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(10-12-2021 07:41 AM)odufansam Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:41 AM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  Oof, was looking at our upcoming game on ESPN.

Mack has a QBR of 20.1 on the season- 123rd in the nation. His 859 yards are 92nd, 5 TDs are 90th, and 7 Ints are 116th. Completion percentage is 51.5%, which is about the same as it was for his 100 passes in 2018 at UCF

He has also rushed for 177 yards on 72 attempts, for a 2.5 average. (Though 6 touchdowns)

Yes. The fact that we haven't given other QBs a chance is mind boggling. The only thing I can fathom is that Rahne promised him the role to get DJ to transfer.

Wolff played better than this during the last 4 games of 2019.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

(10-12-2021 08:26 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 07:41 AM)odufansam Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:41 AM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  Oof, was looking at our upcoming game on ESPN.

Mack has a QBR of 20.1 on the season- 123rd in the nation. His 859 yards are 92nd, 5 TDs are 90th, and 7 Ints are 116th. Completion percentage is 51.5%, which is about the same as it was for his 100 passes in 2018 at UCF

He has also rushed for 177 yards on 72 attempts, for a 2.5 average. (Though 6 touchdowns)

Yes. The fact that we haven't given other QBs a chance is mind boggling. The only thing I can fathom is that Rahne promised him the role to get DJ to transfer.

Wolff played better than this during the last 4 games of 2019.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

That's the only thing I can think of at this point. And he's got to be a man of his word if that's the case and the long play works out. With a high profile recruit like Mack who came back home and want to recruit this area more. You don't want to start looking like a guy who won't stick by what he said. That being said I hope Wolff stays and knows that he's got the fast track on being the starter next year with 3 years of experience and 3 more years to play. Could be like Stockstill and a 30 year old Senior dominating. =]

(10-11-2021 09:14 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 07:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 05:20 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 04:15 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 12:13 PM)monarx Wrote:  After 2 more games, Poff can play without losing eligibility as well.

Im still asking why people are even mentioning walkon QB. Are we hearing something or just speculating?

Speculating. But reports were he looked good and he certainly won a lot of games as a HS player. Just sounds a lot like TH from reports. Under sized, overlooked and a winner.

Which reports? Please dont say posters on here

Sorry. :) This is where I get my Monarch news since the VP stopped any real reporting. So yeah, that would be the guys here.

Then you are grossly uninformed. What you see mainly here are OPINIONS, almost exclusively who haven't been to a practice or talked to a coach since the season began. Sorry. :)

(10-12-2021 08:38 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 08:26 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 07:41 AM)odufansam Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:41 AM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  Oof, was looking at our upcoming game on ESPN.

Mack has a QBR of 20.1 on the season- 123rd in the nation. His 859 yards are 92nd, 5 TDs are 90th, and 7 Ints are 116th. Completion percentage is 51.5%, which is about the same as it was for his 100 passes in 2018 at UCF

He has also rushed for 177 yards on 72 attempts, for a 2.5 average. (Though 6 touchdowns)

Yes. The fact that we haven't given other QBs a chance is mind boggling. The only thing I can fathom is that Rahne promised him the role to get DJ to transfer.

Wolff played better than this during the last 4 games of 2019.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

That's the only thing I can think of at this point. And he's got to be a man of his word if that's the case and the long play works out. With a high profile recruit like Mack who came back home and want to recruit this area more. You don't want to start looking like a guy who won't stick by what he said. That being said I hope Wolff stays and knows that he's got the fast track on being the starter next year with 3 years of experience and 3 more years to play. Could be like Stockstill and a 30 year old Senior dominating. =]

but Mack will be back next year.

Ohhh I thought he was one and done transfer. Hmm. If I were RR and these numbers don't improve I'd have to bench him the last 2-3 games of the season and tell him I gave you the entire season. Then you can say you stuck by your dude as long as you could but we had to see what some others could do.

Shrug. That's a tough spot to be in.

I have a hard time believing any coach would promise a recruit a starting spot. I can see them promising the chance to compete for a starting spot, even saying they have a great chance to earn it. But not the actual spot itself. Otherwise, why wait so long to announce. Why the fake competition etc? I think RR made a decision and is sticking with it. I can understand that. But I do think once we hit 6 losses and certainly once we hit 4 games left it should be time to give someone else a chance to see what they can do.

Seems to me area HS coaches' opinion of RR is very important. I'm sure they are knowledgable enough to see Mack is not cutting it and RR is sticking by his word. I sincerely doubt any late season change of QB would be looked down on. Give Mack 2 more games, then switch up for last 4.

(10-12-2021 08:45 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 08:38 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 08:26 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 07:41 AM)odufansam Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:41 AM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  Oof, was looking at our upcoming game on ESPN.

Mack has a QBR of 20.1 on the season- 123rd in the nation. His 859 yards are 92nd, 5 TDs are 90th, and 7 Ints are 116th. Completion percentage is 51.5%, which is about the same as it was for his 100 passes in 2018 at UCF

He has also rushed for 177 yards on 72 attempts, for a 2.5 average. (Though 6 touchdowns)

Yes. The fact that we haven't given other QBs a chance is mind boggling. The only thing I can fathom is that Rahne promised him the role to get DJ to transfer.

Wolff played better than this during the last 4 games of 2019.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

That's the only thing I can think of at this point. And he's got to be a man of his word if that's the case and the long play works out. With a high profile recruit like Mack who came back home and want to recruit this area more. You don't want to start looking like a guy who won't stick by what he said. That being said I hope Wolff stays and knows that he's got the fast track on being the starter next year with 3 years of experience and 3 more years to play. Could be like Stockstill and a 30 year old Senior dominating. =]

but Mack will be back next year.

Doesnt mean he has to be QB. Smartt, Wolff and Williams are back this year.

We dont need to make stuff up. Mack was not promised a starting job.

True. Folks are just trying to understand/justify leaving in a guy at QB that's not producing and facing the fact that we have zero other options is tough pill to swallow. So it's gotta be something else. You know, the stuff the internet's made up of! =]

(10-12-2021 07:41 AM)odufansam Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:41 AM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  Oof, was looking at our upcoming game on ESPN.

Mack has a QBR of 20.1 on the season- 123rd in the nation. His 859 yards are 92nd, 5 TDs are 90th, and 7 Ints are 116th. Completion percentage is 51.5%, which is about the same as it was for his 100 passes in 2018 at UCF

He has also rushed for 177 yards on 72 attempts, for a 2.5 average. (Though 6 touchdowns)

Yes. The fact that we haven't given other QBs a chance is mind boggling. The only thing I can fathom is that Rahne promised him the role to get DJ to transfer.

Wolff played better than this during the last 4 games of 2019.

Not sure I agree that Wolff played better. At best, it is an arguable point.

Wolff played FIU, UTSA, and MTSU. These defenses were ranked 97, 124, and 108 in the country.

Ignoring Hampton bc they don't have real stats, we have faced the 30, 36, 61, 96, 107 defenses so far this year.

The difference in passing numbers favor Wolff slightly. The difference in rushing numbers favor Mack significantly.

Granted, the hope is that Wolff has improved since his 2019 appearance but the staff may not believe that based on watching practice everyday and the 2 appearances in live gameplay this year.

At any position, if the coach works with a starter who fails to perform at the level expected and needed, and that coach sees no improvement over a period of several games, it is my observation (and limited high school experience) that the coach will almost always replace that player, unless he has absolutely no confidence that the backup will do a better job. Even then, he may evaluate a player from another position if he believes that player could perform at a higher level. We are now six games into the season, and Coach Rahne has had significant opportunity to observe and work with Mack to elevate his play. If Mack remains the starter this week against Western Kentucky, my only conclusion will be that Coach Rahne has no confidence that we will see a better result with someone else at QB. It is my hope that Coach Rahne will have finally concluded that a change is necessary and that Wolff (or any one of the other four QBs) is capable of doing a better job. I like Coach Rahne and believe hiring him was a good move, but making this kind of decision is why he gets paid the big bucks.

Maybe I'm wrong. ETSUDB8-79, your thoughts?

(10-12-2021 01:06 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  At any position, if the coach works with a starter who fails to perform at the level expected and needed, and that coach sees no improvement over a period of several games, it is my observation (and limited high school experience) that the coach will almost always replace that player, unless he has absolutely no confidence that the backup will do a better job. Even then, he may evaluate a player from another position if he believes that player could perform at a higher level. We are now six games into the season, and Coach Rahne has had significant opportunity to observe and work with Mack to elevate his play. If Mack remains the starter this week against Western Kentucky, my only conclusion will be that Coach Rahne has no confidence that we will see a better result with someone else at QB. It is my hope that Coach Rahne will have finally concluded that a change is necessary and that Wolff (or any one of the other four QBs) is capable of doing a better job. I like Coach Rahne and believe hiring him was a good move, but making this kind of decision is why he gets paid the big bucks.

Maybe I'm wrong. ETSUDB8-79, your thoughts?

In most of the skill positions players are substituted in and out pretty regularly. QB is unique in that regard. QB will not normally be pulled for performance unless he royally screws up. Mack hasn't royally screwed up in any games, but he has certainly performed at a less than desired level. Other than WF, we saw Wolff for only a few plays for Mack's helmet coming off or whatever. It is really useless to compare statistics so we go with what our eyes tell us. Considering Wolff is #2 and supposedly the competition was close, it is hard to believe that Rahne has no confidence in Wolff. I also would like to see Wolff get a chance. My hope would be that he made the decision after the Marshall game, informed the team he was making a change, and they are spending this week preparing with Wolff as the #1. If Mack is practicing this week as the #1, then he should start Saturday. But if he craps the bed and still keeps him in, I'm afraid at some point I will start losing respect for Rahne. In the press conference, Rahne was asked a question related to whether he had confidence in Mack. He totally danced around that question and didn't answer yes or no. Any other coach would have answered yes, even if it wasn't true. Rahne doesn't lie.

If you believe the last part of your statement you haven't worked with many coaches.

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(10-12-2021 02:04 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  If you believe the last part of your statement you haven't worked with many coaches.

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Of course he doesn't lie. He said so himself.

(10-12-2021 01:52 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  In most of the skill positions players are substituted in and out pretty regularly. QB is unique in that regard. QB will not normally be pulled for performance unless he royally screws up. Mack hasn't royally screwed up in any games, but he has certainly performed at a less than desired level. Other than WF, we saw Wolff for only a few plays for Mack's helmet coming off or whatever. It is really useless to compare statistics so we go with what our eyes tell us. Considering Wolff is #2 and supposedly the competition was close, it is hard to believe that Rahne has no confidence in Wolff. I also would like to see Wolff get a chance. My hope would be that he made the decision after the Marshall game, informed the team he was making a change, and they are spending this week preparing with Wolff as the #1. If Mack is practicing this week as the #1, then he should start Saturday. But if he craps the bed and still keeps him in, I'm afraid at some point I will start losing respect for Rahne. In the press conference, Rahne was asked a question related to whether he had confidence in Mack. He totally danced around that question and didn't answer yes or no. Any other coach would have answered yes, even if it wasn't true. Rahne doesn't lie.

Im starting to think we might need to wait on the bye week for Rahne to realistically make the change. He would have to reconfigure schemes and such, and the bye is a natural re-evaluation and re-alignment point.

But if Mack is terrible against WKU and he's back after the bye, I will be disappointed.

That said, if he lights up WKU, whose defense has not been dominate this season, how will we feel? I'm uncertain

(10-12-2021 01:06 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  At any position, if the coach works with a starter who fails to perform at the level expected and needed, and that coach sees no improvement over a period of several games, it is my observation (and limited high school experience) that the coach will almost always replace that player, unless he has absolutely no confidence that the backup will do a better job. Even then, he may evaluate a player from another position if he believes that player could perform at a higher level. We are now six games into the season, and Coach Rahne has had significant opportunity to observe and work with Mack to elevate his play. If Mack remains the starter this week against Western Kentucky, my only conclusion will be that Coach Rahne has no confidence that we will see a better result with someone else at QB. It is my hope that Coach Rahne will have finally concluded that a change is necessary and that Wolff (or any one of the other four QBs) is capable of doing a better job. I like Coach Rahne and believe hiring him was a good move, but making this kind of decision is why he gets paid the big bucks.

Maybe I'm wrong. ETSUDB8-79, your thoughts?

Or maybe the staff feels that Mack has performed better than the posters on here believe based on information that none of us are privy to.

(10-12-2021 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:06 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  At any position, if the coach works with a starter who fails to perform at the level expected and needed, and that coach sees no improvement over a period of several games, it is my observation (and limited high school experience) that the coach will almost always replace that player, unless he has absolutely no confidence that the backup will do a better job. Even then, he may evaluate a player from another position if he believes that player could perform at a higher level. We are now six games into the season, and Coach Rahne has had significant opportunity to observe and work with Mack to elevate his play. If Mack remains the starter this week against Western Kentucky, my only conclusion will be that Coach Rahne has no confidence that we will see a better result with someone else at QB. It is my hope that Coach Rahne will have finally concluded that a change is necessary and that Wolff (or any one of the other four QBs) is capable of doing a better job. I like Coach Rahne and believe hiring him was a good move, but making this kind of decision is why he gets paid the big bucks.

Maybe I'm wrong. ETSUDB8-79, your thoughts?

Or maybe the staff feels that Mack has performed better than the posters on here believe based on information that none of us are privy to.

If that's the case they are relying on some terrible information. The results speak for themselves.

(10-12-2021 03:53 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:06 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  At any position, if the coach works with a starter who fails to perform at the level expected and needed, and that coach sees no improvement over a period of several games, it is my observation (and limited high school experience) that the coach will almost always replace that player, unless he has absolutely no confidence that the backup will do a better job. Even then, he may evaluate a player from another position if he believes that player could perform at a higher level. We are now six games into the season, and Coach Rahne has had significant opportunity to observe and work with Mack to elevate his play. If Mack remains the starter this week against Western Kentucky, my only conclusion will be that Coach Rahne has no confidence that we will see a better result with someone else at QB. It is my hope that Coach Rahne will have finally concluded that a change is necessary and that Wolff (or any one of the other four QBs) is capable of doing a better job. I like Coach Rahne and believe hiring him was a good move, but making this kind of decision is why he gets paid the big bucks.

Maybe I'm wrong. ETSUDB8-79, your thoughts?

Or maybe the staff feels that Mack has performed better than the posters on here believe based on information that none of us are privy to.

If that's the case they are relying on some terrible information. The results speak for themselves.

But how do you know how much is his fault or not? We don't. Its not like we know what routes the recievers are supposed to run or at what depth or what adjustments they are supposed to make based on the coverage.

Its not like Rahne is watching this thinking, "I know other QBs are better but I'm going to stick with Mack." He has his reasons.

(10-12-2021 04:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 03:53 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:06 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  At any position, if the coach works with a starter who fails to perform at the level expected and needed, and that coach sees no improvement over a period of several games, it is my observation (and limited high school experience) that the coach will almost always replace that player, unless he has absolutely no confidence that the backup will do a better job. Even then, he may evaluate a player from another position if he believes that player could perform at a higher level. We are now six games into the season, and Coach Rahne has had significant opportunity to observe and work with Mack to elevate his play. If Mack remains the starter this week against Western Kentucky, my only conclusion will be that Coach Rahne has no confidence that we will see a better result with someone else at QB. It is my hope that Coach Rahne will have finally concluded that a change is necessary and that Wolff (or any one of the other four QBs) is capable of doing a better job. I like Coach Rahne and believe hiring him was a good move, but making this kind of decision is why he gets paid the big bucks.

Maybe I'm wrong. ETSUDB8-79, your thoughts?

Or maybe the staff feels that Mack has performed better than the posters on here believe based on information that none of us are privy to.

If that's the case they are relying on some terrible information. The results speak for themselves.

But how do you know how much is his fault or not? We don't. Its not like we know what routes the recievers are supposed to run or at what depth or what adjustments they are supposed to make based on the coverage.

Its not like Rahne is watching this thinking, "I know other QBs are better but I'm going to stick with Mack." He has his reasons.

Im speculating that its because he prefers the run game offense, and our current playbook depends on a dual threat quarterback/one who can run the ball. Transitioning to a pocket passer means re-scheming. If Mack could throw, the current paradigm would have more upside, but we are one dimensional on offense right now and its killing us