Imagine being the 7th choice of the AAC and being absolutely thrilled about it, shows how far CUSA has fallen.

(10-09-2021 05:14 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:01 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 01:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 11:23 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 09:32 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  How is that even a question? How in the world do you think the SBC is better than this proposed AAC or any version of the AAC for that matter.

Way more TV money even after the upcoming pay cut.

Multi bid basketball league even after the big 3 leave.

Way better TV deal in terms of exposure, even after the upcoming cut.

Way better brand name recognition for the AAC teams.

Way better bowl tie ins.

Way better in all other sports as well.

Better average attendance in football and basketball.

Literally, every measure possible, the AAC is better.

Keep in mind that TV contract no longer exists. The league has to negotiate a new deal with ESPN. Meaning less TV games almost certainly

The contract still “exists”. The AAC doesn’t become free agents. The deal has a clause where it can be renegotiated. Will be interesting to see what happens with the deal, but it will be a negotiation with give and take each way. I wonder if there’s a mediation clause if the sides are way far apart?

The programs y’all are losing just happen to be “the face of the franchise”. All three of them are in major markets with tremendous brand value and recognition. Not to mention, they have been tremendous in football or basketball.

The Media contract WILL get renegotiated. I have heard all the way down to $2.8-$3.1M per team. That will also cover an escape clause if Memphis, or SMU leave.

Don’t forget, ESPN didn’t renegotiate the deal when UConn left. So if you think about it, this media deal was drawn up when Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, and UConn were all in the league. I can’t imagine ESPN not renegotiating.

Illustrates how much of the contract is rooted in football.

Or ESPN knew UT/OU was brewing and daydreaming of taking all or most of B12 into AAC.

(10-09-2021 05:36 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:26 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 12:44 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 12:36 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 11:23 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Keep in mind that TV contract no longer exists. The league has to negotiate a new deal with ESPN. Meaning less TV games almost certainly

Even if its cut in half its still the best G5 media deal.

Per normal, you are talking out your @$$ hoping you sound knowledgeable when we all know you’re not

So if it gets cut in half, that would make it $3.5 million per year. You don't think that's better than CUSA or the SBC? Per normal, you guys get upset when someone doesn't beat the drum about the SBC being the best G5 in the future.

You’re talking assumptions yet not taking into account how ESPN would renegotiate SBC tv contract as well. Like I said, talking out your @$$ to sound smart

The Sunbelt and MAC contracts are for number of content provided (games) period. As long as each conference has two teams playing on in the time periods that ESPN wants to fill then the contract is fulfilled. The MAC/ Sunbelt schools filling the ESPN warm up bowl games are also just to provide content while everyone waits on the big bowl games. They would not adjust contract if AppState or anyone else left to join the AAC.

(10-09-2021 05:37 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  To be fair he didn’t flat out say “done deals” but he did say at one point “he would be shocked if they didn’t go to the American” (and then stated how surprised he was they backed out).

This isn’t “a bomb” as he even says “well educated guess” (meaning he’s heard from of his sources 1-2 of these schools in play and is throwing out another two based on additional discussions)

Good for Marshall if they get an invite but I still can’t help but think AAC is gonn pull CUSA moves and focus on schools in big tv market cities

Semantics. I'll believe it when I see it.

(10-09-2021 05:37 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:26 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 12:44 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 12:36 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 11:23 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Keep in mind that TV contract no longer exists. The league has to negotiate a new deal with ESPN. Meaning less TV games almost certainly

Even if its cut in half its still the best G5 media deal.

Per normal, you are talking out your @$$ hoping you sound knowledgeable when we all know you’re not

So if it gets cut in half, that would make it $3.5 million per year. You don't think that's better than CUSA or the SBC? Per normal, you guys get upset when someone doesn't beat the drum about the SBC being the best G5 in the future.

You don’t have to beat the SBC drum. We are just tired of all the noise from all the other instruments you are playing… all the noise, noise, noise. You’ll bang on tong-tinglers, blow your foo-flounders, you'll crash on jang-jinglers, and bounce on boing-bounders! Then you’ll sit down to a feast, and you’ll feast feast, feast, feast! You'll eat CUSA pudding and rare AAC roast beast, which is something we cannot stand in the least.

This is a quality retort.

With all due respects from Mr. Brown, I don't think he has this right.

If he does, he has a better idea of what the AAC is going to do than Aresco does.

They wanted to go west....badly. They thought they had it. It blew up in their face.

Every source I've talked to said they didn't have a plan B.

And, I believe that. Smaller athletic budgets than the schools in the AAC are the reason they didn't invite schools from those leagues to begin with. They may wind up taking some, but they don't really want to. How's THAT for a conference.

When the western schools said no, it slowed this considerably. What I thought was just weeks away, I now believe is months away.

BUT

I will be interested to see if this CUSA total realignment proposal speeds up the process at all. Maybe the AAC and Sun Belt make a move just to quash any thoughts from CUSA.

(10-09-2021 01:09 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 10:07 AM)slycat Wrote:  If true, add USM and JMU and leave CUSA with 9.

Exactly. USM combined with the 4 Brown mentioned would take the legs out of CUSA. Taking JMU would remove the best call up on the market.

I'd MAYBE even consider adding ODU and WKU as well. That would put Troy in the West with the other Gulf State schools. Adding these two would be more about hoops than anything though.

If true, take USM and WKU, and if the Belt wants to go to 14, take JMU and ODU as a travel pair, leaving CUSA at 7 with no go FCS callops available.

(10-10-2021 09:19 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 01:09 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 10:07 AM)slycat Wrote:  If true, add USM and JMU and leave CUSA with 9.

Exactly. USM combined with the 4 Brown mentioned would take the legs out of CUSA. Taking JMU would remove the best call up on the market.

I'd MAYBE even consider adding ODU and WKU as well. That would put Troy in the West with the other Gulf State schools. Adding these two would be more about hoops than anything though.

If true, take USM and WKU, and if the Belt wants to go to 14, take JMU and ODU as a travel pair, leaving CUSA at 7 with no go FCS callops available.

There will always be call ups available. Starting with Jax St, and then just go to the schools the SBC flirted with in the last expansion. Who was it, Tenn Tech and Eastern Kentucky, Missouri St, everyone currently in the ASUN, anyone in the new WAC, plenty of schools looking to move up.

(10-10-2021 09:39 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:19 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 01:09 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 10:07 AM)slycat Wrote:  If true, add USM and JMU and leave CUSA with 9.

Exactly. USM combined with the 4 Brown mentioned would take the legs out of CUSA. Taking JMU would remove the best call up on the market.

I'd MAYBE even consider adding ODU and WKU as well. That would put Troy in the West with the other Gulf State schools. Adding these two would be more about hoops than anything though.

If true, take USM and WKU, and if the Belt wants to go to 14, take JMU and ODU as a travel pair, leaving CUSA at 7 with no go FCS callops available.

There will always be call ups available. Starting with Jax St, and then just go to the schools the SBC flirted with in the last expansion. Who was it, Tenn Tech and Eastern Kentucky, Missouri St, everyone currently in the ASUN, anyone in the new WAC, plenty of schools looking to move up.

If I remember right, we flirted with UT Chatanooga, EKU, and CCU. Liberty flirted heavily with us, but we didn't return their advances

(10-10-2021 09:43 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:39 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:19 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 01:09 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 10:07 AM)slycat Wrote:  If true, add USM and JMU and leave CUSA with 9.

Exactly. USM combined with the 4 Brown mentioned would take the legs out of CUSA. Taking JMU would remove the best call up on the market.

I'd MAYBE even consider adding ODU and WKU as well. That would put Troy in the West with the other Gulf State schools. Adding these two would be more about hoops than anything though.

If true, take USM and WKU, and if the Belt wants to go to 14, take JMU and ODU as a travel pair, leaving CUSA at 7 with no go FCS callops available.

There will always be call ups available. Starting with Jax St, and then just go to the schools the SBC flirted with in the last expansion. Who was it, Tenn Tech and Eastern Kentucky, Missouri St, everyone currently in the ASUN, anyone in the new WAC, plenty of schools looking to move up.

If I remember right, we flirted with UT Chatanooga, EKU, and CCU. Liberty flirted heavily with us, but we didn't return their advances

Just realized I wrote "go FCS callops" (whatever that means) instead of " no FCS call ups". Clearly everyone knew what I meant but now that it has been replied multiple times, even if I edited it, my shame will live on forever.

(10-09-2021 05:44 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Imagine being the 7th choice of the AAC and being absolutely thrilled about it, shows how far CUSA has fallen.

Imagine them going to their 7th choice and you still aren't on the list....OUCH!

(10-10-2021 10:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:44 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Imagine being the 7th choice of the AAC and being absolutely thrilled about it, shows how far CUSA has fallen.

Imagine then going to their 7th choice and you still aren't on the list....OUCH!

Difference in not being on the list because they don’t want you and not being there because they can’t get you. They can’t get most Sun Belt teams. They don’t want most CUSA teams.

(10-10-2021 11:11 AM)lelandhardy Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 10:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:44 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Imagine being the 7th choice of the AAC and being absolutely thrilled about it, shows how far CUSA has fallen.

Imagine then going to their 7th choice and you still aren't on the list....OUCH!

Difference in not being on the list because they don’t want you and not being there because they can’t get you. They can’t get most Sun Belt teams. They don’t want most CUSA teams.

LMAO...there's no way you really believe they couldn't get SBC teams if they wanted them.

(10-10-2021 11:14 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 11:11 AM)lelandhardy Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 10:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:44 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Imagine being the 7th choice of the AAC and being absolutely thrilled about it, shows how far CUSA has fallen.

Imagine then going to their 7th choice and you still aren't on the list....OUCH!

Difference in not being on the list because they don’t want you and not being there because they can’t get you. They can’t get most Sun Belt teams. They don’t want most CUSA teams.

LMAO...there's no way you really believe they couldn't get SBC teams if they wanted them.

It seems they cannot

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(10-10-2021 11:21 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 11:14 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 11:11 AM)lelandhardy Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 10:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:44 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Imagine being the 7th choice of the AAC and being absolutely thrilled about it, shows how far CUSA has fallen.

Imagine then going to their 7th choice and you still aren't on the list....OUCH!

Difference in not being on the list because they don’t want you and not being there because they can’t get you. They can’t get most Sun Belt teams. They don’t want most CUSA teams.

LMAO...there's no way you really believe they couldn't get SBC teams if they wanted them.

It seems they cannot

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It seems they aren't interested in SBC teams....BIG DIFFERENCE!

(10-10-2021 09:18 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  With all due respects from Mr. Brown, I don't think he has this right.

If he does, he has a better idea of what the AAC is going to do than Aresco does.

They wanted to go west....badly. They thought they had it. It blew up in their face.

Every source I've talked to said they didn't have a plan B.

And, I believe that. Smaller athletic budgets than the schools in the AAC are the reason they didn't invite schools from those leagues to begin with. They may wind up taking some, but they don't really want to. How's THAT for a conference.

When the western schools said no, it slowed this considerably. What I thought was just weeks away, I now believe is months away.

BUT

I will be interested to see if this CUSA total realignment proposal speeds up the process at all. Maybe the AAC and Sun Belt make a move just to quash any thoughts from CUSA.

I’m not sure what “How’s THAT for a conference” even means. Frankly, I suspect you are right to an extent. That sounds about right to me that there really is no plan B. Thats not due to a lack of planning——plan B WAS heavily vetted 2 years ago and no options available were capable of collecting enough votes for an invite. That’s why UConn was never replaced and that’s why the western move was the only plan with support right now. It’s also the only plan that could land schools with the brand, football quality, basketball quality, budget, and academics the presidents seemed to desire. If they didn’t go west, the best options available to them in the east only check a few boxes—but not all. Good at football—but don’t check the academic/market/basketball boxes. They check the academic and market boxes—but are horrid at football/basketball and have a small budget. Beyond UAB—Buffalo would be the only other option that checks many AAC boxes. Both seem to make sense—but neither is much of a TV draw and for both—-success is a pretty recent development that may or may not be sustained.

Which is why all the current “go big” rumors sound off key to me. If that group of presidents could not find one school a super majority could agree on from the available replacement pool in the 2 years since UConn left—-it seems fairly unlikely they will find 4 to 6 in that same eastern replacement pool that now suddenly have a supermajority of support. It would seem more likely they take UAB and maybe one other and call it a day.

(10-10-2021 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:18 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  With all due respects from Mr. Brown, I don't think he has this right.

If he does, he has a better idea of what the AAC is going to do than Aresco does.

They wanted to go west....badly. They thought they had it. It blew up in their face.

Every source I've talked to said they didn't have a plan B.

And, I believe that. Smaller athletic budgets than the schools in the AAC are the reason they didn't invite schools from those leagues to begin with. They may wind up taking some, but they don't really want to. How's THAT for a conference.

When the western schools said no, it slowed this considerably. What I thought was just weeks away, I now believe is months away.

BUT

I will be interested to see if this CUSA total realignment proposal speeds up the process at all. Maybe the AAC and Sun Belt make a move just to quash any thoughts from CUSA.

I’m not sure what “How’s THAT for a conference” even means. Frankly, I suspect you are right to an extent. That sounds about right to me that there really is no plan B. Thats not due to a lack of planning——plan B WAS heavily vetted 2 years ago and no options available were capable of collecting enough votes for an invite. That’s why UConn was never replaced and that’s why the western move was the only plan with support right now. It’s also the only plan that could land schools with the brand, football quality, basketball quality, budget, and academics the presidents seemed to desire. If they didn’t go west, the best options available to them in the east only check a few boxes—but not all. Good at football—but don’t check the academic/market/basketball boxes. They check the academic and market boxes—but are horrid at football/basketball and have a small budget. Beyond UAB—Buffalo would be the only other option that checks many AAC boxes. Both seem to make sense—but neither is much of a TV draw and for both—-success is a pretty recent development that may or may not be sustained.

Which is why all the current “go big” rumors sound off key to me. If that group of presidents you could not find one school a super majority could agree on from the available replacement pool in the 2 years since UConn left—-it seems fairly unlikely they will find 4 to 6 in that same eastern replacement pool that now suddenly have a supermajority of support. It would seem more likely they take UAB and maybe one other and call it a day.

I could almost see either GaSt or UNCC being the second to go with UAb. Both have the students numbers that would make it easy to increase the athletic budget. Also, I’m both those towns there will be alumni to every other school in the conference, large hub airports so easy to get to and both have had decent basketball runs.

App St broke the Marshall program a couple weeks ago look at their recent results which have led to one of their fans have a nervous breakdown.

(10-10-2021 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:18 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  With all due respects from Mr. Brown, I don't think he has this right.

If he does, he has a better idea of what the AAC is going to do than Aresco does.

They wanted to go west....badly. They thought they had it. It blew up in their face.

Every source I've talked to said they didn't have a plan B.

And, I believe that. Smaller athletic budgets than the schools in the AAC are the reason they didn't invite schools from those leagues to begin with. They may wind up taking some, but they don't really want to. How's THAT for a conference.

When the western schools said no, it slowed this considerably. What I thought was just weeks away, I now believe is months away.

BUT

I will be interested to see if this CUSA total realignment proposal speeds up the process at all. Maybe the AAC and Sun Belt make a move just to quash any thoughts from CUSA.

I’m not sure what “How’s THAT for a conference” even means. Frankly, I suspect you are right to an extent. That sounds about right to me that there really is no plan B. Thats not due to a lack of planning——plan B WAS heavily vetted 2 years ago and no options available were capable of collecting enough votes for an invite. That’s why UConn was never replaced and that’s why the western move was the only plan with support right now. It’s also the only plan that could land schools with the brand, football quality, basketball quality, budget, and academics the presidents seemed to desire. If they didn’t go west, the best options available to them in the east only check a few boxes—but not all. Good at football—but don’t check the academic/market/basketball boxes. They check the academic and market boxes—but are horrid at football/basketball and have a small budget. Beyond UAB—Buffalo would be the only other option that checks many AAC boxes. Both seem to make sense—but neither is much of a TV draw and for both—-success is a pretty recent development that may or may not be sustained.

Which is why all the current “go big” rumors sound off key to me. If that group of presidents could not find one school a super majority could agree on from the available replacement pool in the 2 years since UConn left—-it seems fairly unlikely they will find 4 to 6 in that same eastern replacement pool that now suddenly have a supermajority of support. It would seem more likely they take UAB and maybe one other and call it a day.

Go big if it happens I believe is a clear sign of panic.

The smart play is stick with what makes sense.

AAC needs to grab two schools that fit well enough and see what happens.
If true they have had UAB heavily considered go there. Not an awesome market but serious academics. Buffalo an AAC, Rice, etc.

Just take two and project strength.

(10-10-2021 03:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:18 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  With all due respects from Mr. Brown, I don't think he has this right.

If he does, he has a better idea of what the AAC is going to do than Aresco does.

They wanted to go west....badly. They thought they had it. It blew up in their face.

Every source I've talked to said they didn't have a plan B.

And, I believe that. Smaller athletic budgets than the schools in the AAC are the reason they didn't invite schools from those leagues to begin with. They may wind up taking some, but they don't really want to. How's THAT for a conference.

When the western schools said no, it slowed this considerably. What I thought was just weeks away, I now believe is months away.

BUT

I will be interested to see if this CUSA total realignment proposal speeds up the process at all. Maybe the AAC and Sun Belt make a move just to quash any thoughts from CUSA.

I’m not sure what “How’s THAT for a conference” even means. Frankly, I suspect you are right to an extent. That sounds about right to me that there really is no plan B. Thats not due to a lack of planning——plan B WAS heavily vetted 2 years ago and no options available were capable of collecting enough votes for an invite. That’s why UConn was never replaced and that’s why the western move was the only plan with support right now. It’s also the only plan that could land schools with the brand, football quality, basketball quality, budget, and academics the presidents seemed to desire. If they didn’t go west, the best options available to them in the east only check a few boxes—but not all. Good at football—but don’t check the academic/market/basketball boxes. They check the academic and market boxes—but are horrid at football/basketball and have a small budget. Beyond UAB—Buffalo would be the only other option that checks many AAC boxes. Both seem to make sense—but neither is much of a TV draw and for both—-success is a pretty recent development that may or may not be sustained.

Which is why all the current “go big” rumors sound off key to me. If that group of presidents could not find one school a super majority could agree on from the available replacement pool in the 2 years since UConn left—-it seems fairly unlikely they will find 4 to 6 in that same eastern replacement pool that now suddenly have a supermajority of support. It would seem more likely they take UAB and maybe one other and call it a day.

Go big if it happens I believe is a clear sign of panic.

The smart play is stick with what makes sense.

AAC needs to grab two schools that fit well enough and see what happens.
If true they have had UAB heavily considered go there. Not an awesome market but serious academics. Buffalo an AAC, Rice, etc.

Just take two and project strength.

I think you have a point. Best I can tell, going big is--at its heart---essentially a defensive play. Prevent the Sunbelt or MW from getting any targets that might help them improve in football. Truthfully---the Sunbelt has the easiest road forward. Their strategy is simplistic and is not multi-tiered. Its football football football.

The Sunbelt knows 80% of the tv deal comes from football and conference relevance comes from being in the access bowl/CFP chase. So, the Sunbelt has gone all in on football---which makes expansion decisions pretty darn easy. lol---are you really good at football and in our footprint? Yes? Well---c'mon down!

The AAC has all private/public, academic, basketball, market/rural concerns that muddy the water. If they were like the Sunbelt---the AAC would take 4 from a group of UAB, AppSt, LaTech, FAU, Buffalo, Toledo, ULL---and then step away from the buffet table with a rejuvenated football lineup. Eazy-peazy. Instead---50 other factors will need to be considered that somehow make Charlotte a viable finalist candidate at the other end of the funnel.