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(10-07-2021 10:11 AM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  

Sissy needs to turn around in the other direction.

Urbie likes his twinkies.

I don't know whether Urban is a faithful husband or not, and his marital situation is none of my business. Neither are his religious beliefs or his level of adherence to them. But for a high-profile public figure to exhibit questionable behavior in the presence of a crowd where everyone has a cell-phone and then to offer up an easily refuted excuse for his conduct is just plain crazy. Again, what the hell was he thinking?

(10-07-2021 11:41 AM)colohank Wrote:  I don't know whether Urban is a faithful husband or not, and his marital situation is none of my business. Neither are his religious beliefs or his level of adherence to them. But for a high-profile public figure to exhibit questionable behavior in the presence of a crowd where everyone has a cell-phone and then to offer up an easily refuted excuse for his conduct is just plain crazy. Again, what the hell was he thinking?

Like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, you're not in college anymore Urb. He's been making poor decisions and alienating his team since he was hired. The bigger issue is why did he elect not to ride on the plane home with the team? Win together, lose together. He elected to take a three day pass off to "unwind" and "reset" after the Bengals loss. Maybe you should try to spend more time in the film room or with your staff to plan how to get a win for the next game. I think he's spoiled or feels entitled IMO. If he loses the next couple of games - that is entirely possible - then I look for a mutual parting of the ways. I don't know how you can rebuild trust with your players or win over the locker room after all that's happened since his hire.

(10-07-2021 11:53 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 11:41 AM)colohank Wrote:  I don't know whether Urban is a faithful husband or not, and his marital situation is none of my business. Neither are his religious beliefs or his level of adherence to them. But for a high-profile public figure to exhibit questionable behavior in the presence of a crowd where everyone has a cell-phone and then to offer up an easily refuted excuse for his conduct is just plain crazy. Again, what the hell was he thinking?

Like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, you're not in college anymore Urb. He's been making poor decisions and alienating his team since he was hired. The bigger issue is why did he elect not to ride on the plane home with the team? Win together, lose together. He elected to take a three day pass off to "unwind" and "reset" after the Bengals loss. Maybe you should try to spend more time in the film room or with your staff to plan how to get a win for the next game. I think he's spoiled or feels entitled IMO. If he loses the next couple of games - that is entirely possible - then I look for a mutual parting of the ways. I don't know how you can rebuild trust with your players or win over the locker room after all that's happened since his hire.

He won big with Alex Smith at Utah. He did even better with Tebow at Florida. He had a really good run with Miller, JT Barrett, and Cardale Jones. The problem is that every team in the NFL is equally talented as his team and he'd only run across that one or two times a season in college.

You can't take 3 days off during the NFL season to dick around when you're an NFL head coach. As you go higher up, the differences between the players decreases and the coaching/scheme/playcalling becomes all the more important. I don't know anything about the guy but from an outsiders perspective, he doesn't look like someone that wants to put the time into being an NFL headcoach and didn't realize how difficult it was going to be.

(10-06-2021 12:07 PM)bearcats23 Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 11:46 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Could care less how Urb's behaves. That is for this family to address. I do find it funny he constantly talks about being a man of faith and family/faith first. His moral compass is so far from being a man of faith.

Just because someone is a Christian doesn't mean they're perfect and always behave perfectly according to God's word and our worldy views. Quite the opposite actually. I consider myself a man of faith and I screw up constantly. I make mistakes daily with how I treat others at work, how I treat my kids, how I value money, the way I talk about others, etc. etc. etc. Urban made a mistake, God gives grace. Finding grace from his wife and kids will be tougher than receiving grace from God.

The perception that Christians always behave perfectly otherwise they're a fraud is so far off base. We're Christians and need grace because we're sinners, not because we're perfect.

I am a Christian too. I also make mistakes and am a sinner. The difference is I do not constantly pontificate on faith and family to make myself look better than I am.

As Rath said, he is a wealthy one percenter who believe he can do whatever and get away with it.

I was listening to a pod with Jonathan Vilma. Said it was completely unheard of for an NFL HC not to travel home with the team. Urban's about the worst ever personality fit for the NFL. High profile college coaches are emperors; what they say goes and it's not questioned. Some have the personality that could adjust to NFL; I think Fick could adjust to an NFL locker room. But Urban is not one of those guys. I'd be surprised if he makes it to year 2.

(10-07-2021 12:06 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 11:53 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 11:41 AM)colohank Wrote:  I don't know whether Urban is a faithful husband or not, and his marital situation is none of my business. Neither are his religious beliefs or his level of adherence to them. But for a high-profile public figure to exhibit questionable behavior in the presence of a crowd where everyone has a cell-phone and then to offer up an easily refuted excuse for his conduct is just plain crazy. Again, what the hell was he thinking?

Like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, you're not in college anymore Urb. He's been making poor decisions and alienating his team since he was hired. The bigger issue is why did he elect not to ride on the plane home with the team? Win together, lose together. He elected to take a three day pass off to "unwind" and "reset" after the Bengals loss. Maybe you should try to spend more time in the film room or with your staff to plan how to get a win for the next game. I think he's spoiled or feels entitled IMO. If he loses the next couple of games - that is entirely possible - then I look for a mutual parting of the ways. I don't know how you can rebuild trust with your players or win over the locker room after all that's happened since his hire.

He won big with Alex Smith at Utah. He did even better with Tebow at Florida. He had a really good run with Miller, JT Barrett, and Cardale Jones. The problem is that every team in the NFL is equally talented as his team and he'd only run across that one or two times a season in college.

You can't take 3 days off during the NFL season to dick around when you're an NFL head coach. As you go higher up, the differences between the players decreases and the coaching/scheme/playcalling becomes all the more important. I don't know anything about the guy but from an outsiders perspective, he doesn't look like someone that wants to put the time into being an NFL headcoach and didn't realize how difficult it was going to be.

You're absolutely right. He won big in college because he's one of the all-time great recruiters, both with players and staff. He always had great assistants and usually the best talent in whatever league he was playing in, so that could cover for any deficiencies in his coaching. In the NFL, the gap in talent from teams #1-#32 is about the same as the gap in talent from, say, Alabama to Notre Dame or Oklahoma. Even the bad teams can beat the good ones if you catch a top team sleep walking, and in Urban's case, he has one of the 2 or 3 worst rosters already to begin with.

That said, I don't think Urban is lazy by any means. He has always been lauded as a hard worker, and I'm sure he worked his tail off in college to get to where he was. I just don't think his heart is in this NFL thing. He got off to a bad start, quickly realized he can't do whatever he wants to like when he was in college, then had his first taste of losing football in his entire career. Folks who know him say he's as competitive as they come, and literally can't comprehend losing. I'm guessing he wanted to escape from the negative world he's currently living in and cut loose in the friendly confines of Columbus, where he is treated like a god.

As you said, you can't take time off during the season in the NFL. In college, the head coach can do just about whatever he wants without consequences because the players will blindly follow their leader. In the NFL, you're dealing with grown men who make millions of dollars, have the backing of a player's union, and don't blindly follow leaders they don't respect. In hindsight, his schtick was never going to work in the NFL. I do think there are elite college coaches who can be successful in the NFL -- Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day immediately come to mind. Urban ain't it though.

(10-07-2021 12:39 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I was listening to a pod with Jonathan Vilma. Said it was completely unheard of for an NFL HC not to travel home with the team. Urban's about the worst ever personality fit for the NFL. High profile college coaches are emperors; what they say goes and it's not questioned. Some have the personality that could adjust to NFL; I think Fick could adjust to an NFL locker room. But Urban is not one of those guys. I'd be surprised if he makes it to year 2.

Yeah, I think Fick could adjust as well. He's a smart guy and earns the respect of both his peers and players. It would definitely be a learning curve though, as there is a lot more entitlement among NFL players. I imagine the inability to get guys to buy in early and put in extra work would drive him nuts for a while. He's better suited as as a college coach, but definitely wouldn't fail spectacularly like Urban has.

(10-07-2021 12:39 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I was listening to a pod with Jonathan Vilma. Said it was completely unheard of for an NFL HC not to travel home with the team. Urban's about the worst ever personality fit for the NFL. High profile college coaches are emperors; what they say goes and it's not questioned. Some have the personality that could adjust to NFL; I think Fick could adjust to an NFL locker room. But Urban is not one of those guys. I'd be surprised if he makes it to year 2.

The NFL did not work well for quite a few coaches such as Nick Saban, etc.

This is a mistake on him and ownership. Come to a financial agreement and let him announce "I have decided to resign to concentrate on some personal matters!"

Take the USC job. In LA there are some many young hotties to bump and grind.

(10-07-2021 01:09 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 12:39 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I was listening to a pod with Jonathan Vilma. Said it was completely unheard of for an NFL HC not to travel home with the team. Urban's about the worst ever personality fit for the NFL. High profile college coaches are emperors; what they say goes and it's not questioned. Some have the personality that could adjust to NFL; I think Fick could adjust to an NFL locker room. But Urban is not one of those guys. I'd be surprised if he makes it to year 2.

The NFL did not work well for quite a few coaches such as Nick Saban, etc.

This is a mistake on him and ownership. Come to a financial agreement and let him announce "I have decided to resign to concentrate on some personal matters!"

Take the USC job. In LA there are some many young hotties to bump and grind.

I think USC would have taken him before this "scandal" -- but with the recent PR black eyes they've endured and their desire to maintain their reputation as an elite academic institution in a conference that values that sort of thing, he would be a tough sell. I think a place like LSU would be a more realistic landing spot for him, although I doubt he would want to be in the same division with Saban. Florida State could make sense, but I've heard that at least a small part of the reason Urban wanted to take the Jacksonville job is to rehabilitate his image with Gator fans. Going to FSU would be the exact opposite of that.

(10-07-2021 01:12 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I think USC would have taken him before this "scandal" -- but with the recent PR black eyes they've endured and their desire to maintain their reputation as an elite academic institution in a conference that values that sort of thing, he would be a tough sell. I think a place like LSU would be a more realistic landing spot for him, although I doubt he would want to be in the same division with Saban. Florida State could make sense, but I've heard that at least a small part of the reason Urban wanted to take the Jacksonville job is to rehabilitate his image with Gator fans. Going to FSU would be the exact opposite of that.

I have no idea but random internet rumor when Clay Helton was on the hot seat last year that Urban would not have support due to the domestic abuse scandal

(10-07-2021 01:43 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 01:12 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I think USC would have taken him before this "scandal" -- but with the recent PR black eyes they've endured and their desire to maintain their reputation as an elite academic institution in a conference that values that sort of thing, he would be a tough sell. I think a place like LSU would be a more realistic landing spot for him, although I doubt he would want to be in the same division with Saban. Florida State could make sense, but I've heard that at least a small part of the reason Urban wanted to take the Jacksonville job is to rehabilitate his image with Gator fans. Going to FSU would be the exact opposite of that.

I have no idea but random internet rumor when Clay Helton was on the hot seat last year that Urban would not have support due to the domestic abuse scandal

That doesn't surprise me. Hypocrisy aside considering USC's own in-house problems, they still try to maintain some sort of "standard" of being above the win-at-all-costs attitude of most of the SEC. Programs like OSU and UNC clutch the same pearls.

(10-07-2021 12:16 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 12:07 PM)bearcats23 Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 11:46 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Could care less how Urb's behaves. That is for this family to address. I do find it funny he constantly talks about being a man of faith and family/faith first. His moral compass is so far from being a man of faith.

Just because someone is a Christian doesn't mean they're perfect and always behave perfectly according to God's word and our worldy views. Quite the opposite actually. I consider myself a man of faith and I screw up constantly. I make mistakes daily with how I treat others at work, how I treat my kids, how I value money, the way I talk about others, etc. etc. etc. Urban made a mistake, God gives grace. Finding grace from his wife and kids will be tougher than receiving grace from God.

The perception that Christians always behave perfectly otherwise they're a fraud is so far off base. We're Christians and need grace because we're sinners, not because we're perfect.

I am a Christian too. I also make mistakes and am a sinner. The difference is I do not constantly pontificate on faith and family to make myself look better than I am.

As Rath said, he is a wealthy one percenter who believe he can do whatever and get away with it.

I don't recall Urban talking much about God.

Mentioning it once in response to a scandal is far from "constantly pontificating."

I actually saw Urban in church once with his father in Cincinnati. Urban looked like someone who hadn't been to church in years.

(10-07-2021 04:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 12:16 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 12:07 PM)bearcats23 Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 11:46 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Could care less how Urb's behaves. That is for this family to address. I do find it funny he constantly talks about being a man of faith and family/faith first. His moral compass is so far from being a man of faith.

Just because someone is a Christian doesn't mean they're perfect and always behave perfectly according to God's word and our worldy views. Quite the opposite actually. I consider myself a man of faith and I screw up constantly. I make mistakes daily with how I treat others at work, how I treat my kids, how I value money, the way I talk about others, etc. etc. etc. Urban made a mistake, God gives grace. Finding grace from his wife and kids will be tougher than receiving grace from God.

The perception that Christians always behave perfectly otherwise they're a fraud is so far off base. We're Christians and need grace because we're sinners, not because we're perfect.

I am a Christian too. I also make mistakes and am a sinner. The difference is I do not constantly pontificate on faith and family to make myself look better than I am.

As Rath said, he is a wealthy one percenter who believe he can do whatever and get away with it.

I don't recall Urban talking much about God.

Mentioning it once in response to a scandal is far from "constantly pontificating."

I actually saw Urban in church once with his father in Cincinnati. Urban looked like someone who hadn't been to church in years.

I’m not judging meyer for this and i don’t care what he does. i would care if his response is something along the lines that he is a man of faith, blah, blah, blah. as long as he owns his actions, so what?

NCAA Football is won by recruiting, recruiting, and recruiting.

NFL Football is won by Xs and Os, roster building, scouting, roster churning, dumpster diving, and grinding work ethic (no pun indented).

They are very different animals. I thought Urban was an awful hire from the start.

I don't think Fick would be a good NFL fit either. He recruits above his head, because the family type atmosphere thing he does. I'm not sure how big of an X and Os guys he is. He also doesn't seem like the guy to put a kicker on the street after 3 bad games. It's just not his world. But that's ok. He'll make millions coaching here in Cincinnati.

So, after Urb's bar adventure videos the Jags lose by their worst margin of the season - 18 points. It was a home loss as well. I will not be surprised if he pulls a Bobby Petrinoesque exit before the end of the season. This has been a disaster hire from day one.

Once upon a time, a successful College coach like Bill Walsh and Chuck Robbinson could make the step up into the NFL and succeed there too. Likewise, a successful NFL coach MIGHT drop down to the college ranks (Jerry Faust, Bill Walton) though typically not without the same rate of success...

The two levels and games are so different now that those days are gone. Urban Meyer is only the most recent example of this.

(10-11-2021 07:55 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Once upon a time, a successful College coach like Bill Walsh and Chuck Robbinson could make the step up into the NFL and succeed there too. Likewise, a successful NFL coach MIGHT drop down to the college ranks (Jerry Faust, Bill Walton) though typically not without the same rate of success...

The two levels and games are so different now that those days are gone. Urban Meyer is only the most recent example of this.

Wait... what?

I think it's also about the money. Some of the cash these college coaches can make jumping to the NFL makes it hard to turn down regardless of their ability to make the transition. Consider...

2007 Bobby Petrino - 5 yr/$24M
2011 Jim Harbaugh - 5 yr/$25M
2013 Chip Kelly - 5 yr/$32.5M
2020 Matt Rhule - 7 yr/$60M
2021 Urban Meyer - [Estimated $12M/yr]

Urban not only has to adjust to an NFL game, he also has to adjust to having a lower salary cap than he had at tosu.