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Nothing will come of this other than 2 vacated wins.

Only reason we went with the IARP is probably because we felt he NCAA was butthurt about Wiseman getting a restraining order so we didn't want to leave it in their hands.
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(10-06-2021 06:39 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Memphis played Wiseman 3 games before sitting him. At the most, the NCAA should mandate Penny miss 3 games. That would be the reasonable thing to do but this is the NCAA.

Oh he's going to miss games but much more than 3.
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(10-06-2021 09:54 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 06:39 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Memphis played Wiseman 3 games before sitting him. At the most, the NCAA should mandate Penny miss 3 games. That would be the reasonable thing to do but this is the NCAA.

Oh he's going to miss games but much more than 3.

Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.
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(10-06-2021 09:54 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 06:39 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Memphis played Wiseman 3 games before sitting him. At the most, the NCAA should mandate Penny miss 3 games. That would be the reasonable thing to do but this is the NCAA.

Oh he's going to miss games but much more than 3.

My guess is five games. Then we can all move on.
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(10-06-2021 09:44 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Nothing will come of this other than 2 vacated wins.

Only reason we went with the IARP is probably because we felt he NCAA was butthurt about Wiseman getting a restraining order so we didn't want to leave it in their hands.

I guess it all depends. When the NCAA investigated Rose they had a fallback (his brother flew for free, impermissible benefit) in case the SAT cheating thing didn't work. Hopefully they don't have another infraction up their sleeve.
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If we get penalized it won't be so much because of the Wiseman payment thing. It will be because the school played him when the NCAA said not to. We basically gave them the middle finger. We will pay for that. JMO.
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(10-06-2021 11:37 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  If we get penalized it won't be so much because of the Wiseman payment thing. It will be because the school played him when the NCAA said not to. We basically gave them the middle finger. We will pay for that. JMO.

We had no choice, there was a court order. We couldn't ignore that.
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(10-06-2021 10:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 09:54 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 06:39 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Memphis played Wiseman 3 games before sitting him. At the most, the NCAA should mandate Penny miss 3 games. That would be the reasonable thing to do but this is the NCAA.

Oh he's going to miss games but much more than 3.

Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.

As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.

The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.

Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.

The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.

Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.

Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.

Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.

In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.

Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.

New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.
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(10-06-2021 12:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 11:37 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  If we get penalized it won't be so much because of the Wiseman payment thing. It will be because the school played him when the NCAA said not to. We basically gave them the middle finger. We will pay for that. JMO.

We had no choice, there was a court order. We couldn't ignore that.

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(10-06-2021 12:20 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 09:54 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 06:39 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Memphis played Wiseman 3 games before sitting him. At the most, the NCAA should mandate Penny miss 3 games. That would be the reasonable thing to do but this is the NCAA.

Oh he's going to miss games but much more than 3.

Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.

As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.

The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.

Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.

The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.

Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.

Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.

Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.

In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.

Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.

New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.

They cannot be unbiased and claim a level 1 violation. This was disclosed to the NCAA prior to Wiseman enrolling and they cleared it. This is dramatically different than the OK State situation.
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(10-06-2021 12:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:20 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 09:54 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 06:39 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Memphis played Wiseman 3 games before sitting him. At the most, the NCAA should mandate Penny miss 3 games. That would be the reasonable thing to do but this is the NCAA.

Oh he's going to miss games but much more than 3.

Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.

As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.

The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.

Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.

The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.

Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.

Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.

Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.

In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.

Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.

New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.

They cannot be unbiased and claim a level 1 violation. This was disclosed to the NCAA prior to Wiseman enrolling and they cleared it. This is dramatically different than the OK State situation.
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(10-06-2021 12:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:20 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 09:54 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 06:39 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Memphis played Wiseman 3 games before sitting him. At the most, the NCAA should mandate Penny miss 3 games. That would be the reasonable thing to do but this is the NCAA.

Oh he's going to miss games but much more than 3.

Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.

As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.

The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.

Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.

The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.

Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.

Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.

Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.

In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.

Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.

New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.

They cannot be unbiased and claim a level 1 violation. This was disclosed to the NCAA prior to Wiseman enrolling and they cleared it. This is dramatically different than the OK State situation.

...was informed it was not disclosed prior not sure where you heard it was - hopes this helps...several steps to clearing a player like a 5 star, different than most players - you can get an initial clearing - they then take a deeper dive if they feel necessary, which they did...disclosure came then...they NCAA reached out to Memphis at the time, which did not know about this and they both opened a joint investigation.

Not cut or dry either way - it's according to how you look at it.
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(10-06-2021 12:56 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:20 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 09:54 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  Oh he's going to miss games but much more than 3.

Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.

As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.

The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.

Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.

The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.

Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.

Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.

Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.

In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.

Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.

New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.

They cannot be unbiased and claim a level 1 violation. This was disclosed to the NCAA prior to Wiseman enrolling and they cleared it. This is dramatically different than the OK State situation.

...it was not disclosed prior not sure where you heard it was - hopes this helps

CA Link:
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...155073002/

Quote:Perhaps, as Wiseman’s attorneys argued Friday, there’s a way to prove Hardaway shouldn’t have been considered a booster. Perhaps, as they disclosed in the lawsuit Friday, the fact that Hardaway and Wiseman allegedly disclosed the $11,500 in moving expenses to the NCAA during its initial eligibility ruling in May will convince a judge to rule in Wiseman’s favor.
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(10-06-2021 12:56 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:20 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 09:54 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  Oh he's going to miss games but much more than 3.

Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.

As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.

The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.

Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.

The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.

Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.

Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.

Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.

In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.

Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.

New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.

They cannot be unbiased and claim a level 1 violation. This was disclosed to the NCAA prior to Wiseman enrolling and they cleared it. This is dramatically different than the OK State situation.

...was informed it was not disclosed prior not sure where you heard it was - hopes this helps...several steps to clearing a player like a 5 star, different than most players - you can get an initial clearing - they then take a deeper dive if they feel necessary, which they did...disclosure came then...they NCAA reached out to Memphis at the time, which did not know about this and they both opened a joint investigation.

Not cut or dry either way - it's according to how you look at it.

When the NCAA cleared him in May, it had already been disclosed.
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(10-06-2021 12:58 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:56 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:20 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.

As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.

The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.

Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.

The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.

Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.

Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.

Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.

In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.

Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.

New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.

They cannot be unbiased and claim a level 1 violation. This was disclosed to the NCAA prior to Wiseman enrolling and they cleared it. This is dramatically different than the OK State situation.

...it was not disclosed prior not sure where you heard it was - hopes this helps

CA Link:
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...155073002/

Quote:Perhaps, as Wiseman’s attorneys argued Friday, there’s a way to prove Hardaway shouldn’t have been considered a booster. Perhaps, as they disclosed in the lawsuit Friday, the fact that Hardaway and Wiseman allegedly disclosed the $11,500 in moving expenses to the NCAA during its initial eligibility ruling in May will convince a judge to rule in Wiseman’s favor.

Not going to get into a debate on whether Penny was a booster or not, he is listed as such in every Football publication as an Ambassador and deemed so by the University.

In this process, there is not court involved, no attorneys, the university has to accept the outcome - lets hope this comes out better than those who are running the university think its going to come out. They feel that way for a reason and they are much closer to it.

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Griffin, my sense is the same as yours. And it is very quiet. The silence is deafening.
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(10-06-2021 01:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:56 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:20 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.

As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.

The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.

Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.

The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.

Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.

Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.

Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.

In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.

Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.

New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.

They cannot be unbiased and claim a level 1 violation. This was disclosed to the NCAA prior to Wiseman enrolling and they cleared it. This is dramatically different than the OK State situation.

...was informed it was not disclosed prior not sure where you heard it was - hopes this helps...several steps to clearing a player like a 5 star, different than most players - you can get an initial clearing - they then take a deeper dive if they feel necessary, which they did...disclosure came then...they NCAA reached out to Memphis at the time, which did not know about this and they both opened a joint investigation.

Not cut or dry either way - it's according to how you look at it.

When the NCAA cleared him in May, it had already been disclosed.
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RE: All IARP cases - timelines by Oct 11
(10-06-2021 01:19 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  Griffin, my sense is the same as yours. And it is very quiet. The silence is deafening.

Let's truly hope w the change in the social climate and the focus on the NIL change - we get a big pass and the IARP process decides to send a message of "understanding and a path of compassion" to somewhat kick off a new era of what occurred and where they are trying to go.

I could see that path - probability is low yet I could see it.
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RE: All IARP cases - timelines by Oct 11
(10-06-2021 12:56 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:20 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 09:54 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  Oh he's going to miss games but much more than 3.

Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.

As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.

The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.

Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.

The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.

Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.

Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.

Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.

In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.

Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.

New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.

They cannot be unbiased and claim a level 1 violation. This was disclosed to the NCAA prior to Wiseman enrolling and they cleared it. This is dramatically different than the OK State situation.

...was informed it was not disclosed prior not sure where you heard it was - hopes this helps...several steps to clearing a player like a 5 star, different than most players - you can get an initial clearing - they then take a deeper dive if they feel necessary, which they did...disclosure came then...they NCAA reached out to Memphis at the time, which did not know about this and they both opened a joint investigation.

Not cut or dry either way - it's according to how you look at it.

When the payment was made, Wiseman wasn't even on our radar. 6 months before Penny took the job, Tubby hadn't recruited him, and he didn't even have an offer from us. Not only was Penny not recruiting him to Memphis, he also steered Lomax, Boyce, Dandridge, and Jeffries AWAY from Memphis. He sent Lomax to a conference rival even though he is his guardian and both of them are Memphians, Jeffries had already committed to Kentucky, and Boyce had already committed to UAB. Clearly, in no shape or form resembling a staffer at Oklahoma State getting recruits paid tens of thousands of dollars to attend Oklahoma State.

Wiseman NOT Offered By Memphis In 2017

Essentially, you can prove that Penny recruited AGAINST Memphis right up to the day he got the job. So, is he a booster? Yes. Was he acting in the best interests of Memphis when he was an AAU coach? Clearly, he was acting directly against the best interests of the school.

Big difference.
10-06-2021 01:22 PM
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RE: All IARP cases - timelines by Oct 11
(10-06-2021 01:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:56 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:44 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:20 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Penny aint getting suspended...

He didn't do anything wrong as far as the NCAA is concerned.

Yeah he broke a bunch of TSAA rules...But he didn't break any NCAA rules when he paid Wiseman.

As much of a pain this is unless something changes within the NCAA - Booster - paid money to HS Player, that HS player can't go to school where booster is a booster. Level 1 violation.

The IARP path is only for complicated or serious cases - that alone tells you this is far more than the probability of getting a slap on the wrist or it would not have be have been accepted.

Lets hope w the NIL deals there is a lighter sentence coming. This is the first case coming out of the IARP process - hard for me to believe it will be light - the probability is too great for a simple slap on the wrist.

The IARP group is not the NCAA, its a different path w a entire different group of people who are outside the NCAA. They can accept the evidence obtained by the NCAA or/and do their own diligence.

Worth going to site to read up on who is on which panel and what their charter states.

Lady from UT on there btw - all from outside the NCAA - some sports arbitrators etc - those may help.

Oklahoma State for one Level 1 violation received 2 years probation, no NCAA and Conference tourney for one year plus about 6 or so other sanctions.

In hindsight, it was not a good idea to play Wiseman regardless of anyone's opinion on this - there will be a penalty to pay for this.

Let's hope the strung out process helps. Based on who I have spoken with, there is hope this will not be serious - you only "hope" when you expect the news to be bad.

New process - part of me wants this to be over with because it is being used against us and not for the NIL, this would have been a tough road. Other part is wanting to enjoy the season and get the news in April and deal with it then.

They cannot be unbiased and claim a level 1 violation. This was disclosed to the NCAA prior to Wiseman enrolling and they cleared it. This is dramatically different than the OK State situation.

...was informed it was not disclosed prior not sure where you heard it was - hopes this helps...several steps to clearing a player like a 5 star, different than most players - you can get an initial clearing - they then take a deeper dive if they feel necessary, which they did...disclosure came then...they NCAA reached out to Memphis at the time, which did not know about this and they both opened a joint investigation.

Not cut or dry either way - it's according to how you look at it.

When the payment was made, Wiseman wasn't even on our radar. 6 months before Penny took the job, Tubby hadn't recruited him, and he didn't even have an offer from us. Not only was Penny not recruiting him to Memphis, he also steered Lomax, Boyce, Dandridge, and Jeffries AWAY from Memphis. He sent Lomax to a conference rival even though he is his guardian and both of them are Memphians, Jeffries had already committed to Kentucky, and Boyce had already committed to UAB. Clearly, in no shape or form resembling a staffer at Oklahoma State getting recruits paid tens of thousands of dollars to attend Oklahoma State.

Wiseman NOT Offered By Memphis In 2017

Essentially, you can prove that Penny recruited AGAINST Memphis right up to the day he got the job. So, is he a booster? Yes. Was he acting in the best interests of Memphis when he was an AAU coach? Clearly, he was acting directly against the best interests of the school.

Big difference.

The NCAA disagrees with you, hence the pending IARP case. They call the shots.
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