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RE: All IARP cases - timelines by Oct 11
(10-06-2021 01:23 PM)griffin Wrote: (10-06-2021 01:22 PM)Stammers Wrote: (10-06-2021 12:56 PM)griffin Wrote: (10-06-2021 12:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote: (10-06-2021 12:20 PM)griffin Wrote: As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.
The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.
Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.
The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.
Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.
Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.
Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.
In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.
Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.
New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.
They cannot be unbiased and claim a level 1 violation. This was disclosed to the NCAA prior to Wiseman enrolling and they cleared it. This is dramatically different than the OK State situation.
...was informed it was not disclosed prior not sure where you heard it was - hopes this helps...several steps to clearing a player like a 5 star, different than most players - you can get an initial clearing - they then take a deeper dive if they feel necessary, which they did...disclosure came then...they NCAA reached out to Memphis at the time, which did not know about this and they both opened a joint investigation.
Not cut or dry either way - it's according to how you look at it.
When the payment was made, Wiseman wasn't even on our radar. 6 months before Penny took the job, Tubby hadn't recruited him, and he didn't even have an offer from us. Not only was Penny not recruiting him to Memphis, he also steered Lomax, Boyce, Dandridge, and Jeffries AWAY from Memphis. He sent Lomax to a conference rival even though he is his guardian and both of them are Memphians, Jeffries had already committed to Kentucky, and Boyce had already committed to UAB. Clearly, in no shape or form resembling a staffer at Oklahoma State getting recruits paid tens of thousands of dollars to attend Oklahoma State.
Wiseman NOT Offered By Memphis In 2017
Essentially, you can prove that Penny recruited AGAINST Memphis right up to the day he got the job. So, is he a booster? Yes. Was he acting in the best interests of Memphis when he was an AAU coach? Clearly, he was acting directly against the best interests of the school.
Big difference.
The NCAA disagrees with you, hence the pending IARP case. They call the shots.
And that is the whole point. The NCAA lets schools routinely skate for violations in the tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars, and they went out of their way to screw us. All of the assistants that have been punished (Lamont Evans, Chuck Person, Book Richardson, Tony Bland) are black; none of the white coaches (Self, Pitino, Miller, Pearl, Wade) have been punished yet. Penny will be the first and only coach punished for 12k in moving expenses that was paid when he was sending Wiseman and Jeffries to Kentucky, Lomax to Wichita and Boyce to UAB?
One component to the IARP that is both good and bad, is that they can do their own investigating. So they can find more, but they have to be up on NCAA rules, they are also able to investigate and decide on punishment based on the facts, precedent and context. They have everything they need on wiretap to get a sense of scale when it comes to what we did, compared to Louisville, Arizona, Kansas, Auburn and LSU.
In the end, it shouldn't matter what you know and don't know. It should come down to the rules, context, and the school's knowledge and complicity or lack thereof.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2021 01:55 PM by Stammers.)
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