(11-21-2021 01:21 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 01:13 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Easy argument to make when you put 6-5 valley teams in

UNI went 3-4 their last 7 games. 2 of those 3 wins were against a 4-7 team and the other a 2-9 team.

Sent from my LM-V405 using Tapatalk

Well, they only put one 6-5 Valley team in, but they were 3-3 vs the field and beat Sac St handily OOC..No other At large beat 3 playoff teams, including a seed.

(11-21-2021 01:22 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  UNI is absolutley a head scratcher

Not at all. See above.

Just wait till the FCS bracket expands to 32, which is insane. You might end up with 0.500 or less teams some years.

ESPN said during the selection show MVFC and Big Sky want 32 teams in, guess they aren't happy until their whole conference gets in.

(11-21-2021 08:15 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Just wait till the FCS bracket expands to 32, which is insane. You might end up with 0.500 or less teams some years.

ESPN said during the selection show MVFC and Big Sky want 32 teams in, guess they aren't happy until their whole conference gets in.

The good news is a field of 32 shrinks to 16 in a single weekend. The cream will rise to the top. Nothing wrong with generating a little extra hype for the tourney and the game.

The team that really got screwed was EWU. EWU amd Montana both 9-2/6-2 with a I-A win.. EWU won the head to head over Montana, has a tougher SOS, is ranked higher in the polls, yet Montana is seeded, EWU isn’t, and would have to play @ Montana in the 2nd round.

The most egregious thing about this is that the CAA is touting us after disrespecting our athletes all season. I know CAA Football is a separate entity that has behaved more civil than the garbage CAA Sports, but they still have disrespected our athletes by not honoring them when they deserved to be recognized.
And now they want to brag on us like they were supportive all year long. F*** off CAA. Seriously... F*** OFF.

(11-21-2021 07:55 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  Can anyone offer any rational thought as to why a 6-5 UNI got in the playoffs? Aside from the usual MVC lovefest? Couple other schools are mighty pissed today I would think.

Brian

3-3 vs the field and beat Sac St handily OOC. No 7 win team that got left out has multiple wins vs playoff teams.

-7-4 EKU? 0-2 vs playoff teams.
-7-4 Monmouth? 0-2 vs playoff teams. Got destroyed by both Holy Cross and KSU.
-7-4/4-4 URI? 0-1 vs playoff teams (lost to VU 44-0).
-7-3 Mercer? 6-2 vs FCS, 0-1 vs playoff teams.

From the full scholly AQ conferences that’s it as far as 7 win teams that didn’t get in. So what other schools are pissed today?

Fairly accurate, except we will kick the smelly Bisons out of their own house again.... if the smellies make it that far.

(11-21-2021 10:51 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 07:55 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  Can anyone offer any rational thought as to why a 6-5 UNI got in the playoffs? Aside from the usual MVC lovefest? Couple other schools are mighty pissed today I would think.

Brian

3-3 vs the field and beat Sac St handily OOC. No 7 win team that got left out has multiple wins vs playoff teams.

-7-4 EKU? 0-2 vs playoff teams.
-7-4 Monmouth? 0-2 vs playoff teams. Got destroyed by both Holy Cross and KSU.
-7-4/4-4 URI? 0-1 vs playoff teams (lost to VU 44-0).
-7-3 Mercer? 6-2 vs FCS, 0-1 vs playoff teams.

From the full scholly AQ conferences that’s it as far as 7 win teams that didn’t get in. So what other schools are pissed today?

I'll bite. Mercer. And as you illustrate well, that's it. At least in the sense of having much of an argument beyond sure, everyone who gets kind of close is going to be disappointed. If it's unusual for the CAA to be a 2 bid league, it may be more unusual for the SoCon to be a 1 bid league. Turns out your 3 point loss on the last day of the season to your conference champion, who gets seeded, was a playoff game. You kind of wouldn't expect that to be the case with your 7-3 undisputed 2nd place SoCon season.

OK, that's the argument for them. You already set out the UNI argument. The Committee has a history of putting in 6-5 MVC teams with some good wins and tough losses. I think that VMI score looked particularly bad if you're down to picking between Mercer and UNI. You could put Fla A&M, Mercer, UNI and SFA in a hat and draw 3 names and get as good a result to justify as the one we got. The Committee may have dodged a bullet because a larger number of schools would have also been on this list if they'd won a winnable game on the last day of the season.

So, no massive injustice here. It's more just affirmation of why you want to play well enough that you aren't on the bubble. It would have been a worse look for the Committee if they'd put in UNI over a bunch more 7-4 teams, and we're not sure they wouldn't have, but they didn't. So, you can't really count that against them.

Soooo is the CAA a 1-2 bid league going forward?

(11-22-2021 08:21 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  Soooo is the CAA a 1-2 bid league going forward?

probably. but honestly, i personally won't care anymore.

i've loved our time in FCS and have a lot of fond memories of it.

but the Sun Belt is absolutely the right opportunity and the right time for us. Couldn't be more happy about how the last decade went for us and where our future lies.

I'll likely barely pay attention to the CAA. I will likely keep up with the playoffs when it gets to that time, but that's it.

The CAA is a one bid league going forward. The Socon treated App the same way the CAA has treated JMU. The schools and there petty jealousy pushed JMU to find greener pastures. They didn’t realize that having a school invest in athletics the way we have, pushed the rest of the league to be better. Now they all can enjoy mediocrity together.

It will be interesting to see what UR and W&M do. Will Elon go back to the Socon? Will W&M join them? I think the Socon is the best fit for both. UR may be left by itself as the only Virginia school in the CAA. If I am the Socon, I only accept full sports members.

(11-22-2021 08:34 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  The CAA is a one bid league going forward. The Socon treated App the same way the CAA has treated JMU. The schools and there petty jealousy pushed JMU to find greener pastures. They didn’t realize that having a school invest in athletics the way we have, pushed the rest of the league to be better. Now they all can enjoy mediocrity together.

It will be interesting to see what UR and W&M do. Will Elon go back to the Socon? Will W&M join them? I think the Socon is the best fit for both. UR may be left by itself as the only Virginia school in the CAA. If I am the Socon, I only accept full sports members.

UR and WM should both go to the patriot as their academic profiles align but I highly doubt that happens

CAA football just isn't as good as it was. It probably will be a one or two bid league going forward.

(11-22-2021 08:34 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  The CAA is a one bid league going forward. The Socon treated App the same way the CAA has treated JMU. The schools and there petty jealousy pushed JMU to find greener pastures. They didn’t realize that having a school invest in athletics the way we have, pushed the rest of the league to be better. Now they all can enjoy mediocrity together.

It will be interesting to see what UR and W&M do. Will Elon go back to the Socon? Will W&M join them? I think the Socon is the best fit for both. UR may be left by itself as the only Virginia school in the CAA. If I am the Socon, I only accept full sports members.

to be fair, most of the remaining schools in the CAA don't have the resources to push to our level. And they never will. because they are smaller/private/niche schools. Not a big public like JMU.

which is why leagues that survive and do well predominantly consist of schools with similar makeups. Leagues that have a mish mash all over the place, will ultimately be split apart.

the SB is great for JMU because it consists of 14 large public schools who can invest and hopefully continue to grow. the CAA is thinking of adding Hampton, Howard, Furman, Monmouth.....that's all you need to know to see the kind of makeup the league is heading toward.

(11-22-2021 08:37 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(11-22-2021 08:34 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  The CAA is a one bid league going forward. The Socon treated App the same way the CAA has treated JMU. The schools and there petty jealousy pushed JMU to find greener pastures. They didn’t realize that having a school invest in athletics the way we have, pushed the rest of the league to be better. Now they all can enjoy mediocrity together.

It will be interesting to see what UR and W&M do. Will Elon go back to the Socon? Will W&M join them? I think the Socon is the best fit for both. UR may be left by itself as the only Virginia school in the CAA. If I am the Socon, I only accept full sports members.

UR and WM should both go to the patriot as their academic profiles align but I highly doubt that happens

Socon takes football more seriously and W&M geographically fits better there. The schools are all in NC, SC, Ga, Va. and Tenn. The Patriot is a northern league. W&M would have to travel through DC for every away game their athletics plays. No one wants to do that especially a low major school. Plus W&M can renew there rivalry with VMI.

There is nothing to complain about in our seeding.

People say our loss was not as bad as NDSU, but more importantly - Who have we beaten of quality?

(11-22-2021 08:21 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  Soooo is the CAA a 1-2 bid league going forward?

Who knows? You could also look at it as if we're replaced by a below-average team, Elon would have gone 7-4/6-2 and likely gets in. Richmond & W&M were both just off the bubble teams - now they'd both be 7-4/5-3 and Richmond likely gets in due to head-to-head against W&M. So now you also have W&M sitting there at 7-4/5-3 with wins against two playoff teams (Nova and Elon) so they're in as well. Oops now Maine is 7-4/5-3 with wins against playoff W&M and an FBS team, they're in too. Rhode Island remains on the bubble at 7-4/4-4 but now 3 of its 4 losses were to playoff teams. Tough schedule! Oh and now Delaware is 6-5 /4-4 (same as where UNI finished) with wins against playoff W&M and Maine, losses to an FBS team, two playoff teams, and a bubble team (URI) so Delaware could be the last team in. BUT now URI has a playoff win in Delaware so now URI is definitely on the right side of the bubble and Delaware actually has 2 playoff wins and 3 playoff losses.

So you take out us, and Nova, Elon, Richmond, W&M, Maine, URI, and Delaware all end up in the playoffs! This is what the MVFC gets when the commissioner lets in all the MVFC teams and then says how they all deserve to be in because they all beat other playoff teams.

(11-22-2021 08:46 AM)Dukester Wrote:  There is nothing to complain about in our seeding.

People say our loss was not as bad as NDSU, but more importantly - Who have we beaten of quality?

I don't think it's as far off as you think. and there is absolutely a strong case to be made for us.

NDSU beat 3 teams with a winning record....Missouri State (8-3), No Iowa (6-5), South Dakota (7-4).....all of those games were at home.

we beat SIX......3 of them on the road. that's twice as many. And the average margin of victory for us in those games was quite high.....23 ppg average margin

all of these teams likely would have been in the playoffs if we had not beaten them:

Weber, Richmond, Elon, William & Mary, Maine

that's a lot of teams we basically bounced from the playoffs. .

not one single team outside those 3 that NDSU beat who are in the playoffs, would have made the playoffs if they had beaten the Bison.