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RE: Can UAB afford the AAC
(10-11-2021 04:29 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 10:37 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  First of all you have to make sure the AAC is worth joining. That sounds odd for me to say since I believe I was the 2nd person on here a couple of years ago to say that UAB would be joining the AAC.

What if the AAC loses Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, USF? Maybe even Temple if the Big 12 went to 16. Does an AAC look attractive with the leftovers consisting of ECU, Navy and Tulane?

Possible to the Big 12:
#13 Memphis
#14 USF
#15 Boise St
#16 Temple

Possible to the Mountain West who are interested in Central Time zone schools:
SMU
Tulsa

Right now it's hard to know. Hopefully we will know soon.

Not sure why you keep mentioning Temple because they have not been mentioned as a possible candidate for the Big 12. The people in the know with the Big 12 expansion discussions have clearly stated USF and SMU would be #15 and #16 if they decide to go to 16 teams. The holdup is the Big 12 waiting to see what the PAC 12 will get for their upcoming TV deal.

Not sure Tulsa would want to pay the AAC exit fees to leave for the MWC if it's not financially beneficial for them. SMU is going to stay in the AAC and wait to see what the Big 12 does.

Like I said, I do believe the AAC will be a former shell of itself in 5 years. And just like when CUSA 2.0 lost all of it's schools, the AAC will be looking at a similar fate. It's hard to fathom but at one point UAB use to get a couple of million dollars from the CUSA TV deal. How times have changed.

For now....

UAB needs to be doing everything in it's power to knock USF, SMU, or whoever out of one of these last slots in an expanded Big12.
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RE: Can UAB afford the AAC
(10-11-2021 04:59 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 04:29 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 10:37 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  First of all you have to make sure the AAC is worth joining. That sounds odd for me to say since I believe I was the 2nd person on here a couple of years ago to say that UAB would be joining the AAC.

What if the AAC loses Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, USF? Maybe even Temple if the Big 12 went to 16. Does an AAC look attractive with the leftovers consisting of ECU, Navy and Tulane?

Possible to the Big 12:
#13 Memphis
#14 USF
#15 Boise St
#16 Temple

Possible to the Mountain West who are interested in Central Time zone schools:
SMU
Tulsa

Right now it's hard to know. Hopefully we will know soon.

Not sure why you keep mentioning Temple because they have not been mentioned as a possible candidate for the Big 12. The people in the know with the Big 12 expansion discussions have clearly stated USF and SMU would be #15 and #16 if they decide to go to 16 teams. The holdup is the Big 12 waiting to see what the PAC 12 will get for their upcoming TV deal.

Not sure Tulsa would want to pay the AAC exit fees to leave for the MWC if it's not financially beneficial for them. SMU is going to stay in the AAC and wait to see what the Big 12 does.

Like I said, I do believe the AAC will be a former shell of itself in 5 years. And just like when CUSA 2.0 lost all of it's schools, the AAC will be looking at a similar fate. It's hard to fathom but at one point UAB use to get a couple of million dollars from the CUSA TV deal. How times have changed.

For now....

UAB needs to be doing everything in it's power to knock USF, SMU, or whoever out of one of these last slots in an expanded Big12.

Not sure how much time UAB has to do that but it would certainly help if they became more competitive in national prominent games.

2022
09/10 - at Liberty
09/17 - Georgia Southern
11/19 - at LSU

2023
09/09 - at Georgia Southern
09/16 - Louisiana
09/23 - at Georgia

2024
09/07 - at ULM
09/14 - at Arkansas
11/09 - UConn
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RE: Can UAB afford the AAC
(10-11-2021 05:36 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 04:59 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 04:29 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 10:37 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  First of all you have to make sure the AAC is worth joining. That sounds odd for me to say since I believe I was the 2nd person on here a couple of years ago to say that UAB would be joining the AAC.

What if the AAC loses Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, USF? Maybe even Temple if the Big 12 went to 16. Does an AAC look attractive with the leftovers consisting of ECU, Navy and Tulane?

Possible to the Big 12:
#13 Memphis
#14 USF
#15 Boise St
#16 Temple

Possible to the Mountain West who are interested in Central Time zone schools:
SMU
Tulsa

Right now it's hard to know. Hopefully we will know soon.

Not sure why you keep mentioning Temple because they have not been mentioned as a possible candidate for the Big 12. The people in the know with the Big 12 expansion discussions have clearly stated USF and SMU would be #15 and #16 if they decide to go to 16 teams. The holdup is the Big 12 waiting to see what the PAC 12 will get for their upcoming TV deal.

Not sure Tulsa would want to pay the AAC exit fees to leave for the MWC if it's not financially beneficial for them. SMU is going to stay in the AAC and wait to see what the Big 12 does.

Like I said, I do believe the AAC will be a former shell of itself in 5 years. And just like when CUSA 2.0 lost all of it's schools, the AAC will be looking at a similar fate. It's hard to fathom but at one point UAB use to get a couple of million dollars from the CUSA TV deal. How times have changed.

For now....

UAB needs to be doing everything in it's power to knock USF, SMU, or whoever out of one of these last slots in an expanded Big12.

Not sure how much time UAB has to do that but it would certainly help if they became more competitive in national prominent games.

2022
09/10 - at Liberty
09/17 - Georgia Southern
11/19 - at LSU

2023
09/09 - at Georgia Southern
09/16 - Louisiana
09/23 - at Georgia

2024
09/07 - at ULM
09/14 - at Arkansas
11/09 - UConn

Well, if that’s the only criteria then we have already jumped USF
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RE: Can UAB afford the AAC
(10-11-2021 05:43 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 05:36 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 04:59 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 04:29 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 10:37 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  First of all you have to make sure the AAC is worth joining. That sounds odd for me to say since I believe I was the 2nd person on here a couple of years ago to say that UAB would be joining the AAC.

What if the AAC loses Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, USF? Maybe even Temple if the Big 12 went to 16. Does an AAC look attractive with the leftovers consisting of ECU, Navy and Tulane?

Possible to the Big 12:
#13 Memphis
#14 USF
#15 Boise St
#16 Temple

Possible to the Mountain West who are interested in Central Time zone schools:
SMU
Tulsa

Right now it's hard to know. Hopefully we will know soon.

Not sure why you keep mentioning Temple because they have not been mentioned as a possible candidate for the Big 12. The people in the know with the Big 12 expansion discussions have clearly stated USF and SMU would be #15 and #16 if they decide to go to 16 teams. The holdup is the Big 12 waiting to see what the PAC 12 will get for their upcoming TV deal.

Not sure Tulsa would want to pay the AAC exit fees to leave for the MWC if it's not financially beneficial for them. SMU is going to stay in the AAC and wait to see what the Big 12 does.

Like I said, I do believe the AAC will be a former shell of itself in 5 years. And just like when CUSA 2.0 lost all of it's schools, the AAC will be looking at a similar fate. It's hard to fathom but at one point UAB use to get a couple of million dollars from the CUSA TV deal. How times have changed.

For now....

UAB needs to be doing everything in it's power to knock USF, SMU, or whoever out of one of these last slots in an expanded Big12.

Not sure how much time UAB has to do that but it would certainly help if they became more competitive in national prominent games.

2022
09/10 - at Liberty
09/17 - Georgia Southern
11/19 - at LSU

2023
09/09 - at Georgia Southern
09/16 - Louisiana
09/23 - at Georgia

2024
09/07 - at ULM
09/14 - at Arkansas
11/09 - UConn

Well, if that’s the only criteria then we have already jumped USF

Not really. Since 2017, USF has beaten Illinois (twice), Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, and BYU. Sadly over that same period of time, UAB doesn't have a win that comes close to those USF wins.

I think UAB meets a lot of the criteria that the Big 12 would be looking for. Being a travel partner for UCF could work in USF favor. Plus I think USF has committed to building in OCS and Tampa is the 11th largest tv market which also helps their cause.
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Can UAB afford the AAC
(10-11-2021 05:52 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 05:43 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 05:36 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 04:59 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 04:29 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Not sure why you keep mentioning Temple because they have not been mentioned as a possible candidate for the Big 12. The people in the know with the Big 12 expansion discussions have clearly stated USF and SMU would be #15 and #16 if they decide to go to 16 teams. The holdup is the Big 12 waiting to see what the PAC 12 will get for their upcoming TV deal.

Not sure Tulsa would want to pay the AAC exit fees to leave for the MWC if it's not financially beneficial for them. SMU is going to stay in the AAC and wait to see what the Big 12 does.

Like I said, I do believe the AAC will be a former shell of itself in 5 years. And just like when CUSA 2.0 lost all of it's schools, the AAC will be looking at a similar fate. It's hard to fathom but at one point UAB use to get a couple of million dollars from the CUSA TV deal. How times have changed.

For now....

UAB needs to be doing everything in it's power to knock USF, SMU, or whoever out of one of these last slots in an expanded Big12.

Not sure how much time UAB has to do that but it would certainly help if they became more competitive in national prominent games.

2022
09/10 - at Liberty
09/17 - Georgia Southern
11/19 - at LSU

2023
09/09 - at Georgia Southern
09/16 - Louisiana
09/23 - at Georgia

2024
09/07 - at ULM
09/14 - at Arkansas
11/09 - UConn

Well, if that’s the only criteria then we have already jumped USF

Not really. Since 2017, USF has beaten Illinois (twice), Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, and BYU. Sadly over that same period of time, UAB doesn't have a win that comes close to those USF wins.

I think UAB meets a lot of the criteria that the Big 12 would be looking for. Being a travel partner for UCF could work in USF favor. Plus I think USF has committed to building in OCS and Tampa is the 11th largest tv market which also helps their cause.


Broken record among us all at this point but if only we would schedule Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, BYU…. Our past 2 P5 games were top 10 teams. Oh well
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RE: Can UAB afford the AAC
(10-11-2021 04:29 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 10:37 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  First of all you have to make sure the AAC is worth joining. That sounds odd for me to say since I believe I was the 2nd person on here a couple of years ago to say that UAB would be joining the AAC.

What if the AAC loses Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, USF? Maybe even Temple if the Big 12 went to 16. Does an AAC look attractive with the leftovers consisting of ECU, Navy and Tulane?

Possible to the Big 12:
#13 Memphis
#14 USF
#15 Boise St
#16 Temple

Possible to the Mountain West who are interested in Central Time zone schools:
SMU
Tulsa

Right now it's hard to know. Hopefully we will know soon.

Not sure why you keep mentioning Temple because they have not been mentioned as a possible candidate for the Big 12. The people in the know with the Big 12 expansion discussions have clearly stated USF and SMU would be #15 and #16 if they decide to go to 16 teams. The holdup is the Big 12 waiting to see what the PAC 12 will get for their upcoming TV deal.

Not sure Tulsa would want to pay the AAC exit fees to leave for the MWC if it's not financially beneficial for them. SMU is going to stay in the AAC and wait to see what the Big 12 does.

Like I said, I do believe the AAC will be a former shell of itself in 5 years. And just like when CUSA 2.0 lost all of it's schools, the AAC will be looking at a similar fate. It's hard to fathom but at one point UAB use to get a couple of million dollars from the CUSA TV deal. How times have changed.

Forgot the exact name of the report that was released last week. Something like "Altimore....". I skimmed some of the 250+ pages and the big surprise that I got out of it was how highly regarded Temple was. Also TCU may try to keep SMU out of the Big 12.

Also the people who don't like Boise State's academics list USF over BSU. Not saying I would.
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(10-11-2021 05:52 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Since 2017, USF has beaten Illinois (twice), Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, and BYU. Sadly over that same period of time, UAB doesn't have a win that comes close to those USF wins.

Our next shot to gain some credibility outside our base might be UTSA but more likely will be in a bowl game or next season versus LSU.
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Don't think TCU or any Texas school would block SMU if it increases the value of their upcoming TV contract. With Temple, they maybe highly regarded but they are not on the Big 12 radar.
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I've been saying this, but if Im the UAB administration at this point I would have to think long and hard about joining the AAC if there is possibly any better option. Its quite possible we agree to join the AAC and by the time we actually do, it has turned into a shell of what it is even without Cincinnati, ucf, and Houston. I think the only way we can stay in CUSA is if everyone agrees to stick together, minus 2-4 teams. That's not likely to happen. I think the ideal scenario is some type of realignment between the Belt and CUSA that ends up with UAB getting better media exposure.
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(10-11-2021 08:05 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Don't think TCU or any Texas school would block SMU if it increases the value of their upcoming TV contract. With Temple, they maybe highly regarded but they are not on the Big 12 radar.

...and I STILL think the BIG XII would LOVE to plant a flag directly across the street from SEC HQ... COGS02-13-banana04-rockCOGS02-13-banana04-rock03-drunk03-drunk03-drunk
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(10-11-2021 10:28 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 08:05 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Don't think TCU or any Texas school would block SMU if it increases the value of their upcoming TV contract. With Temple, they maybe highly regarded but they are not on the Big 12 radar.

...and I STILL think the BIG XII would LOVE to plant a flag directly across the street from SEC HQ... COGS02-13-banana04-rockCOGS02-13-banana04-rock03-drunk03-drunk03-drunk

UAB has to give the Big XII a reason to do it
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You gotta go to the AAC regardless. I hope UAB is never in some sort of regional football-centric bus league even if some of those teams are pretty good. Play them nonconference. UAB belongs with urban research and urban private universities.
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(10-12-2021 07:49 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  You gotta go to the AAC regardless. I hope UAB is never in some sort of regional football-centric bus league even if some of those teams are pretty good. Play them nonconference. UAB belongs with urban research and urban private universities.

Why? We are talking sports here. Not an IQ test.
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(10-12-2021 08:31 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 07:49 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  You gotta go to the AAC regardless. I hope UAB is never in some sort of regional football-centric bus league even if some of those teams are pretty good. Play them nonconference. UAB belongs with urban research and urban private universities.

Why? We are talking sports here. Not an IQ test.

If our athletics program were only about sports, we would be the Birmingham Blazers. The UAB brand goes beyond athletics. I think it matters very much to the PTB at UAB which schools were are associated with.

Marshall, App State, Louisiana etc may be cool with an "academics don't matter" conference but they aren't UAB.
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(10-12-2021 08:31 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 07:49 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  You gotta go to the AAC regardless. I hope UAB is never in some sort of regional football-centric bus league even if some of those teams are pretty good. Play them nonconference. UAB belongs with urban research and urban private universities.

Why? We are talking sports here. Not an IQ test.
Before Conference USA there was the Great Midwest conference which the majority of schools fitting the profile of urban research and urban private universities. If you look up those members you'll find Cincinnati, UAB, Memphis, and then later Louisville in the original version of CUSA.
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RE: Can UAB afford the AAC
(10-12-2021 08:31 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 07:49 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  You gotta go to the AAC regardless. I hope UAB is never in some sort of regional football-centric bus league even if some of those teams are pretty good. Play them nonconference. UAB belongs with urban research and urban private universities.

Why? We are talking sports here. Not an IQ test.

Exactly. Besides, these like minded universities that some of the posters want UAB to be associated with may not even be in the AAC by the time we're in the conference.
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(10-12-2021 08:31 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 07:49 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  You gotta go to the AAC regardless. I hope UAB is never in some sort of regional football-centric bus league even if some of those teams are pretty good. Play them nonconference. UAB belongs with urban research and urban private universities.

Why? We are talking sports here. Not an IQ test.

UAB has invested billions with a B over the past 50 years to become one of the elite private research universities in the United States. It has nothing in common institutionally with rural southern directional institutions. It doesn't have anything in common with about half of C-USA, either.

UAB's peers are Houston, Louisville, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, Memphis, Charlotte, Temple. This isn't just a fan thing -- these schools are listed by name in institutional Strategic Planning. At one time, UAB was in an athletic conference with most of those institutions. Private institutions such as SMU, Rice and Tulane are also seen as desirable affiliations.

I know you don't know this history and it doesn't get spoken about often, but the reasons UAB is currently not with those schools are part of an internal battle over the direction of the university as a whole, of which athletics were the public battleground. There was a segment of Tuscaloosa who wanted to define UAB by a smaller vision, and they wanted to define it by those regional hyphens. They would have been just fine with putting UAB in an athletic conference of Troy, Georgia Southern, Louisiana-Monroe and let that define the whole institution and put that billion-dollar aspiration back in the box of extension center. They lost that fight.

Birmingham and UAB community didn't sink a billion+ dollars into that bigger vision over the last 8 years to start taking bus rides to Troy and Statesboro. Nothing wrong with those places, they make great nonconference games. The people writing those checks will not support joining such an athletic conference, however.
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Then it's clear that UAB's educational goals didn't align with athletics or otherwise we would not have falling so far behind the 8-ball like we have and trying to play catch up.

I want UAB to be in the best conference for athletics. If the ceiling is the AAC then so be it. But lets not pretend the AAC is this super duper conference when most of the super duper teams are gone.
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(10-12-2021 09:40 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Then it's clear that UAB's educational goals didn't align with athletics or otherwise we would not have falling so far behind the 8-ball like we have and trying to play catch up.

I want UAB to be in the best conference for athletics. If the ceiling is the AAC then so be it. But lets not pretend the AAC is this super duper conference when most of the super duper teams are gone.

It's the next step. Whether it's our ceiling or not will be primarily up to us.
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(10-12-2021 10:08 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 09:40 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Then it's clear that UAB's educational goals didn't align with athletics or otherwise we would not have falling so far behind the 8-ball like we have and trying to play catch up.

I want UAB to be in the best conference for athletics. If the ceiling is the AAC then so be it. But lets not pretend the AAC is this super duper conference when most of the super duper teams are gone.

It's the next step. Whether it's our ceiling or not will be primarily up to us.

Agree. But lets also recognize the fact that getting 2 to 3 million or even 7 million from a tv deal isn't going to sustain UAB Athletics long term and the fear that a lot of us have and justifiably so is the window of opportunity to land in a conference that would significantly increase our athletic budget is closing rapidly.

Whether we like it or not, the reality is we are a lot closer to being in a boat long term with G5 schools than P5 programs and that reality sucks!
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