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RE: Did EMU MBB have an intra-squad scrimmage today?
(10-18-2021 03:19 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
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(10-18-2021 05:23 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 09:13 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Yeesh, why is everyone so touchy about a little optimism. Sam pointed out that Murphy’s success came quick (first year was his third best) despite low expectations. I was further pointing out that on paper Heath has a better first year roster (mainly due to players he and staff brought in). So you never know…

That optimism borders on obsession Ramy given the number of posts in another thread and without much basis in fact. Hey I hope we do well but I believe the rebuilding will take another two years. Heath has added some pieces next year and IF he can recruit some more pieces in 2022 and 2023 we should see progress in his third and fourth years. Having six frosh on your roster is not a the quick reload option. See CMU if you want an example of quick reload. I've explained why Murphy was successful in his first year despite inheriting Ramsey's lesser talent based solely on the 2-3 zone. Honestly Murphy inherited a better roster than Heath did. One of the key differences was that Murphy inherited an experienced and decent point guard. Heath doesn't have anyone on this roster near Lampley's ability. Murphy's first year "recruiting" included a number of talented transfers who sat out and moved the team forward rather quickly. Heath has some talented transfers with immediate ability that has come in but so has EVERY other team in the MAC. I hope we are "pleasantly surprised". Honestly I just see what to this team jell and improve throughout the season.

“Borders on Obsession” is somewhat subjective. People have different interests and hobbies. Over-evaluating EMU basketball prospects in the off-season is one of mine.

Luka S., Spottsville, and McBride will not be EMU’s PGs.

6’2” Farrakhan will likely start at PG for EMU, and 6’5” M.Scott (played PG last season at Portland State) will back-him up when not playing SG. Both are far better PGs than Lampley was.

Hard to understand anyone impressed by Lampley, as he shot a woeful 35 percent on two’s, and only 29 percent on three’s in conference play.

Njie is likely to be EMU’s one true freshman who starts or in the rotation. EMU will put on the court experienced players.

Hey Miggy,

I owe you the scrimmage post that I’ve promised but not delivered due to my schedule.

However, let me say this: Noah Farakahn (sp?) matched up against Spottsville in the scrimmage. I respect Spotts’ overall game because he’s a big-strong, quick, athletic guard who plays tough! Spotts Achilles heel right now is his outside shooting but he goes to the rack pretty well and plays tough defense. Noah got the best of Spotts! Noah is I believe 6-1 or 6-2 ?? He got into the lane anytime, Anytime he wanted to and could finish pretty well. His handles are very good and his quickness is very good. The one facet of his game I was impressed with the most was his ability to shoot overtop of Spotts off the dribble. Noah made a deep 3 by taking a jumper off the dribble over Spots when the shot clock ran down. I’m not making any predictions off one scrimmage but it appears Noah will be the most talented PG since Boykins (Better than Jackson and Lampley) at EMU if he can duplicate this performance. I don’t remember him turning the ball over or taking bad shots. Free throws looked good too. Spottsville played very hard during the scrimmage and did a lot of things well but the MVP of scrimmage 1 is Noah! Noah still needs to improve strength and consistency but may earn a spot on the all MAC freshman team.

I was impressed that the whole team played hard!

Njie also looked good in the post …. I would say his footwork is better than James T4, but not as quick, nasty or aggressive as JT4. I was also impressed with 6-10 Randle…..he’s skinny but very athletic - made a 3 pointer, put back dunk, etc works hard in the paint. Will be a big factor in the MAC if he puts on 35-40 LBs. Back to Njie, he controlled the defensive boards very well. He could also be an all-freshman MAC candidate.

Miggy, I owe you more details in a succinct overall analysis. I have not forgotten you :-) Keep your posts coming!

Also, Sam is very well versed in basketball so you could take a lot of what he says as pretty accurate information even though he and I will both agree to disagree sometimes. Sam makes very valid points about not comparing current players stats from Murphy’s system. For example, Lampley was a decent player but had no chance to showcase his talent playing street ball on offense. I believe Noah is better than Lampley even as a freshman.

Monty must have been feeling ill and I will leave it at that.

Okongo, Binelli, Luka and I believe Golson didn’t play in the scrimmage.

More to come and Miggy I love that you’re obsessed with EMU basketball!

Fishing for those positive ratings again?
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RE: Did EMU MBB have an intra-squad scrimmage today?
(10-18-2021 03:19 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 01:05 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 12:51 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 05:23 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 09:13 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Yeesh, why is everyone so touchy about a little optimism. Sam pointed out that Murphy’s success came quick (first year was his third best) despite low expectations. I was further pointing out that on paper Heath has a better first year roster (mainly due to players he and staff brought in). So you never know…

That optimism borders on obsession Ramy given the number of posts in another thread and without much basis in fact. Hey I hope we do well but I believe the rebuilding will take another two years. Heath has added some pieces next year and IF he can recruit some more pieces in 2022 and 2023 we should see progress in his third and fourth years. Having six frosh on your roster is not a the quick reload option. See CMU if you want an example of quick reload. I've explained why Murphy was successful in his first year despite inheriting Ramsey's lesser talent based solely on the 2-3 zone. Honestly Murphy inherited a better roster than Heath did. One of the key differences was that Murphy inherited an experienced and decent point guard. Heath doesn't have anyone on this roster near Lampley's ability. Murphy's first year "recruiting" included a number of talented transfers who sat out and moved the team forward rather quickly. Heath has some talented transfers with immediate ability that has come in but so has EVERY other team in the MAC. I hope we are "pleasantly surprised". Honestly I just see what to this team jell and improve throughout the season.

“Borders on Obsession” is somewhat subjective. People have different interests and hobbies. Over-evaluating EMU basketball prospects in the off-season is one of mine.

Luka S., Spottsville, and McBride will not be EMU’s PGs.

6’2” Farrakhan will likely start at PG for EMU, and 6’5” M.Scott (played PG last season at Portland State) will back-him up when not playing SG. Both are far better PGs than Lampley was.

Hard to understand anyone impressed by Lampley, as he shot a woeful 35 percent on two’s, and only 29 percent on three’s in conference play.

Njie is likely to be EMU’s one true freshman who starts or in the rotation. EMU will put on the court experienced players.

Hey Miggy,

I owe you the scrimmage post that I’ve promised but not delivered due to my schedule.

However, let me say this: Noah Farakahn (sp?) matched up against Spottsville in the scrimmage. I respect Spotts’ overall game because he’s a big-strong, quick, athletic guard who plays tough! Spotts Achilles heel right now is his outside shooting but he goes to the rack pretty well and plays tough defense. Noah got the best of Spotts! Noah is I believe 6-1 or 6-2 ?? He got into the lane anytime, Anytime he wanted to and could finish pretty well. His handles are very good and his quickness is very good. The one facet of his game I was impressed with the most was his ability to shoot overtop of Spotts off the dribble. Noah made a deep 3 by taking a jumper off the dribble over Spots when the shot clock ran down. I’m not making any predictions off one scrimmage but it appears Noah will be the most talented PG since Boykins (Better than Jackson and Lampley) at EMU if he can duplicate this performance. I don’t remember him turning the ball over or taking bad shots. Free throws looked good too. Spottsville played very hard during the scrimmage and did a lot of things well but the MVP of scrimmage 1 is Noah! Noah still needs to improve strength and consistency but may earn a spot on the all MAC freshman team.

I was impressed that the whole team played hard!

Njie also looked good in the post …. I would say his footwork is better than James T4, but not as quick, nasty or aggressive as JT4. I was also impressed with 6-10 Randle…..he’s skinny but very athletic - made a 3 pointer, put back dunk, etc works hard in the paint. Will be a big factor in the MAC if he puts on 35-40 LBs. Back to Njie, he controlled the defensive boards very well. He could also be an all-freshman MAC candidate.

Miggy, I owe you more details in a succinct overall analysis. I have not forgotten you :-) Keep your posts coming!

Also, Sam is very well versed in basketball so you could take a lot of what he says as pretty accurate information even though he and I will both agree to disagree sometimes. Sam makes very valid points about not comparing current players stats from Murphy’s system. For example, Lampley was a decent player but had no chance to showcase his talent playing street ball on offense. I believe Noah is better than Lampley even as a freshman.

Monty must have been feeling ill and I will leave it at that.

Okongo, Binelli, Luka and I believe Golson didn’t play in the scrimmage.

More to come and Miggy I love that you’re obsessed with EMU basketball!

Have great respect for Ramy’s and Sam’s opinions.

Great post on all the things that Noah Farrakhan brings to the table. Have worked with him to correct his jump shot. I want to see him excel on defense by stealing the ball. Did that in HS.

Glad you confirmed what everyone said about Njie. He’ll be more than solid for EMU. Good-shot-blocker.

Agree that Randle has a high upside. Just hope he’s not red-shirted. Although very skinny and raw, if he plays this season, he should be able to block shots at the rim. Shot blockers worth their weight in gold. So hard to find.

Hear great things about Golson as well.

Any opinion on Rice. Here’ when he’s on, he’s on.

Hear new plays being out in each day.

I post here a lot because I’m recovering from surgery and trying to keep busy. Plus, like you, I love bb.
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No problem guys, so since Heath had more talent than Murphy had his first year according to some experts here EMU is going to win over 14 games overall and have over 9 conference wins? Right?
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Luckey, that was a monster post on the scrimmage! Thank you!!

Couple follow up questions for you if you got the time:
1) where did N Scott play: small forward or power forward?
2) where did Ballard play: power forward or center?
3) how did Rice play? Just a shooter? Or can he drive too? Also was he in at small forward or shooting guard?
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(10-18-2021 03:19 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 01:05 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 12:51 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 05:23 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 09:13 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Yeesh, why is everyone so touchy about a little optimism. Sam pointed out that Murphy’s success came quick (first year was his third best) despite low expectations. I was further pointing out that on paper Heath has a better first year roster (mainly due to players he and staff brought in). So you never know…

That optimism borders on obsession Ramy given the number of posts in another thread and without much basis in fact. Hey I hope we do well but I believe the rebuilding will take another two years. Heath has added some pieces next year and IF he can recruit some more pieces in 2022 and 2023 we should see progress in his third and fourth years. Having six frosh on your roster is not a the quick reload option. See CMU if you want an example of quick reload. I've explained why Murphy was successful in his first year despite inheriting Ramsey's lesser talent based solely on the 2-3 zone. Honestly Murphy inherited a better roster than Heath did. One of the key differences was that Murphy inherited an experienced and decent point guard. Heath doesn't have anyone on this roster near Lampley's ability. Murphy's first year "recruiting" included a number of talented transfers who sat out and moved the team forward rather quickly. Heath has some talented transfers with immediate ability that has come in but so has EVERY other team in the MAC. I hope we are "pleasantly surprised". Honestly I just see what to this team jell and improve throughout the season.

“Borders on Obsession” is somewhat subjective. People have different interests and hobbies. Over-evaluating EMU basketball prospects in the off-season is one of mine.

Luka S., Spottsville, and McBride will not be EMU’s PGs.

6’2” Farrakhan will likely start at PG for EMU, and 6’5” M.Scott (played PG last season at Portland State) will back-him up when not playing SG. Both are far better PGs than Lampley was.

Hard to understand anyone impressed by Lampley, as he shot a woeful 35 percent on two’s, and only 29 percent on three’s in conference play.

Njie is likely to be EMU’s one true freshman who starts or in the rotation. EMU will put on the court experienced players.

Hey Miggy,

I owe you the scrimmage post that I’ve promised but not delivered due to my schedule.

However, let me say this: Noah Farakahn (sp?) matched up against Spottsville in the scrimmage. I respect Spotts’ overall game because he’s a big-strong, quick, athletic guard who plays tough! Spotts Achilles heel right now is his outside shooting but he goes to the rack pretty well and plays tough defense. Noah got the best of Spotts! Noah is I believe 6-1 or 6-2 ?? He got into the lane anytime, Anytime he wanted to and could finish pretty well. His handles are very good and his quickness is very good. The one facet of his game I was impressed with the most was his ability to shoot overtop of Spotts off the dribble. Noah made a deep 3 by taking a jumper off the dribble over Spots when the shot clock ran down. I’m not making any predictions off one scrimmage but it appears Noah will be the most talented PG since Boykins (Better than Jackson and Lampley) at EMU if he can duplicate this performance. I don’t remember him turning the ball over or taking bad shots. Free throws looked good too. Spottsville played very hard during the scrimmage and did a lot of things well but the MVP of scrimmage 1 is Noah! Noah still needs to improve strength and consistency but may earn a spot on the all MAC freshman team.

I was impressed that the whole team played hard!

Njie also looked good in the post …. I would say his footwork is better than James T4, but not as quick, nasty or aggressive as JT4. I was also impressed with 6-10 Randle…..he’s skinny but very athletic - made a 3 pointer, put back dunk, etc works hard in the paint. Will be a big factor in the MAC if he puts on 35-40 LBs. Back to Njie, he controlled the defensive boards very well. He could also be an all-freshman MAC candidate.

Miggy, I owe you more details in a succinct overall analysis. I have not forgotten you :-) Keep your posts coming!

Also, Sam is very well versed in basketball so you could take a lot of what he says as pretty accurate information even though he and I will both agree to disagree sometimes. Sam makes very valid points about not comparing current players stats from Murphy’s system. For example, Lampley was a decent player but had no chance to showcase his talent playing street ball on offense. I believe Noah is better than Lampley even as a freshman.

Monty must have been feeling ill and I will leave it at that.

Okongo, Binelli, Luka and I believe Golson didn’t play in the scrimmage.

More to come and Miggy I love that you’re obsessed with EMU basketball!

Thanks for the info Luckey! Excited to see Noah and the rest of the team in action.
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(10-18-2021 04:56 PM)emu79 Wrote:  No problem guys, so since Heath had more talent than Murphy had his first year according to some experts here EMU is going to win over 14 games overall and have over 9 conference wins? Right?

Literally no one said that. All that’s being suggested is that you just never know, especially with a brand new team. It shouldn’t be too difficult to rebuild on the fly in this age of college basketball if you have a quality coach.
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Gee I like to know what qualifies someone as an EMU basketball expert on this board. Guys who haven't watch these guys scrimmage? Made up projections and pie in the sky predictions? You tell me what I want to hear so you are an expert. The fact is no one is an expert when it comes to this year's team. Too many unknowns that none of us can predict. Some of you predict instant success like like it was oatmeal.
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(10-18-2021 05:21 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 04:56 PM)emu79 Wrote:  No problem guys, so since Heath had more talent than Murphy had his first year according to some experts here EMU is going to win over 14 games overall and have over 9 conference wins? Right?

Literally no one said that. All that’s being suggested is that you just never know, especially with a brand new team. It shouldn’t be too difficult to rebuild on the fly in this age of college basketball if you have a quality coach.

EMU79s You’re comparing apples and oranges.

In Murphy’s first season as HC, EMU averaged 56 ppg and gave up 55 ppg in conference play. EMU had a helluva defensive Center. EMU will average far more points per conference game.

Are they going to hold conference opponents to 55 ppg? Doubtful.
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(10-18-2021 06:01 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Gee I like to know what qualifies someone as an EMU basketball expert on this board. Guys who haven't watch these guys scrimmage? Made up projections and pie in the sky predictions? You tell me what I want to hear so you are an expert. The fact is no one is an expert when it comes to this year's team. Too many unknowns that none of us can predict. Some of you predict instant success like like it was oatmeal.

EMU79, I am a basketball expert! After watching the scrimmage, I’m predicting a national championship :-)
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(10-18-2021 05:07 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Luckey, that was a monster post on the scrimmage! Thank you!!

Couple follow up questions for you if you got the time:
1) where did N Scott play: small forward or power forward?
2) where did Ballard play: power forward or center?
3) how did Rice play? Just a shooter? Or can he drive too? Also was he in at small forward or shooting guard?

Hello Ramy,

Let me share my perspective:

1) Nate played mostly PF but quite honestly with the motion offense, all of the players are rotating to the 5 spots on the floor except in the post. Nate hit a 3 ball from the wing in the corner.

2) Ballard I believe matched up against Nate and played PF. I believe Goldon did not play because I didn’t see any players that would match his stature. Ballard actually hit back to back 3s…..yep I would not believe it if I didn’t see it with my own eyes. As always Ballard played all out was vocal and seemed to be having fun. Looks like Ballard hit the weight room too because there was some muscle on his 6-8 frame. I believe Ballard will be in the rotation as a role player - he just plays so hard and it’s infectious!

3) Rice played ok but seemed tentative. He made 1 or 2 outside shots.

So we can’t take too much away from the scrimmage because players were confused on offense sometimes on where to be on the floor if the play went into the 3rd loop/option or if improvisation was underway.

Let me also add that Spottsville was the most positive vocal player on the floor. Telling his teammates where they needed to be and answering their questions during timeouts etc. I’m sure he will be in the rotation based on his leadership and toughness!

Again Noah Farrakhan was the MVP of scrimmage 1. Let’s look at scrimmage 2 & 3 for more evaluation and projection.

Finally I was impressed that a couple hundred fans showed up for the scrimmage. I even got my picture taken with George Iceman Gervin who Coach Heath recognized after the scrimmage. Also impressed that coach Heath walked around the lower bowl thanking fans for coming out. I mean he walked around the lower bowl shaking hands. This reminded me of Braun. One game during the Dial - Tolbert - Boykins era, Braun engaged me in a conversation as I was walking up the stairs at Bowen leading from the ground level to the ticket office level. This is something I never saw Murphy do during a scrimmage or a game. Very nice touch Coach Heath!
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Wow, excellent info yet again, Luckey! Thanks!! BTW, Ballard hit a couple 3s in a game a couple years back- but the whole bench erupted in cheers both times so I assumed they were surprised he made them. Looks like he actually has range.
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(10-18-2021 01:05 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 12:51 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(10-18-2021 05:23 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 09:13 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Yeesh, why is everyone so touchy about a little optimism. Sam pointed out that Murphy’s success came quick (first year was his third best) despite low expectations. I was further pointing out that on paper Heath has a better first year roster (mainly due to players he and staff brought in). So you never know…

That optimism borders on obsession Ramy given the number of posts in another thread and without much basis in fact. Hey I hope we do well but I believe the rebuilding will take another two years. Heath has added some pieces next year and IF he can recruit some more pieces in 2022 and 2023 we should see progress in his third and fourth years. Having six frosh on your roster is not a the quick reload option. See CMU if you want an example of quick reload. I've explained why Murphy was successful in his first year despite inheriting Ramsey's lesser talent based solely on the 2-3 zone. Honestly Murphy inherited a better roster than Heath did. One of the key differences was that Murphy inherited an experienced and decent point guard. Heath doesn't have anyone on this roster near Lampley's ability. Murphy's first year "recruiting" included a number of talented transfers who sat out and moved the team forward rather quickly. Heath has some talented transfers with immediate ability that has come in but so has EVERY other team in the MAC. I hope we are "pleasantly surprised". Honestly I just see what to this team jell and improve throughout the season.

“Borders on Obsession” is somewhat subjective. People have different interests and hobbies. Over-evaluating EMU basketball prospects in the off-season is one of mine.

Luka S., Spottsville, and McBride will not be EMU’s PGs.

6’2” Farrakhan will likely start at PG for EMU, and 6’5” M.Scott (played PG last season at Portland State) may back-him up when not playing SG. Both are far better PGs than Lampley was.

Hard to understand why anyone impressed by Lampley, as he shot a woeful 35 percent on two’s, and only 29 percent on three’s in conference play.

Njie is likely to be EMU’s one true freshman who starts or in the rotation. EMU will put on the court experienced players.
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I am going to contradict Miggy here…

No way is Monty Scott going to spell anyone as point guard. He averaged more turnovers than assists in each of his collegiate seasons (based on that stat, Lampley is the better point guard). With EMU returning Spottsville and adding Farrakhan as well as Luka, I can’t see a need for Monty to ever play the point.

Further, I also can’t see Monty starting over McBride whose offensive stats for last year are better across the board. Plus, Heath had to put effort to pulling McBride back from the transfer portal. Instead, I would assume Monty is the most likely candidate to start at SF, especially at 6-5. If not, I imagine he will back up McBride, say if Nate Scott or Golson play more as SF.
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I tend to agree about McBride, Ramy. Gotta think he starts at one of the guard spots, unless someone has inside info that I just don’t know about. McBride had his bad moments, but he largely made the most out of a bad situation last season. I was thrilled when he came back, because I’d love to see him with some structure. He’s a crafty scorer with a great first step, and that’s something I want in the lineup.
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Howard having their Bison Madness. Not like an EMU scrimmage.

They packed their Bowen-like gym.

https://twitter.com/HowardU/status/14506...09477?s=20
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Watching this "Madness" scrimmage I really appreciate how much EMU misses an on campus arena.

https://twitter.com/HowardU/status/14506...64/video/1

Okay to have a FB stadium off main campus because it is 5 or 6 times a year + there is tailgating, etc.

But for basketball best to have a small, modern (which Howard's Burr is NOT, though) arena in the middle of campus where students WALK to the game, many within 5 minutes.

And the big differences between Howard and EMU:

1). EMU has a significant number of commuter students.

2). EMU has a significant number of students who live off campus. In the case of Howard, few students can afford to live off campus (say 2K/month for a one bedroom apartment) so they stay in university housing. Howard has two dorms literally equivalent to Brown Munson which borders Bowen. At Howard those students can walk out of their building and be at either the FB stadium or basketball arena.

3). And D.C. weather is much milder than S.E. MI. 02-13-banana No below zero wind chills.
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(10-20-2021 08:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Watching this "Madness" scrimmage I really appreciate how much EMU misses an on campus arena.

https://twitter.com/HowardU/status/14506...64/video/1

Okay to have a FB stadium off main campus because it is 5 or 6 times a year + there is tailgating, etc.

But for basketball best to have a small, modern (which Howard's Burr is NOT, though) arena in the middle of campus where students WALK to the game, many within 5 minutes.

And the big differences between Howard and EMU:

1). EMU has a significant number of commuter students.

2). EMU has a significant number of students who live off campus. In the case of Howard, few students can afford to live off campus (say 2K/month for a one bedroom apartment) so they stay in university housing. Howard has two dorms literally equivalent to Brown Munson which borders Bowen. At Howard those students can walk out of their building and be at either the FB stadium or basketball arena.

3). And D.C. weather is much milder than S.E. MI. 02-13-banana No below zero wind chills.

Steve, I’m trying to understand the objective of your post. EMU has commuter students, it is cold in the winter and we still packed Bowen because it was convenient for the on campus students and for those who drove to games did so regardless that Bowen was on campus. Whoever made the decision to build the convo off campus misfired!
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(10-20-2021 09:23 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(10-20-2021 08:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Watching this "Madness" scrimmage I really appreciate how much EMU misses an on campus arena.

https://twitter.com/HowardU/status/14506...64/video/1

Okay to have a FB stadium off main campus because it is 5 or 6 times a year + there is tailgating, etc.

But for basketball best to have a small, modern (which Howard's Burr is NOT, though) arena in the middle of campus where students WALK to the game, many within 5 minutes.

And the big differences between Howard and EMU:

1). EMU has a significant number of commuter students.

2). EMU has a significant number of students who live off campus. In the case of Howard, few students can afford to live off campus (say 2K/month for a one bedroom apartment) so they stay in university housing. Howard has two dorms literally equivalent to Brown Munson which borders Bowen. At Howard those students can walk out of their building and be at either the FB stadium or basketball arena.

3). And D.C. weather is much milder than S.E. MI. 02-13-banana No below zero wind chills.

Steve, I’m trying to understand the objective of your post. EMU has commuter students, it is cold in the winter and we still packed Bowen because it was convenient for the on campus students and for those who drove to games did so regardless that Bowen was on campus. Whoever made the decision to build the convo off campus misfired!

I guess I'm re-thinking the decision to build bigger and off campus.

Couple of salient points:

1). EMU was drawing big crowds and the hope (expectation) that we would draw bigger crowds and big name schools. We were riding a wave. Everyone was building bigger, BSU, EMU, NIU, etc. in the 90s. And later free TV and streaming killed a lot of the walk up crowd. The Howard students who packed their gym last night did so for the atmosphere. What atmosphere can there be in a mostly empty arena?

2). EMU wanted a CONVOCATION CENTER. Hint: Not a field house or gym.

3). I now believe that many student came to Bowen games because they could walk across campus, or even out their doors at Brown, Munson, etc. They don't want to take a shuttle to the Convo.

4). Dr. Shelton told me the city would not have permitted the Convo to be built where Bowen is.

The salient question is: IF EMU wanted to tear down Bowen and build say a 5K seat arena at it's location (and using some of the adjacent surface parking) would the city permit it?

The city had real issues with traffic on Oakwood. I know the times I attended games that traffic and parking was really bad. Oakwood was never designed to handle traffic for an event with 5K attendance.

I believe when Bowen was built and used for basketball it had a capacity of only a few thousand. The placement of the bleachers was different way back when.

Would the city have okayed the permit if the plan was to have almost 5K seats?
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Luckey,

My posts were a stream of consciousness. I attended a Howard FB game two weeks ago with a large crowd in a small stadium. Saw You Tube which had Michie Stadium at West Point. Saw Howard's "Bison Madness" last night webcast which was completely full and rocking.

I started to think what makes a GREAT VENUE. the right location (Bowen)? The right size (Michie Stadium). Howards (2K+) gym? The atmosphere, views, etc. (Michie Stadium). What makes for a BAD VENUE? Say the UConn FB stadium many miles from campus? Parking and traffic issues (UofM). Stadium/arena too big (MANY in the MAC).

I was thinking: Howard got say 2K+ students to attend a "Madness" event. We have a scrimmage and attract 200. Why? As we know, most of our MBB/WBB attendance are locals. Surprisingly few students attend.
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(10-19-2021 03:50 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  I am going to contradict Miggy here…

No way is Monty Scott going to spell anyone as point guard. He averaged more turnovers than assists in each of his collegiate seasons (based on that stat, Lampley is the better point guard). With EMU returning Spottsville and adding Farrakhan as well as Luka, I can’t see a need for Monty to ever play the point.

Further, I also can’t see Monty starting over McBride whose offensive stats for last year are better across the board. Plus, Heath had to put effort to pulling McBride back from the transfer portal. Instead, I would assume Monty is the most likely candidate to start at SF, especially at 6-5. If not, I imagine he will back up McBride, say if Nate Scott or Golson play more as SF.

At Portland State, for the first time in his career, Scott played the PG position. His first three season he played the SG position. As PG, his assists were good. He was exceptional dishing the ball off inside. Although his turnover rate was a little high, opponents only scored 13-points off his turnovers in conference play. The reason such few points were scored was he didn’t have his dribble nor passes in backcourt stolen very often.

He prefers to play SG, or one of the wings, so it may well be he doesn’t play PG. But he’s proficient playing PG.

Believe McBride will be competing against Spottsville for playing time, as Spottsville is a very good defensive player, and McBride is not.

Scott is EMU’s best player. He has dominated in most scrimmages. But he’s not been assertive enough in others. Now it’s time to show what he do on the court.

Comparing Scott’s and McBride’s conference stats last season at two different schools, , Scott was better than McBride in averaging more points per game, shooting three’s, getting to the hoop, the foul-line, garnering far more offensive and defensive rebounds, assists, and steals. As such his defense was also far better.
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