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College football has been trying to kill the Big East for years but somehow it keeps regrouping, renaming and keeps taking names and kicking ass. This is the latest attempt to kill that sucker..... Delaney is yelling "GIVE UP MOTHER FKRS"

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(10-09-2021 03:07 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dodd breaks a story on a CUSA reorgnaization proposal for the Sunbelt/AAC/CUSA. There's a little more relevant realignment news buried in the story too.


A proposal to regionalize three Group of Five conferences will be presented to Conference USA presidents Monday. The concept calls for C-USA, the American and the Sun Belt to realign based on the states and regions of teams in an effort to halt ongoing realignment and stabilize budgets at the Group of Five level.

The plan is also intended to convince AAC commissioner Mike Aresco's conference to join the regionalization concept, thus eliminating the threat of Aresco picking off teams from the other two leagues to make up for the recent loss of three teams to the Big 12.

The concept will be presented by former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg. C-USA hired Delany as an advisor during realignment. Delany is being assisted by Weiberg, his former deputy Big Ten commissioner. Weiberg helped launch both the Big Ten and Pac-12 television networks.

When asked about the C-USA concept, an AAC spokesman told CBS Sports, "We have zero interest in that. That's not in our plan."

After failing to lure any Mountain West schools, sources said the AAC had set its sights East on some combination of UAB, North Texas, Texas State, UTSA, Appalachian State and perhaps others. There has also been buzz about Aresco going "big" and inviting up to eight schools to grow his conference to 16 teams.




https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ed-monday/

There are a couple of problems with this story.

1) Dodd doesn't seem to realize that UTSA has already made it clear that they're not interested in joining the AAC at the present time.

2) Aresco has made it clear that the AAC won't simply be adding strong FB schools.
None of the schools listed by Dodd has had a consistent record of success in men's basketball. One or two of them have had modest success, such as playing in a recent NIT or NCAA tournament, but none are what anyone would consider strong basketball schools.

3) Aresco is unlikely to just add a handful of southern schools, most of which are in Texas. He describes himself as a strategic thinker, and one aspect of strategy is avoiding the perception that the AAC is just going to build up its footprint in the same exact part of the nation where the CUSA and Sun Belt footprints are.

4) A dead giveaway in the story is the phrase "and perhaps others." Everyone knows that Aresco plays his cards close to the vest. He only gives out tidbits of information. Chances are that he's only giving out a limited amount of information.

---Why should an AAC "spokesman" tell Dodd the specific schools that the AAC is most interested in? There's no good reason.

---UAB is the only school that has popped up repeatedly, so they seem most likely. App. State also seems likely, and one Texas school seems likely, since the AAC's headquarters is located in Texas, after all.

.

It's really fascinating that, since the MWC teams dropped out of consideration, the most recent reports are suggesting that the AAC may add MORE schools now.

--McMurphy reported that an AAC spokesman said the conference could add "two, four or six" and that "anything is possible.

--Now Dodd is suggesting that the AAC might add as many as eight schools.

--This definitely suggests a significant change of strategy.

--It may be the case that ESPN is determined not to let the AAC drop down in stature. It's starting to appear that they would prefer to shell out millions more to bolster the AAC than to stand idly by and watch the AAC become just another ordinary G5 conference.

.

I love the idea of adding eight and building the AAC into a 16-team conference.

These would be an excellent group to add, if the AAC could add 8 members:

App. State
Army or Coastal Carolina
Buffalo - solid FB/strong MBB program
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
UAB
Western KY - bowl quality FB program/strong MBB program

.

Someone posted earlier that the American would not take 3 North Carolina schools (though as pointed out one is in South Carolina) That being said I don’t believe we would want 3 Louisiana schools either. While I like the idea of adding Army, they have not seemed interested and the Army-Navy logistics need to be worked out. WKY has not been mentioned much, and what you write is true, but are they in a remote location?
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(10-09-2021 02:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Why in the world would the AAC ever agree to this?

It’s insulting to me to even suggest such a proposal to the AAC.
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(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dodd breaks a story on a CUSA reorgnaization proposal for the Sunbelt/AAC/CUSA. There's a little more relevant realignment news buried in the story too.


A proposal to regionalize three Group of Five conferences will be presented to Conference USA presidents Monday. The concept calls for C-USA, the American and the Sun Belt to realign based on the states and regions of teams in an effort to halt ongoing realignment and stabilize budgets at the Group of Five level.

The plan is also intended to convince AAC commissioner Mike Aresco's conference to join the regionalization concept, thus eliminating the threat of Aresco picking off teams from the other two leagues to make up for the recent loss of three teams to the Big 12.

The concept will be presented by former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg. C-USA hired Delany as an advisor during realignment. Delany is being assisted by Weiberg, his former deputy Big Ten commissioner. Weiberg helped launch both the Big Ten and Pac-12 television networks.

When asked about the C-USA concept, an AAC spokesman told CBS Sports, "We have zero interest in that. That's not in our plan."

After failing to lure any Mountain West schools, sources said the AAC had set its sights East on some combination of UAB, North Texas, Texas State, UTSA, Appalachian State and perhaps others. There has also been buzz about Aresco going "big" and inviting up to eight schools to grow his conference to 16 teams.




https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ed-monday/

Maybe two Texas schools are being considered. I could definitely see one to replace Houston. But maybe there is two, and an underlying strategy to bring Air Force and Colorado State back in the fold. Closer travel partners and such. I don’t know. Just a thought.
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(10-09-2021 03:07 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dodd breaks a story on a CUSA reorgnaization proposal for the Sunbelt/AAC/CUSA. There's a little more relevant realignment news buried in the story too.


A proposal to regionalize three Group of Five conferences will be presented to Conference USA presidents Monday. The concept calls for C-USA, the American and the Sun Belt to realign based on the states and regions of teams in an effort to halt ongoing realignment and stabilize budgets at the Group of Five level.

The plan is also intended to convince AAC commissioner Mike Aresco's conference to join the regionalization concept, thus eliminating the threat of Aresco picking off teams from the other two leagues to make up for the recent loss of three teams to the Big 12.

The concept will be presented by former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg. C-USA hired Delany as an advisor during realignment. Delany is being assisted by Weiberg, his former deputy Big Ten commissioner. Weiberg helped launch both the Big Ten and Pac-12 television networks.

When asked about the C-USA concept, an AAC spokesman told CBS Sports, "We have zero interest in that. That's not in our plan."

After failing to lure any Mountain West schools, sources said the AAC had set its sights East on some combination of UAB, North Texas, Texas State, UTSA, Appalachian State and perhaps others. There has also been buzz about Aresco going "big" and inviting up to eight schools to grow his conference to 16 teams.




https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ed-monday/

There are a couple of problems with this story.

1) Dodd doesn't seem to realize that UTSA has already made it clear that they're not interested in joining the AAC at the present time.

2) Aresco has made it clear that the AAC won't simply be adding strong FB schools.
None of the schools listed by Dodd has had a consistent record of success in men's basketball. One or two of them have had modest success, such as playing in a recent NIT or NCAA tournament, but none are what anyone would consider strong basketball schools.

3) Aresco is unlikely to just add a handful of southern schools, most of which are in Texas. He describes himself as a strategic thinker, and one aspect of strategy is avoiding the perception that the AAC is just going to build up its footprint in the same exact part of the nation where the CUSA and Sun Belt footprints are.

4) A dead giveaway in the story is the phrase "and perhaps others." Everyone knows that Aresco plays his cards close to the vest. He only gives out tidbits of information. Chances are that he's only giving out a limited amount of information.

---Why should an AAC "spokesman" tell Dodd the specific schools that the AAC is most interested in? There's no good reason.

---UAB is the only school that has popped up repeatedly, so they seem most likely. App. State also seems likely, and one Texas school seems likely, since the AAC's headquarters is located in Texas, after all.

.

It's really fascinating that, since the MWC teams dropped out of consideration, the most recent reports are suggesting that the AAC may add MORE schools now.

--McMurphy reported that an AAC spokesman said the conference could add "two, four or six" and that "anything is possible.

--Now Dodd is suggesting that the AAC might add as many as eight schools.

--This definitely suggests a significant change of strategy.

--It may be the case that ESPN is determined not to let the AAC drop down in stature. It's starting to appear that they would prefer to shell out millions more to bolster the AAC than to stand idly by and watch the AAC become just another ordinary G5 conference.

.

I love the idea of adding eight and building the AAC into a 16-team conference.

These would be an excellent group to add, if the AAC could add 8 members:

App. State
Army or Coastal Carolina
Buffalo - solid FB/strong MBB program
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
UAB
Western KY - bowl quality FB program/strong MBB program

.

None of things you see as "problems" with the story are anything more than message board speculation. There is absolutely no reliable source other than a twitter account named "poop" that has said UTSA is not interested in an AAC invite. Furthermore---the fact that the AAC is currently considering/vetting 3 Texas teams in no way implies the AAC will add all three. The fact Dodd admits other unnamed schools might be targets tells you his source is not likely the AAC---but rather leaking from schools under consideration who dont know who all else is in play.

While I dont think they should "go big"---taking 4 to 6 teams would effectively neuter the competition for the access bowl . It would substantially neutralize any other eastern threats and limit any eastern expansion into Texas or the central time zone by the MW. I dont particularly like the strategy as I think it waters down the quality and payout of the AAC---but the "go big" option does have some strategic merit.
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Just for fun if we add 8

UAB
Marshall
ODU
FAU
N Texas
UTSA
Rice
Ga St./Charlotte
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(10-09-2021 03:31 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 02:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Why in the world would the AAC ever agree to this?

It’s insulting to me to even suggest such a proposal to the AAC.

It’s beyond insulting. Tulane would never agree to such nonsense. Being associated with C-USA set Tulane back decades. Having to share a conference with schools like Southern Miss and Marshall who have no market and no academics almost destroyed a proud athletic institution that represents the great city of New Orleans. We will never agree to any of this. C-USA and all their garbage schools are desperate and should be kicked out of FBS for good.
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(10-09-2021 04:25 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 03:31 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 02:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Why in the world would the AAC ever agree to this?

It’s insulting to me to even suggest such a proposal to the AAC.

It’s beyond insulting. Tulane would never agree to such nonsense. Being associated with C-USA set Tulane back decades. Having to share a conference with schools like Southern Miss and Marshall who have no market and no academics almost destroyed a proud athletic institution that represents the great city of New Orleans. We will never agree to any of this. C-USA and all their garbage schools are desperate and should be kicked out of FBS for good.

Lol c’mon man, we’ve been digging ourselves out of an athletic hole since we left the SEC. Don’t pretend that associating with better athletic programs was the problem. Be mad at our current and past presidents for not valuing Athletics highly enough.
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(10-09-2021 04:22 PM)piratedj Wrote:  Just for fun if we add 8

UAB
Marshall
ODU
FAU
N Texas
UTSA
Rice
Ga St./Charlotte

If we add 8 and the MWC is out of play,

UAB
Marshall
App State
Coastal Carolina
Rice
Buffalo
Louisiana Tech
???
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(10-09-2021 04:57 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 04:22 PM)piratedj Wrote:  Just for fun if we add 8

UAB
Marshall
ODU
FAU
N Texas
UTSA
Rice
Ga St./Charlotte

If we add 8 and the MWC is out of play,

UAB
Marshall
App State
Coastal Carolina
Rice
Buffalo
Louisiana Tech
???

We won’t add 8 unless the MWC is in play. Anything above 4 will have to have MWC teams involved.
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(10-09-2021 02:31 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 02:17 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 02:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 02:05 PM)Boots Wrote:  This sounds like CUSA knows they are about to lose a member or two.

This makes little sense for AAC. The MWC would love this.

I am surprised at the names mentioned for AAC. North Texas, Texas state? Not who many on this board highlight or want.

AppSt and UAB are the only two that make much sense of the ones specifically mention. Apparently---there are others under consideration that were not specifically mentioned. The ones mentioned make me think that Aresco is dead set on adding at least one Texas team. Ive long thought Texas St is the best long term bet if your going to roll the dice on one of N Texas, UTSA, Rice, or Texas St. Its located 30 minutes from Austin--45 minutes from San Antonio---with a beautiful campus with a river running through it. Good facilities and the 4th largest student body in the state behind only Texas, Aggie, and Houston. Its a Tier 1 school in a great recruiting area. They just need the right coach.
Totally agree with Texas st... right coach yes but same with houston, heck for any team for that matter

Bulldog stadiumjust got a nice renovation as well... but they are just too recent from FCS. UTSA would be a better add IMHO.

They both started in FBS at the same time. The only difference is Texas State had been playing FCS for ages where as UTSA was a start from scratch program. Frankly—I don’t think either is a great addition—but if you forced me to add one—I think Texas St has the higher ceiling That said—We probably need some big public schools given we are losing 3 of our 4 largest public schools.
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(10-09-2021 04:22 PM)piratedj Wrote:  Just for fun if we add 8

UAB
Marshall
ODU
FAU
N Texas
UTSA
Rice
Ga St./Charlotte

Too Texasy. Would include Buffalo and/or App St over Rice, ODU, GA ST and Charlotte.
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(10-09-2021 02:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Why in the world would the AAC ever agree to this?

Yeah

This

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Frick off

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At least this go around Jimmy is a consultant. No more ring of power. He's just a eunuch now.
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(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dodd breaks a story on a CUSA reorgnaization proposal for the Sunbelt/AAC/CUSA. There's a little more relevant realignment news buried in the story too.


A proposal to regionalize three Group of Five conferences will be presented to Conference USA presidents Monday. The concept calls for C-USA, the American and the Sun Belt to realign based on the states and regions of teams in an effort to halt ongoing realignment and stabilize budgets at the Group of Five level.

The plan is also intended to convince AAC commissioner Mike Aresco's conference to join the regionalization concept, thus eliminating the threat of Aresco picking off teams from the other two leagues to make up for the recent loss of three teams to the Big 12.

The concept will be presented by former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg. C-USA hired Delany as an advisor during realignment. Delany is being assisted by Weiberg, his former deputy Big Ten commissioner. Weiberg helped launch both the Big Ten and Pac-12 television networks.

When asked about the C-USA concept, an AAC spokesman told CBS Sports, "We have zero interest in that. That's not in our plan."

After failing to lure any Mountain West schools, sources said the AAC had set its sights East on some combination of UAB, North Texas, Texas State, UTSA, Appalachian State and perhaps others. There has also been buzz about Aresco going "big" and inviting up to eight schools to grow his conference to 16 teams.




https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ed-monday/

That proposal is almost the stupidest fukking thing I've ever heard.
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(10-09-2021 04:22 PM)piratedj Wrote:  Just for fun if we add 8

UAB
Marshall
ODU
FAU
N Texas
UTSA
Rice
Ga St./Charlotte
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(10-09-2021 02:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Why in the world would the AAC ever agree to this?

It’s insulting to me to even suggest such a proposal to the AAC.

It’s beyond insulting. Tulane would never agree to such nonsense. Being associated with C-USA set Tulane back decades. Having to share a conference with schools like Southern Miss and Marshall who have no market and no academics almost destroyed a proud athletic institution that represents the great city of New Orleans. We will never agree to any of this. C-USA and all their garbage schools are desperate and should be kicked out of FBS for good.

Lol c’mon man, we’ve been digging ourselves out of an athletic hole since we left the SEC. Don’t pretend that associating with better athletic programs was the problem. Be mad at our current and past presidents for not valuing Athletics highly enough.

Respectfully I disagree. Being associated with lesser programs for those years really hurt us. It’s hard to get recruits excited about playing in an empty stadium in Hattiesburg, Ms or West Virginia or even Birmingham for that matter. It’s hard to get a rabid fan base excited about another year playing schools with no market and no academics. It cost us big time associating with less than programs, thankfully the AAC saved us and sort of awoken a sleeping giant but man C-USA nearly destroyed us. I think C-USA is the worst thing to happen to college athletics in the last 40 years. That’s why it’s imperative for us to be super selective in who we call up to the big leagues. We cannot associate with a Marshall or La Tech or USM ever again.
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(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dodd breaks a story on a CUSA reorgnaization proposal for the Sunbelt/AAC/CUSA. There's a little more relevant realignment news buried in the story too.


A proposal to regionalize three Group of Five conferences will be presented to Conference USA presidents Monday. The concept calls for C-USA, the American and the Sun Belt to realign based on the states and regions of teams in an effort to halt ongoing realignment and stabilize budgets at the Group of Five level.

The plan is also intended to convince AAC commissioner Mike Aresco's conference to join the regionalization concept, thus eliminating the threat of Aresco picking off teams from the other two leagues to make up for the recent loss of three teams to the Big 12.

The concept will be presented by former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg. C-USA hired Delany as an advisor during realignment. Delany is being assisted by Weiberg, his former deputy Big Ten commissioner. Weiberg helped launch both the Big Ten and Pac-12 television networks.

When asked about the C-USA concept, an AAC spokesman told CBS Sports, "We have zero interest in that. That's not in our plan."

After failing to lure any Mountain West schools, sources said the AAC had set its sights East on some combination of UAB, North Texas, Texas State, UTSA, Appalachian State and perhaps others. There has also been buzz about Aresco going "big" and inviting up to eight schools to grow his conference to 16 teams.




https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ed-monday/


If the Mouse puts out those names of expansion candidates it would be more believable. Dodd only knows what is happening with the Mountain West and CUSA, the only leagues affiliated with CBS.
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(10-09-2021 03:25 PM)Pirate1 Wrote:  College football has been trying to kill the Big East for years but somehow it keeps regrouping, renaming and keeps taking names and kicking ass. This is the latest attempt to kill that sucker..... Delaney is yelling "GIVE UP MOTHER FKRS"

AAC Forever!

With Conference USA out of the way, the Autonomy 5 Conferences and Notre Dame would strengthen their majority in NCAA governance.
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(10-09-2021 03:31 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 02:30 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Why in the world would the AAC ever agree to this?

It’s insulting to me to even suggest such a proposal to the AAC.

It’s beyond insulting. Tulane would never agree to such nonsense. Being associated with C-USA set Tulane back decades. Having to share a conference with schools like Southern Miss and Marshall who have no market and no academics almost destroyed a proud athletic institution that represents the great city of New Orleans. We will never agree to any of this. C-USA and all their garbage schools are desperate and should be kicked out of FBS for good.

Seriously? Kicked out of FBS? Did Judy MacLeod run over your dog?
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