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So Now We Know What Jim Delany Has Been Working On---G5 Reorganization
Dodd breaks a story on a CUSA reorgnaization proposal for the Sunbelt/AAC/CUSA. There's a little more relevant realignment news buried in the story too.


A proposal to regionalize three Group of Five conferences will be presented to Conference USA presidents Monday. The concept calls for C-USA, the American and the Sun Belt to realign based on the states and regions of teams in an effort to halt ongoing realignment and stabilize budgets at the Group of Five level.

The plan is also intended to convince AAC commissioner Mike Aresco's conference to join the regionalization concept, thus eliminating the threat of Aresco picking off teams from the other two leagues to make up for the recent loss of three teams to the Big 12.

The concept will be presented by former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg. C-USA hired Delany as an advisor during realignment. Delany is being assisted by Weiberg, his former deputy Big Ten commissioner. Weiberg helped launch both the Big Ten and Pac-12 television networks.

When asked about the C-USA concept, an AAC spokesman told CBS Sports, "We have zero interest in that. That's not in our plan."

After failing to lure any Mountain West schools, sources said the AAC had set its sights East on some combination of UAB, North Texas, Texas State, UTSA, Appalachian State and perhaps others. There has also been buzz about Aresco going "big" and inviting up to eight schools to grow his conference to 16 teams.




https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ed-monday/
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So, reallocation of success from the successful to the less so?
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(10-09-2021 01:43 PM)vick mike Wrote:  So, reallocation of success from the successful to the less so?

Reorganization only works if all the schools already make the same money. Otherwise, those at the top of the pyramid have zero reason to take a pay cut. Im just glad to see AppSt getting attention for the AAC. I think there is a lot of upside there for a program thats had a long history of performing well at every level its played at.
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this will pick up importance when the new playoff format is released and it shows that the G6 is left out in the cold, i think it’s a possibility the the G6 won’t even have a kitty table to sit at
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(10-09-2021 01:54 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  this will pick up importance when the new playoff format is released and it shows that the G6 is left out in the cold, i think it’s a possibility the the G6 won’t even have a kitty table to sit at

lol---where are you getting that? The new 12 team format is expected to be approved by December and in effect by 2023 per an article today by Pete Thamel. The G5 (or G6--however it plays out)--will be just fine and enjoy the closest thing to a level playing field in terms of the post season and---more importantly--RECRUITING. When you can truly "get to the CFP from here"---it makes a big difference in who you can recruit.
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This sounds like CUSA knows they are about to lose a member or two.

This makes little sense for AAC. The MWC would love this.

I am surprised at the names mentioned for AAC. North Texas, Texas state? Not who many on this board highlight or want.
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(10-09-2021 02:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 01:54 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  this will pick up importance when the new playoff format is released and it shows that the G6 is left out in the cold, i think it’s a possibility the the G6 won’t even have a kitty table to sit at

lol---where are you getting that? The new 12 team format is expected to be approved by December and in effect by 2023 per an article today by Pete Thamel. The G5 (or G6--however it plays out)--will be just fine and enjoy the closest thing to a level playing field in terms of the post season and---more importantly--RECRUITING. When you can truly "get to the CFP from here"---it makes a big difference in who you can recruit.
I think everything hinges on what the new playoff format looks like, seems odd to cement any deals before then01-wingedeagle
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(10-09-2021 02:05 PM)Boots Wrote:  This sounds like CUSA knows they are about to lose a member or two.

This makes little sense for AAC. The MWC would love this.

I am surprised at the names mentioned for AAC. North Texas, Texas state? Not who many on this board highlight or want.

AppSt and UAB are the only two that make much sense of the ones specifically mention. Apparently---there are others under consideration that were not specifically mentioned. The ones mentioned make me think that Aresco is dead set on adding at least one Texas team. Ive long thought Texas St is the best long term bet if your going to roll the dice on one of N Texas, UTSA, Rice, or Texas St. Its located 30 minutes from Austin--45 minutes from San Antonio---with a beautiful campus with a river running through it. Good facilities and the 4th largest student body in the state behind only Texas, Aggie, and Houston. Its a Tier 1 school in a great recruiting area. They just need the right coach.
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Of course the weakest link about to get double raided wants this. [/quote]
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(10-09-2021 02:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 02:05 PM)Boots Wrote:  This sounds like CUSA knows they are about to lose a member or two.

This makes little sense for AAC. The MWC would love this.

I am surprised at the names mentioned for AAC. North Texas, Texas state? Not who many on this board highlight or want.

AppSt and UAB are the only two that make much sense of the ones specifically mention. Apparently---there are others under consideration that were not specifically mentioned. The ones mentioned make me think that Aresco is dead set on adding at least one Texas team. Ive long thought Texas St is the best long term bet if your going to roll the dice on one of N Texas, UTSA, Rice, or Texas St. Its located 30 minutes from Austin--45 minutes from San Antonio---with a beautiful campus with a river running through it. Good facilities and the 4th largest student body in the state behind only Texas, Aggie, and Houston. Its a Tier 1 school in a great recruiting area. They just need the right coach.
Totally agree with Texas st... right coach yes but same with houston, heck for any team for that matter
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Texas State has been AWFUL in football. Would be hard to justify this one.

Bottom dweller in sun belt.

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Why in the world would the AAC ever agree to this?
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(10-09-2021 02:17 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 02:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 02:05 PM)Boots Wrote:  This sounds like CUSA knows they are about to lose a member or two.

This makes little sense for AAC. The MWC would love this.

I am surprised at the names mentioned for AAC. North Texas, Texas state? Not who many on this board highlight or want.

AppSt and UAB are the only two that make much sense of the ones specifically mention. Apparently---there are others under consideration that were not specifically mentioned. The ones mentioned make me think that Aresco is dead set on adding at least one Texas team. Ive long thought Texas St is the best long term bet if your going to roll the dice on one of N Texas, UTSA, Rice, or Texas St. Its located 30 minutes from Austin--45 minutes from San Antonio---with a beautiful campus with a river running through it. Good facilities and the 4th largest student body in the state behind only Texas, Aggie, and Houston. Its a Tier 1 school in a great recruiting area. They just need the right coach.
Totally agree with Texas st... right coach yes but same with houston, heck for any team for that matter

Bulldog stadiumjust got a nice renovation as well... but they are just too recent from FCS. UTSA would be a better add IMHO.
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8 schools do you guys really think we are considering adding 8???
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Non starter. We will add the 2 or 4 we want. Nice try cUSA.
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This is peak Consultant behavior. The Consultant has to come up with something to justify the retainer, so they come up with something outlandish, and aggressive, then walk away and look for the next job. This happens everyday in business. its hilarious.
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(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dodd breaks a story on a CUSA reorgnaization proposal for the Sunbelt/AAC/CUSA. There's a little more relevant realignment news buried in the story too.


A proposal to regionalize three Group of Five conferences will be presented to Conference USA presidents Monday. The concept calls for C-USA, the American and the Sun Belt to realign based on the states and regions of teams in an effort to halt ongoing realignment and stabilize budgets at the Group of Five level.

The plan is also intended to convince AAC commissioner Mike Aresco's conference to join the regionalization concept, thus eliminating the threat of Aresco picking off teams from the other two leagues to make up for the recent loss of three teams to the Big 12.

The concept will be presented by former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg. C-USA hired Delany as an advisor during realignment. Delany is being assisted by Weiberg, his former deputy Big Ten commissioner. Weiberg helped launch both the Big Ten and Pac-12 television networks.

When asked about the C-USA concept, an AAC spokesman told CBS Sports, "We have zero interest in that. That's not in our plan."

After failing to lure any Mountain West schools, sources said the AAC had set its sights East on some combination of UAB, North Texas, Texas State, UTSA, Appalachian State and perhaps others. There has also been buzz about Aresco going "big" and inviting up to eight schools to grow his conference to 16 teams.




https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ed-monday/

There are a couple of problems with this story.

1) Dodd doesn't seem to realize that UTSA has already made it clear that they're not interested in joining the AAC at the present time.

2) Aresco has made it clear that the AAC won't simply be adding strong FB schools.
None of the schools listed by Dodd has had a consistent record of success in men's basketball. One or two of them have had modest success, such as playing in a recent NIT or NCAA tournament, but none are what anyone would consider strong basketball schools.

3) Aresco is unlikely to just add a handful of southern schools, most of which are in Texas. He describes himself as a strategic thinker, and one aspect of strategy is avoiding the perception that the AAC is just going to build up its footprint in the same exact part of the nation where the CUSA and Sun Belt footprints are.

4) A dead giveaway in the story is the phrase "and perhaps others." Everyone knows that Aresco plays his cards close to the vest. He only gives out tidbits of information. Chances are that he's only giving out a limited amount of information.

---Why should an AAC "spokesman" tell Dodd the specific schools that the AAC is most interested in? There's no good reason.

---UAB is the only school that has popped up repeatedly, so they seem most likely. App. State also seems likely, and one Texas school seems likely, since the AAC's headquarters is located in Texas, after all.

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It's really fascinating that, since the MWC teams dropped out of consideration, the most recent reports are suggesting that the AAC may add MORE schools now.

--McMurphy reported that an AAC spokesman said the conference could add "two, four or six" and that "anything is possible.

--Now Dodd is suggesting that the AAC might add as many as eight schools.

--This definitely suggests a significant change of strategy.

--It may be the case that ESPN is determined not to let the AAC drop down in stature. It's starting to appear that they would prefer to shell out millions more to bolster the AAC than to stand idly by and watch the AAC become just another ordinary G5 conference.

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I love the idea of adding eight and building the AAC into a 16-team conference.

These would be an excellent group to add, if the AAC could add 8 members:

App. State
Army or Coastal Carolina
Buffalo - solid FB/strong MBB program
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
UAB
Western KY - bowl quality FB program/strong MBB program

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Reorganization might make sense for conferences that make about the same $$, but why on earth would we reorganize with CUSA?
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(10-09-2021 01:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 01:43 PM)vick mike Wrote:  So, reallocation of success from the successful to the less so?

Reorganization only works if all the schools already make the same money. Otherwise, those at the top of the pyramid have zero reason to take a pay cut. Im just glad to see AppSt getting attention for the AAC. I think there is a lot of upside there for a program thats had a long history of performing well at every level its played at.
Or to be associated with the school down the street

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(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  After failing to lure any Mountain West schools, sources said the AAC had set its sights East on some combination of [
UAB, North Texas, Texas State, UTSA, Appalachian State and perhaps others. There has also been buzz about Aresco going "big" and inviting up to eight schools to grow his conference to 16 teams.

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This is what I alluded to a couple days ago when I said I don’t think Aresco is done going after AF and CSU.
They WANT to come. They didn’t turn down the AAC as much as they said that they need the numbers to work.

I don’t see any way we go to 16 unless it involves the MWC, heavily.
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