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(10-25-2021 04:20 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 11:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Lowery’s FG to put us up 10-7 looked like something I used to kick at Nippert drunk after the bars closed. Lol

Reminded me of the football version of what you get with the "get a kid out of the stands at halftime of a basketball game and have them take a half court or 3/4 court shot for book money" contest type of shot.

But I wasn't worried about it being pretty, just whether it went through. I was actually not terrified of the game coming down to a kick for once. Don't get me wrong, I was totally a wreck that the game was as close as it was (thank God for the W) but I was confident either kicker was going to get it through the uprights if called upon.

That said, I hope Cole recovers - both physically and from a kick accuracy standpoint.

What happened to Batman? He could kick field goals!

(10-10-2021 08:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 07:42 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 02:26 PM)ZCat Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 08:47 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Hey, we've operated under the rule that any 4th down and inside 6 yards between the 20s is a go-down in High School, and we've probably won 2-3 more games each of the last two seasons because of it.

Between the 20’s?
You must have a great D

You improve your offense more than you compromise your defense when the offense knows it has 4 downs almost every time.

Exactly....sure we have given up some short field TDs, but we've extended a LOT more drives because we only need 2.5 yards per play instead of 3.3 yards if we punt on 4th. I haven't pulled all of the data on the year to this point, but last year we were 71% on 4th down conversions and knowing that a high school punter is anything but consistent...we basically got down to the idea that the potential of extending a possession was far more important than the 30 yards or so in field position we would be earning. The leap took a lot, but it has truly changed how our entire offensive gameplan is setup.

Thanks Mark & BearcatMan!

Explained well. I can see many punts with net 20 yards. Plus if by using 4 downs you advance to the 50 and the drive stalls, you come out ahead vs punting from the 20.

Some of you may have heard of Kevin Kelley an American football coach currently serving as the head coach at Presbyterian College. Prior to his hiring at Presbyterian, Kelley was most recently the head football coach and athletic director at Pulaski Academy in Little Rock, Arkansas, where he won nine AAA state championships and employed a unique strategy that involved rarely punting and almost always attempting onside kicks and two-point conversions.

(10-26-2021 12:36 AM)ZCat Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 08:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 07:42 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 02:26 PM)ZCat Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 08:47 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Hey, we've operated under the rule that any 4th down and inside 6 yards between the 20s is a go-down in High School, and we've probably won 2-3 more games each of the last two seasons because of it.

Between the 20’s?
You must have a great D

You improve your offense more than you compromise your defense when the offense knows it has 4 downs almost every time.

Exactly....sure we have given up some short field TDs, but we've extended a LOT more drives because we only need 2.5 yards per play instead of 3.3 yards if we punt on 4th. I haven't pulled all of the data on the year to this point, but last year we were 71% on 4th down conversions and knowing that a high school punter is anything but consistent...we basically got down to the idea that the potential of extending a possession was far more important than the 30 yards or so in field position we would be earning. The leap took a lot, but it has truly changed how our entire offensive gameplan is setup.

Thanks Mark & BearcatMan!

Explained well. I can see many punts with net 20 yards. Plus if by using 4 downs you advance to the 50 and the drive stalls, you come out ahead vs punting from the 20.

This makes a lot more sense in high school than in college.

If doesn't make much sense at all if you have someone like James Smith, Pat O'Donnell, or Kevin Huber.

In the NFL, there's very little "4-down territory." If you're at the 35, you're close enough to have a reasonable chance of making a field goal. If you're at the 50, you're far enough away that your punter can flip the field. Even between the 35 & 50, anything farther than 4th-and-5 has such a low probability of success that you may as well punt (or try a field goal if you're within the 42 - NFL kickers are rroughly 50-50 on 59 yard field goals nowadays and they're getting better every decade).

(10-25-2021 02:27 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I shudder to think what may have happened if we missed one or both of those field goals at Navy. Hope this game will serve as a wake-up call to the team. Have to be prepared to take everyone's best shot with a target on your back.

If the game was closer we would not have shutdown the offense in Q4. Overall, I think Fick has gone into a protect Des mode as exemplified by his reduced running. Up 2 TDs I doubt the actual finish was abticipated.

(10-26-2021 07:50 AM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 02:27 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I shudder to think what may have happened if we missed one or both of those field goals at Navy. Hope this game will serve as a wake-up call to the team. Have to be prepared to take everyone's best shot with a target on your back.

If the game was closer we would not have shutdown the offense in Q4. Overall, I think Fick has gone into a protect Des mode as exemplified by his reduced running. Up 2 TDs I doubt the actual finish was abticipated.

Yeah...we went into "get out healthy" mode after going up 17. It was pretty clear at that point that we wanted to shorten the game as much as possible and move onto next week as far as the play calling was concerned.

(10-26-2021 06:03 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 12:36 AM)ZCat Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 08:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 07:42 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 02:26 PM)ZCat Wrote:  Between the 20’s?
You must have a great D

You improve your offense more than you compromise your defense when the offense knows it has 4 downs almost every time.

Exactly....sure we have given up some short field TDs, but we've extended a LOT more drives because we only need 2.5 yards per play instead of 3.3 yards if we punt on 4th. I haven't pulled all of the data on the year to this point, but last year we were 71% on 4th down conversions and knowing that a high school punter is anything but consistent...we basically got down to the idea that the potential of extending a possession was far more important than the 30 yards or so in field position we would be earning. The leap took a lot, but it has truly changed how our entire offensive gameplan is setup.

Thanks Mark & BearcatMan!

Explained well. I can see many punts with net 20 yards. Plus if by using 4 downs you advance to the 50 and the drive stalls, you come out ahead vs punting from the 20.

This makes a lot more sense in high school than in college.

If doesn't make much sense at all if you have someone like James Smith, Pat O'Donnell, or Kevin Huber.

In the NFL, there's very little "4-down territory." If you're at the 35, you're close enough to have a reasonable chance of making a field goal. If you're at the 50, you're far enough away that your punter can flip the field. Even between the 35 & 50, anything farther than 4th-and-5 has such a low probability of success that you may as well punt (or try a field goal if you're within the 42 - NFL kickers are rroughly 50-50 on 59 yard field goals nowadays and they're getting better every decade).

Actually, there has been an increase in the amount of fourth down conversions attempted in both college and the pros. The numbers showing the value in going for it on fourth down are too obvious to ignore.