RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-03-2021 12:34 AM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:
(10-02-2021 09:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:
(10-02-2021 08:38 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:
(10-02-2021 07:14 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:
(10-02-2021 12:52 PM)Claw Wrote: Defense is on the field too much. They get tired.
Not running the ball more is part of that problem. We have the horses. Let them run.
Defense being on the field isn’t on the offense. I don’t get why people think that.
T.O.P in games
Memphis 31:15 Nicholls 28:45
Memphis 24:04 Arkansas State 35:56
Memphis 19:27 Mississippi State 40:33
Memphis 24:18 Texas-San Antonio 35:42
Memphis 24:33 Temple 35:27
Call it whatever you want, but it's not a winning formula.
When you play a soft zone and force 5 yard easy passes all day you will lose the number of plays battle. TOP means much less than number of plays...Wouldn't you rather have your defense play against 60 in 30 minutes opposed to 75 plays in 25 minutes.
3 and outs using 40 seconds of the clock or 20 seconds of the clock is a 1 minute difference...Not much in the grand scheme of things.
It's not just that, it's the game within the game that the offense struggles. When we played Mississippi State, our defense was on the field for about 3-4 minutes of game time when Sanchez Blake scored the touchdown off the fumble. After that, our defense was on the field for another 6-7 minutes of game time due to MS State's second drive. Despite scoring the touchdown, we can agreed on that our defense was on the field for roughly 13 minutes of game time before the offense takes a snap. When the offense got the ball, it was a 3 and out, and our defense (Which is already gassed) is back on the field.
What kills our defense is that our offense plays too fast for them to recover in certain situations. A 6-7 minute drive on offense is not in Memphis' DNA. What adds salt into the wound is when there are no points or a 3 and out that takes a minute off the clock. I don't have a problem with our offense playing fast, but a 6-7 minute drive is a win for our defense, even if our offense doesn't come up with points.
YEAH---we would never want to score on the first play of every possession -----I heard the coach demanded our players to never score quickly ---in our break away runs we are instructed to down the ball on the 10 yard line and then on 3rd down fumble---whatever you do don't score quickly-------we DO NOT WANT TO SCORE ON THE FIRST PLAY EVERY POSSESSION--that would be horrible
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-02-2021 10:32 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: THE REASON THE D IS ON THE FIELD SO LONG IS WE CANT STOP ANYBODY
OK how bout we score on the first play of every possession ---and when the defense gets on the field they force a 3 and out or even a punt after 1 FD
BETTER YET RUIN SILVERFIELD instruct his players whatever you do don't score quickly --we want to drive the ball down the field and FUMBLE or maybe take a knee at the 10 so we don't score quickly
Or the fix would be to mix it up and take more time between running some of the plays.
(10-02-2021 10:40 PM)McNavia93 Wrote: It’s the old school ‘bend, but don’t break’ philosophy. Run a base defense and keep everything in front of you. We don’t have the level of talent needed to run that in today’s game. In my opinion, a high risk, high reward philosophy(ala Joe Lee Dunn) would suit the Tigers better. Exchange a few big plays for opportunities for sacks, TFLs, and turnovers. I’ll take a few big play TDs over a few 12+ play TDs all day long. The long drives sap your energy.
On offense, I wonder if the 1st 15-20 plays are scripted(usually involves input from the entire Offensive staff)and that’s why they start out gang busters. However, when Coach John’s is left to his own devices, things slow down and stagnate.
I can agree about the "bend, but don't break" thinking going on. We seem to have looked our best with more pressure. Looking back at the ASU game it looks like we had the high risk without the high reward, then we adjusted and ended up with what we have now. But something needs to be done because we are giving up a lot of yards.
With a potential script if that is the case it still to me has looked like it's been more about the other team being better at making adjustments. Things definitely slow down and stagnate though. I don't buy into the cause being conservative. Here's a look at the 1st half of the UTSA game ignoring the plays listed as a run for Seth and penalties. Leading up to scoring 21 we ran seven run plays and five pass plays. After scoring 21 we ran seven run plays and seven pass plays. With Temple I haven't looked at it in a similar way, but considering our first possession was 17 plays it's likely going to be lopsided. But maybe my definition of conservative is different than others.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
Back in the day… I think our average starting field position in the SMU game was midfield. Silverfield would haven taken it back 25 yards, and lost that game. No nads.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-03-2021 12:34 AM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:
(10-02-2021 09:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:
(10-02-2021 08:38 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:
(10-02-2021 07:14 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:
(10-02-2021 12:52 PM)Claw Wrote: Defense is on the field too much. They get tired.
Not running the ball more is part of that problem. We have the horses. Let them run.
Defense being on the field isn’t on the offense. I don’t get why people think that.
T.O.P in games
Memphis 31:15 Nicholls 28:45
Memphis 24:04 Arkansas State 35:56
Memphis 19:27 Mississippi State 40:33
Memphis 24:18 Texas-San Antonio 35:42
Memphis 24:33 Temple 35:27
Call it whatever you want, but it's not a winning formula.
When you play a soft zone and force 5 yard easy passes all day you will lose the number of plays battle. TOP means much less than number of plays...Wouldn't you rather have your defense play against 60 in 30 minutes opposed to 75 plays in 25 minutes.
3 and outs using 40 seconds of the clock or 20 seconds of the clock is a 1 minute difference...Not much in the grand scheme of things.
It's not just that, it's the game within the game that the offense struggles. When we played Mississippi State, our defense was on the field for about 3-4 minutes of game time when Sanchez Blake scored the touchdown off the fumble. After that, our defense was on the field for another 6-7 minutes of game time due to MS State's second drive. Despite scoring the touchdown, we can agreed on that our defense was on the field for roughly 13 minutes of game time before the offense takes a snap. When the offense got the ball, it was a 3 and out, and our defense (Which is already gassed) is back on the field.
What kills our defense is that our offense plays too fast for them to recover in certain situations. A 6-7 minute drive on offense is not in Memphis' DNA. What adds salt into the wound is when there are no points or a 3 and out that takes a minute off the clock. I don't have a problem with our offense playing fast, but a 6-7 minute drive is a win for our defense, even if our offense doesn't come up with points.
As I said previously...We snap the ball with 25ish seconds on the play clock playing fast...Other teams snap the ball with 10ish seconds on the play clock playing slow.
The reason for the 3 and out is not the pace of the offense. The reason for the 3 and out is not executing. Difference between us playing fast and playing slow on a 3 and out is 30 seconds (Because we don't play fast on 4th down punting)...You get more than twice that for a commercial break.
(This post was last modified: 10-03-2021 12:06 PM by macgar32.)
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
My biggest issue with CRS is that Memphis has never turned the program over to a new coach in such great shape. He took over one of the most explosive offenses in all of college football that was predicated off certain principles such as getting the ball to your playmakers in space and using the pass to set up the run. He even held the playbook in his hand and rather than continuing with the winning formula, he decided to try to change our offense into a heavy run first between the tackles "bully" type of team schematically. The problem with that is outside of the Big10 and some SEC teams most teams don't have the personal to successfully run that and be highly competitive. Our current players and recruits chose Memphis because our style of play matched their skill set. What CRS is trying to do is about as stupid as a basketball coach taking over a sweet sixteen type of team full of quick 6'5' guards and wings that can get to the basket and shoot 48% from three and run the floor into a Big10 type of slowdown Big man oriented offense that runs a lot of half court set plays.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
I ask this because I do not know… but Mike Norvell was adamant on wanting to play fast and wanting to get in as many plays in as possible. I think we averaged at least 38 points per game every season he was here.
Silverfield’s offense seems far more deliberate, but it just may be we need to be slower because we are playing a freshman QB.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-03-2021 07:28 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: I ask this because I do not know… but Mike Norvell was adamant on wanting to play fast and wanting to get in as many plays in as possible. I think we averaged at least 38 points per game every season he was here.
Silverfield’s offense seems far more deliberate, but it just may be we need to be slower because we are playing a freshman QB.
I think we need to be selective. If the defense spends 7 minutes on the field, then dont run the hurry-up for a few plays. If you get a first down then go into hurry up. Just give the defense a few minutes to get their legs back under them.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-03-2021 03:49 AM)Alanda Wrote:
(10-02-2021 10:32 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: THE REASON THE D IS ON THE FIELD SO LONG IS WE CANT STOP ANYBODY
OK how bout we score on the first play of every possession ---and when the defense gets on the field they force a 3 and out or even a punt after 1 FD
BETTER YET RUIN SILVERFIELD instruct his players whatever you do don't score quickly --we want to drive the ball down the field and FUMBLE or maybe take a knee at the 10 so we don't score quickly
Or the fix would be to mix it up and take more time between running some of the plays.
(10-02-2021 10:40 PM)McNavia93 Wrote: It’s the old school ‘bend, but don’t break’ philosophy. Run a base defense and keep everything in front of you. We don’t have the level of talent needed to run that in today’s game. In my opinion, a high risk, high reward philosophy(ala Joe Lee Dunn) would suit the Tigers better. Exchange a few big plays for opportunities for sacks, TFLs, and turnovers. I’ll take a few big play TDs over a few 12+ play TDs all day long. The long drives sap your energy.
On offense, I wonder if the 1st 15-20 plays are scripted(usually involves input from the entire Offensive staff)and that’s why they start out gang busters. However, when Coach John’s is left to his own devices, things slow down and stagnate.
I can agree about the "bend, but don't break" thinking going on. We seem to have looked our best with more pressure. Looking back at the ASU game it looks like we had the high risk without the high reward, then we adjusted and ended up with what we have now. But something needs to be done because we are giving up a lot of yards.
With a potential script if that is the case it still to me has looked like it's been more about the other team being better at making adjustments. Things definitely slow down and stagnate though. I don't buy into the cause being conservative. Here's a look at the 1st half of the UTSA game ignoring the plays listed as a run for Seth and penalties. Leading up to scoring 21 we ran seven run plays and five pass plays. After scoring 21 we ran seven run plays and seven pass plays. With Temple I haven't looked at it in a similar way, but considering our first possession was 17 plays it's likely going to be lopsided. But maybe my definition of conservative is different than others.
Good points. I hear you on the adjustments. I was going off of memory and emotion more so then breaking down the tape of game.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-02-2021 02:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:
(10-02-2021 02:50 PM)Alanda Wrote:
(10-02-2021 12:37 PM)RCM1029 Wrote: Last week up 21-0 and got conservative.
Today up 17-0 and got conservative.
Is our coach too soft?
We aren't conservative. We run the same offense that gets the lead and that gets us slowed/shut down. The past few games the other teams adjusted when we didn't and we couldn't do anything. This game we score three straight drives then have a fumble and a drive that starts with 1st and 2nd down runs and three incomplete passes in a row. Then add in the fact the uptempo when we aren't scoring is keeping the defense on the field longer has become another problem.
Defense staying on the field because they we giving up easy underneath passes all day.
Always allowing the offense to say in manageable situations...
2nd and Medium
3rd and Short
When your defense allows 17 play drives that is on them
This guy gets it.
Furthermore.
Yeah, we fumbled on the goal line. So what. They STILL had to drive the entire length of the field to turn that mistake into points. Our defense SUCKS. They hit HARD. They tackle fairly well. But their scheme and technique SUCKS.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-03-2021 01:19 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: My biggest issue with CRS is that Memphis has never turned the program over to a new coach in such great shape. He took over one of the most explosive offenses in all of college football that was predicated off certain principles such as getting the ball to your playmakers in space and using the pass to set up the run. He even held the playbook in his hand and rather than continuing with the winning formula, he decided to try to change our offense into a heavy run first between the tackles "bully" type of team schematically. The problem with that is outside of the Big10 and some SEC teams most teams don't have the personal to successfully run that and be highly competitive. Our current players and recruits chose Memphis because our style of play matched their skill set. What CRS is trying to do is about as stupid as a basketball coach taking over a sweet sixteen type of team full of quick 6'5' guards and wings that can get to the basket and shoot 48% from three and run the floor into a Big10 type of slowdown Big man oriented offense that runs a lot of half court set plays.
Quote:He took over one of the most explosive offenses in all of college football that was predicated off certain principles such as getting the ball to your playmakers in space and using the pass to set up the run.
Gainwell
Coxie
Magnifico
Gibson
Austin III
Magnifico
Taylor
Pollard
You can easily make the argument that Kedarian Jones had more talent than all of our receivers besides Austin. You can easily make the argument that Patrick Taylor was much better than any of our current running backs. Antonio Gibson couldn't get on the field as a junior. You can easily argue that if Pollard doesn't surprisingly declare for the draft, Gibson probably doesn't see much of the field as a senior.
2017
Ferguson
Miller
Henderson
Pollard
Coxie
Dykes
2018
White
Henderson
Coxie
Pollard
Gainwell
Magnifico
Gibson
Austin III
2019
Gainwell
Coxie
Gibson
Jones
Magnifico
Austin III
2020
White
Austin III
Washington
Dykes
2021
Henigan
Thomas
Austin III
Ivory
Who are the playmakers right now? None of the running backs, AND they all fumble; and only Austin and Dykes on offense. Do we have anyone on the roster that will do nothing one year, and explode the next season like Gainwell, Gibson, Coxie, Miller, or Dykes? IDK, but probably not. If we had pure freshman Gainwell, Juco junior Gibson, or freshman Coxie on our current roster, they would ALL be on the field. Certainly not making 6 catches for 100 yards like Gibson did his first season.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-03-2021 08:00 PM)memtigbb Wrote:
(10-03-2021 07:28 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: I ask this because I do not know… but Mike Norvell was adamant on wanting to play fast and wanting to get in as many plays in as possible. I think we averaged at least 38 points per game every season he was here.
Silverfield’s offense seems far more deliberate, but it just may be we need to be slower because we are playing a freshman QB.
I think we need to be selective. If the defense spends 7 minutes on the field, then dont run the hurry-up for a few plays. If you get a first down then go into hurry up. Just give the defense a few minutes to get their legs back under them.
In a perfect world, you don't let your defense dictate what your offense does. They are separate entities and you run each the best way to maximize their production. If anything, we should be changing the way we play defense.
Instead of allowing an easy 4-8 yards on every play unless our opponent screws up, we should be making them work for those yards at the expense of giving up the occasional big play. We should be playing "hurry up" on defense. The defense should be designed to get off of the field in 10 plays or less; be it by stopping our opponent or giving up a big play and that's the end of it.
We are struggling on both ends of the field. We are better off playing to our strength on offense and letting the defense deal with their problems, than not playing our game on offense and having it struggle.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-04-2021 01:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:
(10-03-2021 01:19 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: My biggest issue with CRS is that Memphis has never turned the program over to a new coach in such great shape. He took over one of the most explosive offenses in all of college football that was predicated off certain principles such as getting the ball to your playmakers in space and using the pass to set up the run. He even held the playbook in his hand and rather than continuing with the winning formula, he decided to try to change our offense into a heavy run first between the tackles "bully" type of team schematically. The problem with that is outside of the Big10 and some SEC teams most teams don't have the personal to successfully run that and be highly competitive. Our current players and recruits chose Memphis because our style of play matched their skill set. What CRS is trying to do is about as stupid as a basketball coach taking over a sweet sixteen type of team full of quick 6'5' guards and wings that can get to the basket and shoot 48% from three and run the floor into a Big10 type of slowdown Big man oriented offense that runs a lot of half court set plays.
Quote:He took over one of the most explosive offenses in all of college football that was predicated off certain principles such as getting the ball to your playmakers in space and using the pass to set up the run.
Gainwell
Coxie
Magnifico
Gibson
Austin III
Magnifico
Taylor
Pollard
You can easily make the argument that Kedarian Jones had more talent than all of our receivers besides Austin. You can easily make the argument that Patrick Taylor was much better than any of our current running backs. Antonio Gibson couldn't get on the field as a junior. You can easily argue that if Pollard doesn't surprisingly declare for the draft, Gibson probably doesn't see much of the field as a senior.
2017
Ferguson
Miller
Henderson
Pollard
Coxie
Dykes
2018
White
Henderson
Coxie
Pollard
Gainwell
Magnifico
Gibson
Austin III
2019
Gainwell
Coxie
Gibson
Jones
Magnifico
Austin III
2020
White
Austin III
Washington
Dykes
2021
Henigan
Thomas
Austin III
Ivory
Who are the playmakers right now? None of the running backs, AND they all fumble; and only Austin and Dykes on offense. Do we have anyone on the roster that will do nothing one year, and explode the next season like Gainwell, Gibson, Coxie, Miller, or Dykes? IDK, but probably not. If we had pure freshman Gainwell, Juco junior Gibson, or freshman Coxie on our current roster, they would ALL be on the field. Certainly not making 6 catches for 100 yards like Gibson did his first season.
The problem is that we don't know how good our new backs can truly be. If we had three Patrick Traylors or run game could be humming along, instead CRS has taken our backs whom talents are more suited to be in an offense that is geared towards their abilities of quickness speed and finesse(which happens to be in most of the original playbook that CRS threw away) and decided that he is going to wear them out running between the tackles until they are worn out and then blaming them for making a mistake. This team has been winning in spite of the coaching and not because of it.
(This post was last modified: 10-05-2021 12:52 AM by Tigersmoke4.)
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-03-2021 07:28 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: I ask this because I do not know… but Mike Norvell was adamant on wanting to play fast and wanting to get in as many plays in as possible. I think we averaged at least 38 points per game every season he was here.
Silverfield’s offense seems far more deliberate, but it just may be we need to be slower because we are playing a freshman QB.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-04-2021 01:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:
(10-03-2021 01:19 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: My biggest issue with CRS is that Memphis has never turned the program over to a new coach in such great shape. He took over one of the most explosive offenses in all of college football that was predicated off certain principles such as getting the ball to your playmakers in space and using the pass to set up the run. He even held the playbook in his hand and rather than continuing with the winning formula, he decided to try to change our offense into a heavy run first between the tackles "bully" type of team schematically. The problem with that is outside of the Big10 and some SEC teams most teams don't have the personal to successfully run that and be highly competitive. Our current players and recruits chose Memphis because our style of play matched their skill set. What CRS is trying to do is about as stupid as a basketball coach taking over a sweet sixteen type of team full of quick 6'5' guards and wings that can get to the basket and shoot 48% from three and run the floor into a Big10 type of slowdown Big man oriented offense that runs a lot of half court set plays.
Quote:He took over one of the most explosive offenses in all of college football that was predicated off certain principles such as getting the ball to your playmakers in space and using the pass to set up the run.
Gainwell
Coxie
Magnifico
Gibson
Austin III
Magnifico
Taylor
Pollard
You can easily make the argument that Kedarian Jones had more talent than all of our receivers besides Austin. You can easily make the argument that Patrick Taylor was much better than any of our current running backs. Antonio Gibson couldn't get on the field as a junior. You can easily argue that if Pollard doesn't surprisingly declare for the draft, Gibson probably doesn't see much of the field as a senior.
2017
Ferguson
Miller
Henderson
Pollard
Coxie
Dykes
2018
White
Henderson
Coxie
Pollard
Gainwell
Magnifico
Gibson
Austin III
2019
Gainwell
Coxie
Gibson
Jones
Magnifico
Austin III
2020
White
Austin III
Washington
Dykes
2021
Henigan
Thomas
Austin III
Ivory
Who are the playmakers right now? None of the running backs, AND they all fumble; and only Austin and Dykes on offense. Do we have anyone on the roster that will do nothing one year, and explode the next season like Gainwell, Gibson, Coxie, Miller, or Dykes? IDK, but probably not. If we had pure freshman Gainwell, Juco junior Gibson, or freshman Coxie on our current roster, they would ALL be on the field. Certainly not making 6 catches for 100 yards like Gibson did his first season.
I believe Thomas has REAL potential. The fumble last week was a tough one - hope he is back to starting this week.
RE: Is Silverfield afraid to hurt the opponents’ feelings?
(10-03-2021 08:54 PM)McNavia93 Wrote:
(10-03-2021 03:49 AM)Alanda Wrote:
(10-02-2021 10:32 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: THE REASON THE D IS ON THE FIELD SO LONG IS WE CANT STOP ANYBODY
OK how bout we score on the first play of every possession ---and when the defense gets on the field they force a 3 and out or even a punt after 1 FD
BETTER YET RUIN SILVERFIELD instruct his players whatever you do don't score quickly --we want to drive the ball down the field and FUMBLE or maybe take a knee at the 10 so we don't score quickly
Or the fix would be to mix it up and take more time between running some of the plays.
(10-02-2021 10:40 PM)McNavia93 Wrote: It’s the old school ‘bend, but don’t break’ philosophy. Run a base defense and keep everything in front of you. We don’t have the level of talent needed to run that in today’s game. In my opinion, a high risk, high reward philosophy(ala Joe Lee Dunn) would suit the Tigers better. Exchange a few big plays for opportunities for sacks, TFLs, and turnovers. I’ll take a few big play TDs over a few 12+ play TDs all day long. The long drives sap your energy.
On offense, I wonder if the 1st 15-20 plays are scripted(usually involves input from the entire Offensive staff)and that’s why they start out gang busters. However, when Coach John’s is left to his own devices, things slow down and stagnate.
I can agree about the "bend, but don't break" thinking going on. We seem to have looked our best with more pressure. Looking back at the ASU game it looks like we had the high risk without the high reward, then we adjusted and ended up with what we have now. But something needs to be done because we are giving up a lot of yards.
With a potential script if that is the case it still to me has looked like it's been more about the other team being better at making adjustments. Things definitely slow down and stagnate though. I don't buy into the cause being conservative. Here's a look at the 1st half of the UTSA game ignoring the plays listed as a run for Seth and penalties. Leading up to scoring 21 we ran seven run plays and five pass plays. After scoring 21 we ran seven run plays and seven pass plays. With Temple I haven't looked at it in a similar way, but considering our first possession was 17 plays it's likely going to be lopsided. But maybe my definition of conservative is different than others.
Good points. I hear you on the adjustments. I was going off of memory and emotion more so then breaking down the tape of game.
The announcers said they were told we script 20 plays. So now we have an official number.