52 AM)shere khan Wrote:  FFS






How much is it going to cost?

I'm not with you on this one. You can fake a Big Foot. You can't fake a vehicle clocked at 3700 mph, not making a sonic boom, turning at 90 degrees.

And if the military asks for more money, who gives a crap? We flush trillions down the toilet already. Funding Ukraine more than our own border, for example. They don't need another excuse to spend more money. No accountability already.

I now know 6 people who saw them with their own eyes, most during the day, clear enough to see exactly what it was. Almost all with other people present who saw the same thing.

Most of them actually didn't believe it themselves, or realize what it was, until much later.

Honestly, anyone who doesn't think there are life forms elsewhere in the universe are the tail chasers, IMO. Now we're just debating if they could get here, or not.

The vehicles certainly appear to have capabilities we could not have dreamed up.

Frankly, I don't think it matters. If true, this has been going on for a long time. I am much more concerned about the global reset. That seems to be a much more imminent danger.

(07-30-2023 02:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 08:52 AM)shere khan Wrote:  FFS






How much is it going to cost?

I'm not with you on this one. You can fake a Big Foot. You can't fake a vehicle clocked at 3700 mph, not making a sonic boom, turning at 90 degrees.

I now know 6 people who saw them with their own eyes, most during the day, clear enough to see exactly what it was. Almost all with other people present who saw the same thing.

Most of them actually didn't believe it themselves, or realize what it was, until much later.

Honestly, anyone who doesn't think there are life forms elsewhere in the universe are the tail chasers, IMO. Now we're just debating if they could get here, or not.

The vehicles certainly appear to have capabilities we could not have dreamed up.

Frankly, I don't think it matters. If true, this has been going on for a long time. I am much more concerned about the global reset. That seems to be a much more imminent danger.

And if the military asks for more money, who gives a crap? We flush trillions down the toilet already. Funding Ukraine more than our own border, for example. They don't need another excuse to spend more money. No accountability already.

read that over and over and over ... welcome to tactical diversion via militarized 'secretion' ...

the "global reset" is the end game ... 'they' don't care how they do it ... and 'time' is on their side...

(07-29-2023 12:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 12:25 PM)b2b Wrote:  This wreaks of bull in my personal opinion. I think people are seeing things. I also think that the gov't is going to use this as a means of controlling and fooling the population.

Except the government has been trying to hide it from the people—-including our own elected representatives. At this point—there are not many explanations that explain the evidence we have seen. It’s either from another nation or another planet. If it was from another nation the US would have already been usurped as the world’s primary superpower. So—such tech must be from beyond our planet (it’s not ours because we would have cooler drones that could not be picked on by fighter jets if it was actually US tech).

Trying to hide it until COVID, until a stolen election, until AI, until deepfakes, until getting involved in another conflict we have no business in... The world has changed.

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(07-30-2023 02:49 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 02:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 08:52 AM)shere khan Wrote:  FFS






How much is it going to cost?

I'm not with you on this one. You can fake a Big Foot. You can't fake a vehicle clocked at 3700 mph, not making a sonic boom, turning at 90 degrees.

I now know 6 people who saw them with their own eyes, most during the day, clear enough to see exactly what it was. Almost all with other people present who saw the same thing.

Most of them actually didn't believe it themselves, or realize what it was, until much later.

Honestly, anyone who doesn't think there are life forms elsewhere in the universe are the tail chasers, IMO. Now we're just debating if they could get here, or not.

The vehicles certainly appear to have capabilities we could not have dreamed up.

Frankly, I don't think it matters. If true, this has been going on for a long time. I am much more concerned about the global reset. That seems to be a much more imminent danger.

And if the military asks for more money, who gives a crap? We flush trillions down the toilet already. Funding Ukraine more than our own border, for example. They don't need another excuse to spend more money. No accountability already.

read that over and over and over ... welcome to tactical diversion via militarized 'secretion' ...

the "global reset" is the end game ... 'they' don't care how they do it ... and 'time' is on their side...

The possible diversion tactic could be a real possibility. I'm not concerned about that. Hell, that's a common tactic in politics these days.

What I was focusing on was whether this was true, or just sci-fi BS.

Nope. Not BS.

(07-30-2023 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Trying not to pile on with bad news, but for those of you genuinely interested in this subject, please read this.

I'm no expert in this field, and no, you can't trust the government, but a lot of this apparently went on without even government officials knowing it. If you are to believe the men testifying, there are records of these encounters going back at least to the 1930s. And not just in the US. Russia apparently has documented UFO encounters going back almost 100 years, whose records were secretly copied and taken out of the country not too long ago.

Call me naive, but I don't believe these whistle blowers are setups for some government conspiracy. I just think the military held these secrets so as not to panic the public, b/c they knew we can do nothing about it, and so far, nothing seems like an immediate threat.

I'm not going to cut and paste the article or do excerpts, but it's a free article on Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/russian-ufo-e...al-hearing

so now Russia is trustworthy. I want to know Ukraine's opinion. Perhaps we can send another couple billion for them to study alien encounters.

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(07-30-2023 03:02 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Trying not to pile on with bad news, but for those of you genuinely interested in this subject, please read this.

I'm no expert in this field, and no, you can't trust the government, but a lot of this apparently went on without even government officials knowing it. If you are to believe the men testifying, there are records of these encounters going back at least to the 1930s. And not just in the US. Russia apparently has documented UFO encounters going back almost 100 years, whose records were secretly copied and taken out of the country not too long ago.

Call me naive, but I don't believe these whistle blowers are setups for some government conspiracy. I just think the military held these secrets so as not to panic the public, b/c they knew we can do nothing about it, and so far, nothing seems like an immediate threat.

I'm not going to cut and paste the article or do excerpts, but it's a free article on Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/russian-ufo-e...al-hearing

so now Russia is trustworthy. I want to know Ukraine's opinion. Perhaps we can send another couple billion for them to study alien encounters.

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Did you read the details in the article? Russia didn't reveal this. An American sneaked proof out of the country at risk to himself.

That's what "secretly copied and taken out of the country" means.