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(10-06-2021 03:27 PM)esayem Wrote:  I don’t see UMass moving down to FCS—their AD even said that’s not an option— so it doesn’t make sense for people to scream and yell it’s a mistake they moved up. The focus should be “how can we make this work?” And that’s precisely what this thread is about.

Well, I guess my answer then is "it can't work and they should cut the program."
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CUSA or Sun Belt would be better than MAC if UMass left the A10. They are a bad institutional and geographic fit in any of them. So join a conference with a better Mid-Atlantic and Southeast presence for athlete and student recruitment.
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(10-06-2021 02:29 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  there's a HUGE difference between the AAC and the MAC. While the present AAC is no great shakes, the AAC at least has a few schools that are academically aspirational (Tulane, Navy), and athletically recognizable (Memphis, SMU, Temple for late 90's UMass hoops fans). At least you could tell your faculty "we're rubbing elbows with Tulane!" instead of Western Michigan.

The difference isn't that big. Yes, Tulane is Top 50 in the USNWR rankings. It's a good school. But Miami and Buffalo come in around 100. They are good schools, too.

(And don't sell Western Michigan short. It's basically interchangeable with Memphis in the eyes of USNWR.)
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RE: UMass should try to get into the MAC for all sports.
(10-06-2021 03:48 PM)Hbus Wrote:  CUSA or Sun Belt would be better than MAC if UMass left the A10. They are a bad institutional and geographic fit in any of them. So join a conference with a better Mid-Atlantic and Southeast presence for athlete and student recruitment.

Yeah, I suspect that C-USA will lose 6 teams, say UAB, Rice, ODU, and FAU to the AAC and Marshall and Southern Miss to the Sun Belt. They'll need replacement schools and UMass and UConn would be able to join as FB-only relatively quickly.

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Going to address somethings said and may come back late tonight or tomorrow with revisions.

1a. UMass Should never selected 1AA in 1977. UMass football had a long history and been in the Tangerine Bowl against Eastern Carolina in 1964. We had coach Dick Macpherson from 1971-1977 when UMass went for 1AA and left for Syracuse.
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Year    Team    Overall    Conference    Standing    Bowl/playoffs    Coaches#    AP°
UMass Redmen/Minutemen (Yankee Conference) (1971–1977)
1971    UMass    4–4–1    3–1–1    T–1st            
1972    UMass    9–2    5–0    1st    W Boardwalk        
1973    UMass    6–5    4–2    3rd            
1974    UMass    5–6    4–2    T–1st            
1975    UMass    8–2    4–1    2nd            
1976    UMass    5–5    3–2    2nd            
1977    UMass    8–3    5–0    1st    L NCAA Division II Quarterfinal        
UMass:    45–27–1    27–8–1

1b. UMass won the 1AA Championship in 1998 and had inquires to move up by CUSA and the MAC. UMass also has defeat Appalachian State at home in OT since being FBS. UMass has lost to Georgia Southern in the FCS Championship game but has beaten them at home since moving up to FBS. UMass also beat BYU at BYU since moving up to FBS.

UMass has made terrible HC decisions with football starting with Don Brown departure and promoting Morris. WE went from an elite FCS program to a mediocre at best squad when we had a chancellor committed to FBS. The facilities where not FBS compliant with replay booth and had to go to Gillette for 2 years. However the Kraft group insisted on 4 years. Also went cheap on the FBS needed improvements with 36.5 Million but have since have made improvements and the IPF.

2. The MAC was considered a safety net if the A10 fell apart. The A10 beefed up ahead of the realignment and was the one that put in the all sports clause option in the MAC contract. No other FB only contract has been written with an all sports invite guarantee.

3. UMass considers itself an east coast team as Marshall considered itself as a southern team.

4. All sports MAC is not happening unless the A10 becomes a one bid conference, which think it was saved from with things shutting down due to Covid. The A10 continues to be weak and think it is a 2-3 bid conference. Favor the MAC over CUSA. Being independent is a head wind that a struggling program does not need and UMass will accept the a FB only from either. AAC is not happening.

5. The reason for FBS is to be like academic peers and most have FBS. Financially going FBS G5 losses similar amounts of money as FCS, but has a much more positive upside. We are not dropping down, but the AD and football staff have warm seats. The issue with that is have no confidence UMass will select a better AD or FB staff, especial as it is currently a less than ideal spot with independence and lack of performance.

6. Get why the MAC wants all sports members and no significant benefit adding UMass. However if the MAC every adds UMass as a FB only, we'd be stable and not looking for the first open door out. While UMass thinks itself as east coast, we are Northern like the MAC. No other G5 conference is northern.

7. Beat UConn this Saturday will do wonders for it's psyche and losing will be a very tough pill.
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(10-06-2021 04:13 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Going to address somethings said and may come back late tonight or tomorrow with revisions.

1a. UMass Should never selected 1AA in 1977. UMass football had a long history and been in the Tangerine Bowl against Eastern Carolina in 1964. We had coach Dick Macpherson from 1971-1977 when UMass went for 1AA and left for Syracuse.

I mean.... EVERY small college in the east went to a Tangerine Bowl in antiquity. Maine was there against ECU the very next year. A year later it was Morgan State vs. West Chester. Let's relax on 19-dickety-4 Tangerine Bowl appearances meaning anything. It was a bowl designated specifically for small colleges.
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(10-06-2021 04:13 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Going to address somethings said and may come back late tonight or tomorrow with revisions.

1a. UMass Should never selected 1AA in 1977. UMass football had a long history and been in the Tangerine Bowl against Eastern Carolina in 1964. We had coach Dick Macpherson from 1971-1977 when UMass went for 1AA and left for Syracuse.

I mean.... EVERY small college in the east went to a Tangerine Bowl in antiquity. Maine was there against ECU the very next year. A year later it was Morgan State vs. West Chester. Let's relax on 19-dickety-4 Tangerine Bowl appearances meaning anything. It was a bowl designated specifically for small colleges.

It's not just one thing, it's 22 Conference Championships over a long extended period of time, 5 decades.
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UMass has won a total of 22 conference championships, 12 shared and 10 outright.
Season    Conference    Overall record    Conference record
1960†    Yankee Conference    7–2    3–1
1963    Yankee Conference    8–0–1    5–0
1964    Yankee Conference    8–2    5–0
1966    Yankee Conference    6–3    5–0
1967    Yankee Conference    7–2    5–0
1969    Yankee Conference    6–3    5–0
1971†    Yankee Conference    4–4–1    3–1–1
1972    Yankee Conference    9–2    5–0
1974†    Yankee Conference    5–6    4–2
1977    Yankee Conference    8–3    5–0
1978    Yankee Conference    9–4    5–0
1979†    Yankee Conference    6–4    4–1
1981†    Yankee Conference    6–3    4–1
1982†    Yankee Conference    5–6    3–2
1986†    Yankee Conference    8–3    5–2
1988†    Yankee Conference    8–4    6–2
1990    Yankee Conference    8–2–1    7–1
1998†    Atlantic 10 Conference    12–3    6–2
1999†    Atlantic 10 Conference    9–4    7–1
2003†    Atlantic 10 Conference    10–3    8–1
2006    Atlantic 10 Conference    13–2    8–0
2007†    Colonial Athletic Association    10–3    7–1
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They should, but it's more entertaining watching them get blown out by MAC teams en route to 0-12 year-in & year-out & people insist they're going to the AAC.
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(10-06-2021 12:54 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:20 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  The solution to "What's Wrong With School X" is never "School X should join a conference with teams that none of its fans care about."

UMass made a huge mistake going FBS. When you make a huge mistake, you don't double down on it by further alienating your fans. No, the A-10 isn't what it was when UMass was in its heyday in the 90's as a northeast based multi-bid conference. But it is still a multi-bid conference. And there are still teams in the A-10 that UMass's fans care about.

I would also question why UMass football is automatically better off in the MAC than it is as an independent. It isn't going to win games in either scenario, it isn't going to draw fans in either scenario, it isn't going to make money in either scenario. So why rearrange those deck chairs and make all of your other sports worse off?

Well, you would know more than I do since I live in the south and you’re a Maine guy, but I have a few questions.

Why would they be worse off? Both western NY and Ohio are firmly A10 territory. Hell, St. Louis is A10 territory all the way over to Virginia and North Carolina. I don’t see travel being an issue for the MAC or C-USA considering there is some combination of schools in those leagues that are also in the A10 footprint.

Marshall, UCF, and Temple (fb-only) stretched the footprint but all have used MAC membership to move up the totem poll. Now UB is being hailed as an AAC replacement, a conference UMass openly covets joining.

The aforementioned playoff money of being in a conference would be attractive. How does that stack up against Independent status w/ buy games and the A10 money? Not sure, but buy games will be there either way.

I don’t think going FBS was a mistake. The mistake was hiring an AD that fired two coaches with UMass roots and replaced them with unproven coaches. Look at the records of their current revenue producing sports. Abysmal. That starts and ends with coaching.

1. The A-10 isn't really as spread out as people make it out to be. There are three geographic outliers in the A-10, outside the northeast/ACELA corridor: Dayton, Saint Louis, and Davidson.

In the MAC, Buffalo is reasonably in the northeast. The next closest school to UMass would be Kent State, about 580 miles away. 8 of 11 A-10 schools are closer to UMass than the second closest MAC school.

That matters, and not just for travel for your athletic teams. UMass's alumni network is in the stretch from DC to Boston. You've got opponents in NYC, Philadelphia, and DC. This hasn't been treated like it matters in conference realignment by people who just point to TV contracts, but it does. You want to play where your fans are, and you want to play schools your fans care about. Spending basketball season playing and traveling to Kent State, Bowling Green, and Ball State is a recipe for apathy.

2. I don't understand how the playoff money would move the needle at all. Every other school in the MAC would be getting the same money (or more if there was a delay in UMass' eligibility to receive a share). UMass would just have to pour that money into football to keep up with the Joneses. It wouldn't help UMass basketball get things straightened out, it wouldn't entice people to come watch football (UMass tried playing MAC schools and no one came to watch). My first rule of college sports realignment should be "Fans aren't going to buy tickets or concessions to sit in the stands and watch your bank account grow."

3. UMass' AD is also the one who hired a hockey coach that led UMass to a national title in its second most important sport.

4. Going FBS was absolutely a mistake. Just because football drives the boat at most schools down south doesn't mean it needs to in New England. Fans of schools in New England have proven time and time again they aggressively do not care about their schools' football teams.

UMass was 129th in attendance in 2019. UMass has had three home games this year: 12,118 against the most local P5 rival possible (BC), 7,012 against Eastern Michigan, and 9,456 against Toledo. Those would not be out of place in the CAA.

So, no one comes to the games. The team loses an embarrassing amount of games. The program loses money hand over fist.

Other than that, going FBS in football was a great idea!

And Buffalo going to FBS was a mistake, according to you. So was UConn, and the entire Sunbelt in your opinion. I've heard your tripe before and I don't buy it!!!
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The AAC will be raided again by the MWC and/or the Big 12. I believe that UMass will join the AAC as a all sports member. They won’t be the top choice on a FB basis, but their overall sports profile will get them in.
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How can one watch the UMass-UConn game? FloSports the only way?


It’s on at the same time as UNC I think, but it might be worth flipping to or setting up the laptop for.
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(10-07-2021 10:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  How can one watch the UMass-UConn game? FloSports the only way?


It’s on at the same time as UNC I think, but it might be worth flipping to or setting up the laptop for.

Locally NESN tends to pick up UMass' stuff, but not sure about options outside of New England or if NESN can be streamed out-of-region.
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UMass has a lot of upsides. UMass is a State Flagship and because Massachusetts is so small I would think their penetration into the Boston tv market has to count for something. Good academics, and athletic facilities have been improved with the Football performance center. I think the stadium has been upgraded with a new press box.

Unfortunately the on field performance of the football team really hurts UMass efforts to get into a conference. Honestly UCONN’s dismal performance in FBS football has hurt UMass as well. The perception (which I disagree with) is that You cannot win in the North East due to poor recruiting.
Never mind that Buffalo, Syracuse, and Boston College find ways to win (at least sporadically).
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(10-07-2021 11:58 AM)No Bull Wrote:  UMass has a lot of upsides. UMass is a State Flagship and because Massachusetts is so small I would think their penetration into the Boston tv market has to count for something. Good academics, and athletic facilities have been improved with the Football performance center. I think the stadium has been upgraded with a new press box.

Unfortunately the on field performance of the football team really hurts UMass efforts to get into a conference. Honestly UCONN’s dismal performance in FBS football has hurt UMass as well. The perception (which I disagree with) is that You cannot win in the North East due to poor recruiting.
Never mind that Buffalo, Syracuse, and Boston College find ways to win (at least sporadically).

Do you really think anyone in Boston cares about UMASS with the Red Sox, Bruins, Celtics and the Pats not including BC???
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UConn at least has basketball (men's and women's) to help them remain a respectable school, kind of like Kansas does. Unfortunately for UMass, John Calipari and Marcus Camby left 25 years ago.

UConn made the move to at least save its men's basketball team when it moved from the AAC to the Big East. They may have hurt their football program but if their men's basketball gets back to regularly competing for NCAA Tournaments I think it's worth it. I'd gladly sacrifice Temple's football team if we can go back to John Chaney level performance. Problem is the Big East likely doesn't take Temple.
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(10-07-2021 12:45 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(10-07-2021 11:58 AM)No Bull Wrote:  UMass has a lot of upsides. UMass is a State Flagship and because Massachusetts is so small I would think their penetration into the Boston tv market has to count for something. Good academics, and athletic facilities have been improved with the Football performance center. I think the stadium has been upgraded with a new press box.

Unfortunately the on field performance of the football team really hurts UMass efforts to get into a conference. Honestly UCONN’s dismal performance in FBS football has hurt UMass as well. The perception (which I disagree with) is that You cannot win in the North East due to poor recruiting.
Never mind that Buffalo, Syracuse, and Boston College find ways to win (at least sporadically).

Do you really think anyone in Boston cares about UMASS with the Red Sox, Bruins, Celtics and the Pats not including BC???
Do any UMass graduates live in Boston? I would think would care if UMass was in a conference and winning. Boston is a big city. All UMAss needs is a decent audience share.

“UMass has more than 500,000 alumni around the world, including 300,000 who are living, working and leading companies and organizations throughout05-ban Massachusetts, making it the largest alumni network in New England.“
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(10-07-2021 12:49 PM)schmolik Wrote:  UConn at least has basketball (men's and women's) to help them remain a respectable school, kind of like Kansas does. Unfortunately for UMass, John Calipari and Marcus Camby left 25 years ago.

UConn made the move to at least save its men's basketball team when it moved from the AAC to the Big East. They may have hurt their football program but if their men's basketball gets back to regularly competing for NCAA Tournaments I think it's worth it. I'd gladly sacrifice Temple's football team if we can go back to John Chaney level performance. Problem is the Big East likely doesn't take Temple.

In all fairness, UMass didn't stick their basketball team anywhere nonsensical for the sake of football - the A10's a solid basketball league and there's no reason that UMass can't be an above-average A10 squad that sometimes makes the tournament. Basically, UMass should be doing everything that URI's managed to do lately. They just haven't, which is a separate issue.
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(10-07-2021 01:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-07-2021 12:49 PM)schmolik Wrote:  UConn at least has basketball (men's and women's) to help them remain a respectable school, kind of like Kansas does. Unfortunately for UMass, John Calipari and Marcus Camby left 25 years ago.

UConn made the move to at least save its men's basketball team when it moved from the AAC to the Big East. They may have hurt their football program but if their men's basketball gets back to regularly competing for NCAA Tournaments I think it's worth it. I'd gladly sacrifice Temple's football team if we can go back to John Chaney level performance. Problem is the Big East likely doesn't take Temple.

In all fairness, UMass didn't stick their basketball team anywhere nonsensical for the sake of football - the A10's a solid basketball league and there's no reason that UMass can't be an above-average A10 squad that sometimes makes the tournament. Basically, UMass should be doing everything that URI's managed to do lately. They just haven't, which is a separate issue.

And this is the crux of why some of us are arguing that UMass shouldn't jump at the MAC or CUSA- football aside, UMass is where it should be for the rest of its sports. I don't think there is enough upside in UMass football to justify upending UMass's A-10 membership. If UMass could get into the P5, sure! But the incremental steps that would need to be taken to get UMass to the point that UConn couldn't reach would take the better part of a century. This isn't college football country up here. UMass football isn't going to turn into a huge draw for 40,000 fans/weekend even if they start going 8-4 in CUSA or the MAC.
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(10-07-2021 01:44 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  
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(10-07-2021 12:49 PM)schmolik Wrote:  UConn at least has basketball (men's and women's) to help them remain a respectable school, kind of like Kansas does. Unfortunately for UMass, John Calipari and Marcus Camby left 25 years ago.

UConn made the move to at least save its men's basketball team when it moved from the AAC to the Big East. They may have hurt their football program but if their men's basketball gets back to regularly competing for NCAA Tournaments I think it's worth it. I'd gladly sacrifice Temple's football team if we can go back to John Chaney level performance. Problem is the Big East likely doesn't take Temple.

In all fairness, UMass didn't stick their basketball team anywhere nonsensical for the sake of football - the A10's a solid basketball league and there's no reason that UMass can't be an above-average A10 squad that sometimes makes the tournament. Basically, UMass should be doing everything that URI's managed to do lately. They just haven't, which is a separate issue.

And this is the crux of why some of us are arguing that UMass shouldn't jump at the MAC or CUSA- football aside, UMass is where it should be for the rest of its sports. I don't think there is enough upside in UMass football to justify upending UMass's A-10 membership. If UMass could get into the P5, sure! But the incremental steps that would need to be taken to get UMass to the point that UConn couldn't reach would take the better part of a century. This isn't college football country up here. UMass football isn't going to turn into a huge draw for 40,000 fans/weekend even if they start going 8-4 in CUSA or the MAC.
UMass just needs to be sustainable in football. If they could average 25k and play .500 football they would be drawing interest or at least be in the realignment discussion.
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RE: UMass should try to get into the MAC for all sports.
(10-07-2021 11:58 AM)No Bull Wrote:  UMass has a lot of upsides. UMass is a State Flagship and because Massachusetts is so small I would think their penetration into the Boston tv market has to count for something. Good academics, and athletic facilities have been improved with the Football performance center. I think the stadium has been upgraded with a new press box.

Unfortunately the on field performance of the football team really hurts UMass efforts to get into a conference. Honestly UCONN’s dismal performance in FBS football has hurt UMass as well. The perception (which I disagree with) is that You cannot win in the North East due to poor recruiting.
Never mind that Buffalo, Syracuse, and Boston College find ways to win (at least sporadically).

And Notre Dame finds ways to win being in a basketball state. And Boise finds ways to win.

UMass and UConn have the fundamentals to succeed. UMass needs a stadium and both need the right coaches.
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