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RE: Regionalization concept to be presented Monday
This makes no sense unless the playoff expands.

Not that I’m against this, but only if the playoff expands.
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As much as I favor such a concept, it will NEVER happen. AAC has already shown they are not limited by geography in defining who they are. I’m sure they will select who they think best helps their brand regardless of where the team is. Sun Belt is already fairly compact so not sure what their motivation would be. Agree that CUSA has a geography problem, but it’s our problem. As an eastern based fan, I respect our western brothers and sisters, but they will never be “rivalry” teams from my vantage point. I’ve written before that I would love to see an Eastern conference, with Marshall in it, but doubt that is ever going to happen in my lifetime. I think we’re all just going to have to see what the AAC does, and react to that.
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(10-09-2021 05:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  Clearly, this seems like a desperate ploy by C-USA to avoid being further weakened by realignment. They are the only ones who would benefit from this, which explains why the AAC and SBC are already dismissing the idea.

More “inconvenienced” than “weakened”. There’s no Oklahoma or Texas in CUSA to lose. The thing they’re trying to avoid is becoming as scattered as the 2000 WAC; they might well end up with teams in Texas and Louisiana and in east coast states with not much in between. But, AAC and SBC have zero incentive to help CUSA avoid that.
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RE: Regionalization concept to be presented Monday
(10-09-2021 05:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 05:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  Clearly, this seems like a desperate ploy by C-USA to avoid being further weakened by realignment. They are the only ones who would benefit from this, which explains why the AAC and SBC are already dismissing the idea.

More “inconvenienced” than “weakened”. There’s no Oklahoma or Texas in CUSA to lose. The thing they’re trying to avoid is becoming as scattered as the 2000 WAC; they might well end up with teams in Texas and Louisiana and in east coast states with not much in between. But, AAC and SBC have zero incentive to help CUSA avoid that.

And there’s a big difference between El Paso, Texas and the rest of Texas.
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(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  The problem is this only works if AAC and Sun Belt go along and the article makes it pretty clear neither are willing to play along

The AAC can't do it. The broad footprint of the conference is one of the things that kept Navy on board despite its drop in status since it agreed to join.

So this plan is a purely notional arrangement to raise the issue, without anybody having to invest in actually defending this specific version.

After all, before it become possible to do an actual regionalization in place, the AAC will announce their raids, and then the schools that are the basis for regionalization will just be the remaining CUSA and SBC schools, plus any Independents or FCS call-ups they might wish to include.
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RE: Regionalization concept to be presented Monday
What is more likely to happen is that the AAC is going to add 2 members from the combined 24 member pool of SBC/C-USA members and the remaining schools reorganize on geographic lines into a 10 and a 12 member league, or 2 12 member leagues if they decide to incorporate a pair of additional schools.
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(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  My guess is Aresco will politely reject the offer and extend invites to schools in the AAC and/or Sun Belt.

There won't be many to choose from with the budget expectations of the AAC. Unless they are willing to make concessions.
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It is DOA. A 2 conf shuffle with CUSA and Belt makes sense. AAC will want no part of it.

AAC simply needs to add the 2 best available and call it a day.
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(10-09-2021 06:11 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  My guess is Aresco will politely reject the offer and extend invites to schools in the AAC and/or Sun Belt.

There won't be many to choose from with the budget expectations of the AAC. Unless they are willing to make concessions.

You know----Ive never seen one unsourced tweet from a random Twitter account called "poop" be so embraced as a certain unassailable truth by the folks on this board. Plenty of serious reputable writers with real sources are chasing this story and not one has even so much as hinted at UTSA taking themselves out of play due to an unwillingness to commit to being financially competitive if they are invited.

That said---my question is "Why would you want a member who would balk at committing to be minimally competitive from a budget standpoint?" Thats literally the only athletic factor the administration at any school can actually guarantee. They cant guarantee a winning team. They cant gurantee that their ratings will be good. They cant guarantee their winning coach will stay. They cant gurantee their fans will show up. All they can do is guarantee they will commit to investing at a level that is at least competitive with the current lower end of the conference.
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(10-09-2021 06:11 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  My guess is Aresco will politely reject the offer and extend invites to schools in the AAC and/or Sun Belt.

There won't be many to choose from with the budget expectations of the AAC. Unless they are willing to make concessions.

They only need two. One, if they're really adamant on whatever.
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(10-09-2021 06:52 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  It is DOA. A 2 conf shuffle with CUSA and Belt makes sense.

Not for the Belt, or the teams in it.
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(10-09-2021 03:01 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Navy expressly didn't want a regional conference - while the American wasn't exactly national, it delivered a wide enough exposure to satisfy the majority of Navy's needs.

That said, if no one moves TO the American, it isn't going to last.

Even then, there are currently 32 football playing members in the 3 conferences. Unless if you can convince 4 independents to join (UConn, UMass, NMSU, Army?), and then make 3 neat blocks of 12 each:

Region 1
West - NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Rice, SMU, Texas State
East - North Texas, Tulsa, Arkansas State, Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Tulane

Region 2
West - Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, Memphis, MTSU, UAB, WKU
East - FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, USA, Troy, South Florida

Region 3
North - Army*, Navy*, UConn*, UMass, Temple, Old Dominion
South - App State, Charlotte, ECU, CCU, Marshall, Georgia State

Even then you still have one conference that stretches from Amherst to Atlanta.

You could have four conferences of eight teams but the days of conferences choosing to have eight are behind us
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RE: Regionalization concept to be presented Monday
(10-09-2021 07:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 06:11 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 01:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  My guess is Aresco will politely reject the offer and extend invites to schools in the AAC and/or Sun Belt.

There won't be many to choose from with the budget expectations of the AAC. Unless they are willing to make concessions.

You know----Ive never seen one unsourced tweet from a random Twitter account called "poop" be so embraced as a certain unassailable truth by the folks on this board. Plenty of serious reputable writers with real sources are chasing this story and not one has even so much as hinted at UTSA taking themselves out of play due to an unwillingness to commit to being financially competitive if they are invited.

That said---my question is "Why would you want a member who would balk at committing to be minimally competitive from a budget standpoint?" Thats literally the only athletic factor the administration at any school can actually guarantee. They cant guarantee a winning team. They cant gurantee that their ratings will be good. They cant guarantee their winning coach will stay. They cant gurantee their fans will show up. All they can do is guarantee they will commit to investing at a level that is at least competitive with the current lower end of the conference.

How did that comment have anything to do with UTSA? The low-end budgets of the AAC are in mid-$50 Million range. The only public school with a budget close to that is James Madison at $52 Million. 95% of all other Gang of 5 schools sit between $30-40 Million. Financing athletics is expensive for schools. It's a very real consideration for any candidate for a conference that is used to having members in the $50-80 Milliion per year range.
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(10-09-2021 07:16 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  You could have four conferences of eight teams but the days of conferences choosing to have eight are behind us
Mountain West and MAC already have 12, plus the NCAA's definition of a FBS conference requires 8 full members, which would be bad news for UConn, Army, and Navy.
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(10-09-2021 06:52 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  It is DOA. A 2 conf shuffle with CUSA and Belt makes sense. AAC will want no part of it.

AAC simply needs to add the 2 best available and call it a day.

If the best two available are both from CUSA, CUSA can stand pat at 12, the SBC can stand pat at 10FB+2Olympic, and then they can decide if they would rather reorganize.

If the AAC takes 3 from CUSA and one from SBC, the cat is amongst the pigeons.

Speculating on whether there is any specific reorganization depends so heavily on the actual specifics of the AAC raid, there is very little point in speculating before it is announced.
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(10-09-2021 08:02 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 06:52 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  It is DOA. A 2 conf shuffle with CUSA and Belt makes sense. AAC will want no part of it.

AAC simply needs to add the 2 best available and call it a day.

If the best two available are both from CUSA, CUSA can stand pat at 12, the SBC can stand pat at 10FB+2Olympic, and then they can decide if they would rather reorganize.

If the AAC takes 3 from CUSA and one from SBC, the cat is amongst the pigeons.

Speculating on whether there is any specific reorganization depends so heavily on the actual specifics of the AAC raid, there is very little point in speculating before it is announced.

Most likely scenario is the AAC takes 4 from CUSA, nothing from the Belt.
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The AAC isn't going to base its decision on regionalization

If the next round of expansion results in a more southwestern slant for the AAC, Temple, ECU and USF would be free to leave for an eastern based conference. I highly doubt any of them would want to
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The American will likely pull from both divisions of C-USA, which will only make the sprawl of C-USA seem worse. Taking Rice, UAB, FAU, and Marshall would sort of essentially be the biggest tweak of C-USA's nose that the AAC could pull off.
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(10-09-2021 03:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-09-2021 03:19 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  It will be the individual school presidents and athletic directors that will immediately understand the benefits. I could see Temple, ECU and USF putting a lot pressure on Aresco to fully vet this proposal before proposing any AAC specific expansion.

The ADs and presidents will be the most skeptical. Forget about which teams are “better” or “more worthy” than others; there are a few thousand comments elsewhere on this board to argue about that. Think about it as a pragmatic business decision, and use Temple/ECU/USF as an example since you mentioned them. It’s a proposed transaction, or trade. From their perspective this kind of realignment, among other things, would amount to trading away SMU and Memphis and getting ODU and Marshall in return. Can you convince Temple/ECU/USF that would be a good deal for them?

Those schools are all aspirational. Not seeing any of them buying this unless that changes.
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There are certainly details we don't have yet. CUSA has just as much a chance asking for a reshuffling with the SEC as they do the AAC.

Here are some potential features of whatever plan Delaney has up his sleeve:
1) Drop exit fees when there exists an invitation to another of the 3 conferences
2) Arrange their football conferences separate from Olympic Sports (so that sport no longer "drives" realignment)
3) Shared negotiation with TV partners, at least for their football
4) Shared flex dates for BBall (ya, like CUSA and SB do now)

The questions remain:
1) HOW do you best arrange the football product, and
2) CAN you get current AAC schools the same or better revenue stream?
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