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RE: How would USC fair as a football independent?
(10-10-2021 11:46 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2021/06...n-decline/

story dated June, 2021 -- some of the highlights from the story

Low birth rates, uncertainty over immigration and long-term impacts from COVID-19 will result in a year-over-year population decline in Southern California for the first time ever, researchers said in the first of a two-part demographic conference sponsored by the Southern California Association of Governments and USC.

For decades, Southern California has ranked among the most vibrant population centers in the United States, climbing above 19 million. However, the rate of growth has slowed throughout the 2010s as declining fertility rates, the housing crisis and other factors have resulted in a gradually aging – – and less mobile — population base.

According to projections released Tuesday, the fastest-growing segment of the population will be mature retirees, ages 75-84, followed by young retirees (65-74) and seniors (85 and older). Meanwhile, there will actually be a decline in college-age young adults and preschool-age children. Also, the ratio of working-age adults to retirement-age adults — which once stood at six to one — has fallen below four to one, according to the workshop projections.

Compounding all of this is the pandemic, which led to an increase in mortality rates, a further decrease in birth rates and virtually halted foreign immigration into California. As a result, 2020 saw the first year-over-year drop in overall population.

This will be partially mitigated by the recent zoning reform. As of September, you can turn every single family home in California into a quadplex.
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RE: How would USC fair as a football independent?
Leave the PAC-12 and then turn around and schedule 6 annual opponents from the PAC? What's the point?

A much better idea is for the PAC to scrap their divisions, reduce the number of conference games to 8, and restructure their conference schedule to have 5 permanent rivals and play the other 6 opponents 50% of the time. Then USC can still Notre Dame every year, and play 2 other Big Alliance teams every year.

This is not dramatically different from the independent schedule you proposed and USC does not have to give up the chance to play for a conference championship.
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(10-10-2021 12:14 PM)goofus Wrote:  Leave the PAC-12 and then turn around and schedule 6 annual opponents from the PAC? What's the point?

A much better idea is for the PAC to scrap their divisions, reduce the number of conference games to 8, and restructure their conference schedule to have 5 permanent rivals and play the other 6 opponents 50% of the time. Then USC can still Notre Dame every year, and play 2 other Big Alliance teams every year.

This is not dramatically different from the independent schedule you proposed and USC does not have to give up the chance to play for a conference championship.

But what about the revenue gap? USC subsidizes the rest of the PAC 12 in media dollars, which puts the Trojans behind the other blue bloods
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(10-10-2021 04:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 12:14 PM)goofus Wrote:  Leave the PAC-12 and then turn around and schedule 6 annual opponents from the PAC? What's the point?

A much better idea is for the PAC to scrap their divisions, reduce the number of conference games to 8, and restructure their conference schedule to have 5 permanent rivals and play the other 6 opponents 50% of the time. Then USC can still Notre Dame every year, and play 2 other Big Alliance teams every year.

This is not dramatically different from the independent schedule you proposed and USC does not have to give up the chance to play for a conference championship.

But what about the revenue gap? USC subsidizes the rest of the PAC 12 in media dollars, which puts the Trojans behind the other blue bloods

But the subsidy is not as big as it would appear just be looking at their individual media values, because USC playing one of the other traditional PAC-8 schools is going to attract more interest in the PTZ than playing a set of schools of similar individual rating appeal but without the history.
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(10-09-2021 09:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The continuous underrating of the Pac-12 in conference realignment matters is sooooooo tiresome (and I’m not even a Pac-12 fan). USC, Stanford and the rest of the Pac-12 schools are exactly where they should be for conference purposes.

Well, so were Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M. And Arkansas would have been better off in the Big 12.
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RE: How would USC fair as a football independent?
(10-10-2021 11:53 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 11:46 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2021/06...n-decline/

story dated June, 2021 -- some of the highlights from the story

Low birth rates, uncertainty over immigration and long-term impacts from COVID-19 will result in a year-over-year population decline in Southern California for the first time ever, researchers said in the first of a two-part demographic conference sponsored by the Southern California Association of Governments and USC.

For decades, Southern California has ranked among the most vibrant population centers in the United States, climbing above 19 million. However, the rate of growth has slowed throughout the 2010s as declining fertility rates, the housing crisis and other factors have resulted in a gradually aging – – and less mobile — population base.

According to projections released Tuesday, the fastest-growing segment of the population will be mature retirees, ages 75-84, followed by young retirees (65-74) and seniors (85 and older). Meanwhile, there will actually be a decline in college-age young adults and preschool-age children. Also, the ratio of working-age adults to retirement-age adults — which once stood at six to one — has fallen below four to one, according to the workshop projections.

Compounding all of this is the pandemic, which led to an increase in mortality rates, a further decrease in birth rates and virtually halted foreign immigration into California. As a result, 2020 saw the first year-over-year drop in overall population.

This will be partially mitigated by the recent zoning reform. As of September, you can turn every single family home in California into a quadplex.

I lived in Southern California from 1977 to 1986. Granted, that was a long time ago, but when I went to high school there, we lived in a neighborhood that was entirely consisting of single family homes (I guess?) that were converted into fourplexes.

This was in Huntington Beach around 1980 or so. So perhaps it used to be zoned that way but changed after I moved to Houston?
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RE: How would USC fair as a football independent?
(10-10-2021 04:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 12:14 PM)goofus Wrote:  Leave the PAC-12 and then turn around and schedule 6 annual opponents from the PAC? What's the point?

A much better idea is for the PAC to scrap their divisions, reduce the number of conference games to 8, and restructure their conference schedule to have 5 permanent rivals and play the other 6 opponents 50% of the time. Then USC can still Notre Dame every year, and play 2 other Big Alliance teams every year.

This is not dramatically different from the independent schedule you proposed and USC does not have to give up the chance to play for a conference championship.

But what about the revenue gap? USC subsidizes the rest of the PAC 12 in media dollars, which puts the Trojans behind the other blue bloods

USC was an embarrassment against Utah.
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RE: How would USC fair as a football independent?
(10-10-2021 11:16 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 09:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 01:53 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  USC has so many natural advantages over the competition nationwide its truly amazing. California HSs produce the third highest amount of talent that plays on Sundays. The talent in that state is phenomenal. The weather in southern Cali alone is attractive for those from out of state. Cali isn't ridiculously humid like the south east is. Now look at the potential impact of NIL, California is the third largest economy in the world. California is one of two states that can stand alone as independent countries and thrive, but that's for another board. USC's tradition and branding is as rich as any other school in the country. USC is literally a coach away from being what Alabama is today. If they fail to do so in the coming 5-10 years; it's on them, not the PAC 12.

They don't have as many natural advantages as you think. The state of California is drastically changing, and for sure the inner-city Los Angeles is not what it used to be 30-40 years ago. Their stadium (Memorial Stadium) is an old dinosaur, although they probably could play their games at the new SoFi Stadium if they want an upgrade there. And even the LA weather isn't what it used to be. It's turning more into a desert-like climate (think Palm Springs), but with a ton of smog built in. You pretty much have to be on the coast to get the idyllic Southern California weather.

If you disagree with me, then how do you explain the Southern California population decline? People are moving to Colorado, Montana and Texas in droves.

People are thinking too hard about this.

The Pete Carroll USC teams had greatest recruiting pitch that you could ever hope for: you could compete for national championships in great weather with A-list celebrities on the sidelines (a la courtside at a Lakers game) and you’d be the BMOC where the campus is freaking Hollywood.

Could you imagine how much money Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush would have made in the NIL era? It’s on a completely different level when you’re able to achieve that in Los Angeles.

Why did Lori Laughlin bribe people to get her daughter into USC? Because you get exponentially more social media “Insta-famous” opportunities at USC that don’t exist at Arizona State. Isn’t that what NIL is largely going to come down to: getting paid for being Insta-famous? There’s no better place in the country to do that compared to USC.

Imagine where your NIL compensation isn’t about promoting a local college town movie theater, but where you’re getting paid by the movie studio to post on Twitter and Instagram about a new movie and then go to the movie premiere. Imagine where you’re getting paid to promote a concert or album for music acts all of us have actually heard of instead of the local band. Imagine an NIL world where the campus is down the street from where all of the major sports agencies are now located. (Note that the entertainment and sports agencies have all largely consolidated to be based in LA.)

We should all fear the day that USC figures it out. They always had a natural advantage by simply being the Hollywood team in world where every kid is obsessed with pop culture, but they can now even cash in on it with NIL. This isn’t like trying to convince a top recruit to go to Nebraska. It doesn’t take much to get top players to go to a winning team that’s located in Los Angeles.

I would say you are right to an certain extent, but there's some kids out there who just don't want that. Some of them would prefer to play where they feel comfortable. I remember reading an article about a Notre Dame player who went on a recruiting trip to UCLA, and had an intimidating visit from the police while he was there even though he was obeying the laws ( some of the UCLA hosts though, were not, and they were the ones that LA's police department were after). That experience soured the Notre Dame recruit on LA. He took his trip to Notre Dame and loved it, and, of course, signed with them. USC tried to get him to take a visit to their campus, but he refused because of his bad UCLA experience.
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RE: How would USC fair as a football independent?
(10-10-2021 11:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
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(10-10-2021 01:53 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  USC has so many natural advantages over the competition nationwide its truly amazing. California HSs produce the third highest amount of talent that plays on Sundays. The talent in that state is phenomenal. The weather in southern Cali alone is attractive for those from out of state. Cali isn't ridiculously humid like the south east is. Now look at the potential impact of NIL, California is the third largest economy in the world. California is one of two states that can stand alone as independent countries and thrive, but that's for another board. USC's tradition and branding is as rich as any other school in the country. USC is literally a coach away from being what Alabama is today. If they fail to do so in the coming 5-10 years; it's on them, not the PAC 12.

They don't have as many natural advantages as you think. The state of California is drastically changing, and for sure the inner-city Los Angeles is not what it used to be 30-40 years ago. Their stadium (Memorial Stadium) is an old dinosaur, although they probably could play their games at the new SoFi Stadium if they want an upgrade there. And even the LA weather isn't what it used to be. It's turning more into a desert-like climate (think Palm Springs), but with a ton of smog built in. You pretty much have to be on the coast to get the idyllic Southern California weather.

If you disagree with me, then how do you explain the Southern California population decline? People are moving to Colorado, Montana and Texas in droves.

People are thinking too hard about this.

The Pete Carroll USC teams had greatest recruiting pitch that you could ever hope for: you could compete for national championships in great weather with A-list celebrities on the sidelines (a la courtside at a Lakers game) and you’d be the BMOC where the campus is freaking Hollywood.

Could you imagine how much money Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush would have made in the NIL era? It’s on a completely different level when you’re able to achieve that in Los Angeles.

Why did Lori Laughlin bribe people to get her daughter into USC? Because you get exponentially more social media “Insta-famous” opportunities at USC that don’t exist at Arizona State. Isn’t that what NIL is largely going to come down to: getting paid for being Insta-famous? There’s no better place in the country to do that compared to USC.

Imagine where your NIL compensation isn’t about promoting a local college town movie theater, but where you’re getting paid by the movie studio to post on Twitter and Instagram about a new movie and then go to the movie premiere. Imagine where you’re getting paid to promote a concert or album for music acts all of us have actually heard of instead of the local band. Imagine an NIL world where the campus is down the street from where all of the major sports agencies are now located. (Note that the entertainment and sports agencies have all largely consolidated to be based in LA.)

We should all fear the day that USC figures it out. They always had a natural advantage by simply being the Hollywood team in world where every kid is obsessed with pop culture, but they can now even cash in on it with NIL. This isn’t like trying to convince a top recruit to go to Nebraska. It doesn’t take much to get top players to go to a winning team that’s located in Los Angeles.

I would say you are right to an certain extent, but there's some kids out there who just don't want that. Some of them would prefer to play where they feel comfortable. I remember reading an article about a Notre Dame player who went on a recruiting trip to UCLA, and had an intimidating visit from the police while he was there even though he was obeying the laws ( some of the UCLA hosts though, were not, and they were the ones that LA's police department were after). That experience soured the Notre Dame recruit on LA. He took his trip to Notre Dame and loved it, and, of course, signed with them. USC tried to get him to take a visit to their campus, but he refused because of his bad UCLA experience.

Well - sure. Everyone is different and has their own individual needs, wants and comfort levels. It’s no different than someone feeling more comfortable in Tuscaloosa compared to Columbus or vice versa. No one place is going to please 100% of the people 100% of the time.

However, I’m just speaking in generalities. As a *general* matter, USC (and UCLA, for that matter) are going to have a special attraction and allure of glamour and fame that other colleges won’t ever have. Not every kid may prioritize that, but I’m not exactly going out on a limb that most kids that are top recruits would find it to be a positive instead of a negative. Generally speaking, NIL compensation is going to be important to most kids, too, and the potential for the Los Angeles schools on that front is on another level. (Whether they ever meet that potential is another story.)

I think we’re in a “What have you done for me lately?” cycle where USC is underperforming currently. However, there are attributes about USC, such as its location combined with history and brand, that will never change and it means that they are legitimately always just one good coach away from being a dominant force again. People like saying that about a lot of places, but USC is a place where that’s legitimately true. A playoff-contending USC program was a recruiting monster even without NIL compensation, so just imagine what it will be like when they finally get their act together.
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(10-11-2021 01:12 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 11:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 11:16 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 09:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 01:53 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  USC has so many natural advantages over the competition nationwide its truly amazing. California HSs produce the third highest amount of talent that plays on Sundays. The talent in that state is phenomenal. The weather in southern Cali alone is attractive for those from out of state. Cali isn't ridiculously humid like the south east is. Now look at the potential impact of NIL, California is the third largest economy in the world. California is one of two states that can stand alone as independent countries and thrive, but that's for another board. USC's tradition and branding is as rich as any other school in the country. USC is literally a coach away from being what Alabama is today. If they fail to do so in the coming 5-10 years; it's on them, not the PAC 12.

They don't have as many natural advantages as you think. The state of California is drastically changing, and for sure the inner-city Los Angeles is not what it used to be 30-40 years ago. Their stadium (Memorial Stadium) is an old dinosaur, although they probably could play their games at the new SoFi Stadium if they want an upgrade there. And even the LA weather isn't what it used to be. It's turning more into a desert-like climate (think Palm Springs), but with a ton of smog built in. You pretty much have to be on the coast to get the idyllic Southern California weather.

If you disagree with me, then how do you explain the Southern California population decline? People are moving to Colorado, Montana and Texas in droves.

People are thinking too hard about this.

The Pete Carroll USC teams had greatest recruiting pitch that you could ever hope for: you could compete for national championships in great weather with A-list celebrities on the sidelines (a la courtside at a Lakers game) and you’d be the BMOC where the campus is freaking Hollywood.

Could you imagine how much money Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush would have made in the NIL era? It’s on a completely different level when you’re able to achieve that in Los Angeles.

Why did Lori Laughlin bribe people to get her daughter into USC? Because you get exponentially more social media “Insta-famous” opportunities at USC that don’t exist at Arizona State. Isn’t that what NIL is largely going to come down to: getting paid for being Insta-famous? There’s no better place in the country to do that compared to USC.

Imagine where your NIL compensation isn’t about promoting a local college town movie theater, but where you’re getting paid by the movie studio to post on Twitter and Instagram about a new movie and then go to the movie premiere. Imagine where you’re getting paid to promote a concert or album for music acts all of us have actually heard of instead of the local band. Imagine an NIL world where the campus is down the street from where all of the major sports agencies are now located. (Note that the entertainment and sports agencies have all largely consolidated to be based in LA.)

We should all fear the day that USC figures it out. They always had a natural advantage by simply being the Hollywood team in world where every kid is obsessed with pop culture, but they can now even cash in on it with NIL. This isn’t like trying to convince a top recruit to go to Nebraska. It doesn’t take much to get top players to go to a winning team that’s located in Los Angeles.

I would say you are right to an certain extent, but there's some kids out there who just don't want that. Some of them would prefer to play where they feel comfortable. I remember reading an article about a Notre Dame player who went on a recruiting trip to UCLA, and had an intimidating visit from the police while he was there even though he was obeying the laws ( some of the UCLA hosts though, were not, and they were the ones that LA's police department were after). That experience soured the Notre Dame recruit on LA. He took his trip to Notre Dame and loved it, and, of course, signed with them. USC tried to get him to take a visit to their campus, but he refused because of his bad UCLA experience.

Well - sure. Everyone is different and has their own individual needs, wants and comfort levels. It’s no different than someone feeling more comfortable in Tuscaloosa compared to Columbus or vice versa. No one place is going to please 100% of the people 100% of the time.

However, I’m just speaking in generalities. As a *general* matter, USC (and UCLA, for that matter) are going to have a special attraction and allure of glamour and fame that other colleges won’t ever have. Not every kid may prioritize that, but I’m not exactly going out on a limb that most kids that are top recruits would find it to be a positive instead of a negative. Generally speaking, NIL compensation is going to be important to most kids, too, and the potential for the Los Angeles schools on that front is on another level. (Whether they ever meet that potential is another story.)

I think we’re in a “What have you done for me lately?” cycle where USC is underperforming currently. However, there are attributes about USC, such as its location combined with history and brand, that will never change and it means that they are legitimately always just one good coach away from being a dominant force again. People like saying that about a lot of places, but USC is a place where that’s legitimately true. A playoff-contending USC program was a recruiting monster even without NIL compensation, so just imagine what it will be like when they finally get their act together.

This is all silly talk about California and USC.

All programs have peaks and valleys. USC has (happily for me) been in a valley for a while.

They will, like all blue bloods, finally hire the right coach.

(John Blake, Ty Willingham and Mike Shula all say hello)

Then, me and the rest of us will forget (and long for) those far off days when the Trojans sucked.

I, for one, wish that they had given Clay Helton a 25 year contract.
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(10-10-2021 09:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 01:53 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  USC has so many natural advantages over the competition nationwide its truly amazing. California HSs produce the third highest amount of talent that plays on Sundays. The talent in that state is phenomenal. The weather in southern Cali alone is attractive for those from out of state. Cali isn't ridiculously humid like the south east is. Now look at the potential impact of NIL, California is the third largest economy in the world. California is one of two states that can stand alone as independent countries and thrive, but that's for another board. USC's tradition and branding is as rich as any other school in the country. USC is literally a coach away from being what Alabama is today. If they fail to do so in the coming 5-10 years; it's on them, not the PAC 12.

They don't have as many natural advantages as you think. The state of California is drastically changing, and for sure the inner-city Los Angeles is not what it used to be 30-40 years ago. Their stadium (Memorial Stadium) is an old dinosaur, although they probably could play their games at the new SoFi Stadium if they want an upgrade there. And even the LA weather isn't what it used to be. It's turning more into a desert-like climate (think Palm Springs), but with a ton of smog built in. You pretty much have to be on the coast to get the idyllic Southern California weather.

If you disagree with me, then how do you explain the Southern California population decline? People are moving to Colorado, Montana and Texas in droves.

Really? From 2010 to 2020, the California population increased from 37.2 million to 39.5 million, a 6.1% increase. The LA Coliseum just recently completed a $315 million renovation and the place looks like new inside. The Coliseum will host the 2028 Summer Olympics. It is getting hotter all throughout the western part of the United States, but that is not year round. That is the summer months. Today where I live in the Inland Empire (Riverside area) we will have a high temperature of 72 and a low 46. Santa Monica will have a high temp of 69 and a low of 52.

The inner city is much improved. The subway system and light rail sysytem has really helped. By 2027, the purple subway extension will run all the way to UCLA. Downtown LA is much better than it used to be. Smog is a lot better than when I first moved out here in 1979, yet it is still a problem and it will always be a problem. Southern California has these unique overhead inversions that trap pollutants that rise from the ground below. The only hope for the region is to limit the pollutants that pour into the atmosphere, so that is why the enviromental laws here are so strict.

The high cost of housing is the single biggest problem that California has and that is the primary reason people leave. LA real estate is very expensive and there is not enough land to build new housing. There is home building going on all over the Inland Empire, but new homes start at about $500,000. That is somewhat expensive. Plus, we need more affordable rentals.

California is the 5th largest economy in the world. No reason to believe that is going to change. The Port of Los Angeles is the largest port in North America. The agriculture industry is the largest in the country. Technology, finance, health care, education. California will be just fine in the future.
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(10-11-2021 12:41 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 09:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 01:53 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  USC has so many natural advantages over the competition nationwide its truly amazing. California HSs produce the third highest amount of talent that plays on Sundays. The talent in that state is phenomenal. The weather in southern Cali alone is attractive for those from out of state. Cali isn't ridiculously humid like the south east is. Now look at the potential impact of NIL, California is the third largest economy in the world. California is one of two states that can stand alone as independent countries and thrive, but that's for another board. USC's tradition and branding is as rich as any other school in the country. USC is literally a coach away from being what Alabama is today. If they fail to do so in the coming 5-10 years; it's on them, not the PAC 12.

They don't have as many natural advantages as you think. The state of California is drastically changing, and for sure the inner-city Los Angeles is not what it used to be 30-40 years ago. Their stadium (Memorial Stadium) is an old dinosaur, although they probably could play their games at the new SoFi Stadium if they want an upgrade there. And even the LA weather isn't what it used to be. It's turning more into a desert-like climate (think Palm Springs), but with a ton of smog built in. You pretty much have to be on the coast to get the idyllic Southern California weather.

If you disagree with me, then how do you explain the Southern California population decline? People are moving to Colorado, Montana and Texas in droves.

Really? From 2010 to 2020, the California population increased from 37.2 million to 39.5 million, a 6.1% increase. The LA Coliseum just recently completed a $315 million renovation and the place looks like new inside. The Coliseum will host the 2028 Summer Olympics. It is getting hotter all throughout the western part of the United States, but that is not year round. That is the summer months. Today where I live in the Inland Empire (Riverside area) we will have a high temperature of 72 and a low 46. Santa Monica will have a high temp of 69 and a low of 52.

The inner city is much improved. The subway system and light rail sysytem has really helped. By 2027, the purple subway extension will run all the way to UCLA. Downtown LA is much better than it used to be. Smog is a lot better than when I first moved out here in 1979, yet it is still a problem and it will always be a problem. Southern California has these unique overhead inversions that trap pollutants that rise from the ground below. The only hope for the region is to limit the pollutants that pour into the atmosphere, so that is why the enviromental laws here are so strict.

The high cost of housing is the single biggest problem that California has and that is the primary reason people leave. LA real estate is very expensive and there is not enough land to build new housing. There is home building going on all over the Inland Empire, but new homes start at about $500,000. That is somewhat expensive. Plus, we need more affordable rentals.

California is the 5th largest economy in the world. No reason to believe that is going to change. The Port of Los Angeles is the largest port in North America. The agriculture industry is the largest in the country. Technology, finance, health care, education. California will be just fine in the future.

Well put. Lots of folks want to criticized California for various reasons (some political, some due to jealously, etc.). The state will be fine.
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RE: How would USC fair as a football independent?
(10-10-2021 04:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  But what about the revenue gap? USC subsidizes the rest of the PAC 12 in media dollars, which puts the Trojans behind the other blue bloods

You're always going to get paid more as a member of a conference than an Independent.

The key component of football independence that everyone over looks when it comes to "Team value" thrown out by those reporting on TV contracts:

In a conference, you are paid for all your conference games, home and road, and home non-conference games
As an independent, you are paid for all ONLY your home games, and not for your road games



Notre Dame is probably leaving money on the table as an independent, they just don't care because independence is part of their identity and they don't want to give that up.

BYU was leaving money on the table being an independent, they did not care because they have plenty of money and were using sports on BYU-TV as part of their evangelical efforts; and that's more important to them than schedule stability the MWC could provide.

Army is leaving money on the table being an independent, they just don't care because they're funded by the Pentagon and taking their team around the country near military bases is more important to them than scheduling stability that the American could provide.


UMass is leaving FOOTBALL money on the table by not joining the MAC, but it's a calculated gamble for BASKETBALL MONEY. If they make the NCAA Tournament in basketball, the A-10's revenue sharing structure of "Keep 74% of what you earn, get 2% of A-10 units you don't earn" tilts the money in their favor, and they think full MAC membership would hurt basketball. They WOULD have left the A-10 for the AAC to replace UConn had they gotten that invite; but the MAC isn't worth it.

UConn is leaving FOOTBALL money on the table by leaving the American, but their BASKETBALL MONEY offsets it because they have the Big East deal, and a T2 TV deal with SNY for secondary football and WOMEN'S BASKETBALL. The AAC contract with ESPN eliminated T2 rights and that's why they left.

New Mexico State would join a conference if they could, they have no where to go. But the plan is that in 8 years, the WAC will sponsor FBS and they'll have a home.
Liberty would join a conference if they could, they have no where to go. But the plan is that in 8 years, the A-Sun will sponsor FBS and they'll have a home.
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(10-09-2021 10:43 PM)Crayton Wrote:  Slightly over-cooked deep-fried Oreo.
Next to the Chanticleers' pool.

No love for the homophone confusion? “Fare” is the correct term. The mnemonic device I use is that “Fare” is spelled similarly to “Fate” and both refer to similar concepts.
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