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(10-11-2021 11:03 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Tulane brings only a partial New Orleans market and a losing program with no statewide following. The Acadiana area of Louisiana has over 1M people and that doesn't include the Baton Rouge market. Louisiana is one of he best recruiting states in the country. Having a public and a private university from the state in the same conference would be a good thing. How many states have 2 or more teams in the same conference? Florida, Alabama, Miss., Tennessee, Texas, N. Carolina, California, Arizona, to name a few.

Louisiana isn't a wealthy or big enough state for 2 teams to be appealing to AAC university presidents when one is already located in the state's epicenter (New Orleans).

Two teams in the same state can be appealing to those same presidents if the location being considered is San Antonio, Houston, Charlotte, etc.

If Tulane wasn't in the AAC, Louisiana's chances would be significantly higher.

There are a lot of things to like about Louisiana, but location considering Tulane/New Orleans is already in the league and the heavily urban-centric makeup of the league, is definitely a negative for them. As long as Tulane is in the league, that part will be a tough sell to AAC presidents.
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(10-11-2021 12:58 PM)All4One Wrote:  In the last available cycle Louisiana-Lafayette brought in less than $33 Million in revenue. That's not $40 Million. Not even close. Only three D1 public schools outside the Power 5, AAC, and Moutain West make +$40 Million in revenue--James Madison, Old Dominion, and Buffalo.

Furthermore, Louisiana-Lafayette spent over $37 Million, which means your school actually lost money. Did your school get their heads out of their financial asses during the COVID season? We don't know yet. That data is not available.

You may reconsider setting up JMU as an examplar school that "makes" $40m+ in "revenue", to contrast against Louisiana ... according to the details available at your link, 70%+ of JMU's revenue is student fees, versus about 2% of Louisiana's. Indeed, JMU channels $40m directly from student fees into their Athletic Department, while Louisiana channels less than $20m via Institutional/Government support and Student Fees. Adding a less than $5m 2019 deficit at Louisiana doesn't actually swing that comparison.

The point IWokeUpLikeThis makes is more central to the issue ... the state of Louisiana has a population of 5m, while Texas has nearly 30m, with the large majority in the eastern half of the state ... simply the DFW or Houston metro areas are more people than the state of Louisiana, and the regions centered on Austin or San Antonio are each similar.
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(10-12-2021 10:15 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 10:12 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  
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(10-11-2021 12:58 PM)All4One Wrote:  Maybe you should do your research before challenging someone on facts.

In the last available cycle Louisiana-Lafayette brought in less than $33 Million in revenue. That's not $40 Million. Not even close. Only three D1 public schools outside the Power 5, AAC, and Moutain West make +$40 Million in revenue--James Madison, Old Dominion, and Buffalo.

Furthermore, Louisiana-Lafayette spent over $37 Million, which means your school actually lost money. Did your school get their heads out of their financial asses during the COVID season? We don't know yet. That data is not available.


http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/fbs/sunbelt


Just so we’re clear, when we discuss “budget”, we are referring more closely to expenditures than revenue. The argument against Rice is a good example of this. We don’t care how much you have, how much you make, or whether you are mortgaging your future viability, as long as you are spending it.


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I can't imagine how spending millions more than you have, which is habitual for Louisiana-Lafayette, is good for long-term stability.

….and we have raised $59M so far this year. Your obsession with Louisiana is unhealthy.

In 2012 LaTech had a $20M budget, Louisiana had a $17M budget. In 2021 LaTech will have a $27M budget, Louisiana will have a $40M budget.

And what percentage is subsidized by student fees?

We don’t have any student fees.
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(10-13-2021 10:53 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  We don’t have any student fees.

The Knight Commission site lists ~2% student fee revenue. That is indeed awfully low to be a dedicated student fee for the Athletic Department ... there might be some facilities used by the Athletic Department and also student recreation which has some student fee support that is getting counted under the Knight Commission accounting rules.
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(10-13-2021 10:56 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 10:53 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  We don’t have any student fees.

The Knight Commission site lists ~2% student fee revenue. That is indeed awfully low to be a dedicated student fee for the Athletic Department ... there might be some facilities used by the Athletic Department and also student recreation which has some student fee support that is getting counted under the Knight Commission accounting rules.

That would be correct. The students voted on a facilities fee that help pay for the IPF. But that fee also paid for three different renovations for student specific buildings. So there is a facilities fee in place, but no dedicated student athletic fee.
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(10-11-2021 09:44 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:15 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:09 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(10-08-2021 10:31 PM)e-bethMSU Wrote:  I don't think it should be just 2 additions - or that the AAC ought to expand to 14 schools either. Instead I believe that the AAC should add 4 (for now) - get to 12 in football (with Navy) and 12 in Olympic sports (with Wichita State). Eventually, I expect Memphis to get called up - and when that happens, I think you guys should add either Appy State, Coastal Carolina or Louisiana to replace us.

My picks would be: UAB (of course) Marshall (about time), Toledo and La-Tech (or Louisiana).

I'd put Navy in the east and let them choose their cross-over opponents (so they can play in Texas if they want to). But Rice isn't a good strategic move long term, so there is only going to be one Texas school for them to schedule anyway. They can play at SMU every year if Texas is such an important recruiting tool. I'm sure MSU wouldn't mind always playing host. If they don't like it - let them leave. It makes no sense for UAB to play all the time in the east when they're a southern school a few hours drive from 3 conference mates.

The isolation of USF is unavoidable and strategically, they shouldn't even want us to elevate another Florida school that they would then have to recruit against.

W: Tulsa, SMU, La-Tech or Louisiana, Tulane, Memphis, UAB
E: Temple, Toledo, Navy, Marshall, ECU, USF


IMO, the AAC should take the best of the SBC and CUSA and expand to 16 and make it the top G5 conference. In doing so, the AAC moves to 4 Locational Pods with natural geographic rivalries:

1. Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, UAB
2. Louisiana, UTSA, Rice, Tulane
3. Temple, Navy, ECU, Marshall
4. USF, FAU, App State, Coastal/Liberty

The AAC adds a combination of markets in San Antonio, Birmingham, Miami area and recaptures Houston with solid programs in Louisiana, App State, Marshall and either Coastal or Liberty.

This would then force the SBC and CUSA to combine into a single conference - call it CUSA, who could also have 4 pods:

1. Ark State, ULM, W. KY, MTSU
2. N. Texas, Texas State, LA Tech, S. Miss
3. ODU, Charlotte, GA State, Coastal/Liberty
4. FIU, Troy, S. Alabama, GA Southern

UTEP and NMSU are added to the MWC where they belong!

There are now 4 G5 conferences - AAC, MWC, MAC, CUSA

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I agree. Why would the AAC add a school like Louisiana-Lafayette who can't generate enough revenue to offset their expenditures? Besides, they don't need another Louisiana school when they have Tulane.
You are not from the South, therefore you really know nothing about Louisiana or Tulane, otherwise you would not have made that comment. Tulane is a very elite private school in New Orleans. I would put Tulane's a academics on par with Duke or Stanford. Because of this, Tulane often resorts to recruiting students from New England or other northern Atlantic states. Once the students graduate, they often leave New Orleans to go back home.
Not the same with the University of Louisiana, whose students tend to stay near the Lafayette, Louisiana area.

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(10-11-2021 12:58 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 11:03 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:44 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:15 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:09 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  IMO, the AAC should take the best of the SBC and CUSA and expand to 16 and make it the top G5 conference. In doing so, the AAC moves to 4 Locational Pods with natural geographic rivalries:

1. Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, UAB
2. Louisiana, UTSA, Rice, Tulane
3. Temple, Navy, ECU, Marshall
4. USF, FAU, App State, Coastal/Liberty

The AAC adds a combination of markets in San Antonio, Birmingham, Miami area and recaptures Houston with solid programs in Louisiana, App State, Marshall and either Coastal or Liberty.

This would then force the SBC and CUSA to combine into a single conference - call it CUSA, who could also have 4 pods:

1. Ark State, ULM, W. KY, MTSU
2. N. Texas, Texas State, LA Tech, S. Miss
3. ODU, Charlotte, GA State, Coastal/Liberty
4. FIU, Troy, S. Alabama, GA Southern

UTEP and NMSU are added to the MWC where they belong!

There are now 4 G5 conferences - AAC, MWC, MAC, CUSA

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I agree. Why would the AAC add a school like Louisiana-Lafayette who can't generate enough revenue to offset their expenditures? Besides, they don't need another Louisiana school when they have Tulane.

B.S. You are thinking ULM who has the lowest budget in FCS football. Louisiana has a $40M budget and growing and is about to start a major renovation to its football stadium that already seats over 40,000. Tulane brings only a partial New Orleans market and a losing program with no statewide following. The Acadiana area of Louisiana has over 1M people and that doesn't include the Baton Rouge market. Louisiana is one of he best recruiting states in the country. Having a public and a private university from the state in the same conference would be a good thing. How many states have 2 or more teams in the same conference? Florida, Alabama, Miss., Tennessee, Texas, N. Carolina, California, Arizona, to name a few.


Maybe you should do your research before challenging someone on facts.

In the last available cycle Louisiana-Lafayette brought in less than $33 Million in revenue. That's not $40 Million. Not even close. Only three D1 public schools outside the Power 5, AAC, and Moutain West make +$40 Million in revenue--James Madison, Old Dominion, and Buffalo.

Furthermore, Louisiana-Lafayette spent over $37 Million, which means your school actually lost money. Did your school get their heads out of their financial asses during the COVID season? We don't know yet. That data is not available.


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Give it up CCD. Your post was found to be full of errors, so now you move the goalposts since you have been called out on your errors.

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(10-13-2021 11:14 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:44 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:15 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:09 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(10-08-2021 10:31 PM)e-bethMSU Wrote:  I don't think it should be just 2 additions - or that the AAC ought to expand to 14 schools either. Instead I believe that the AAC should add 4 (for now) - get to 12 in football (with Navy) and 12 in Olympic sports (with Wichita State). Eventually, I expect Memphis to get called up - and when that happens, I think you guys should add either Appy State, Coastal Carolina or Louisiana to replace us.

My picks would be: UAB (of course) Marshall (about time), Toledo and La-Tech (or Louisiana).

I'd put Navy in the east and let them choose their cross-over opponents (so they can play in Texas if they want to). But Rice isn't a good strategic move long term, so there is only going to be one Texas school for them to schedule anyway. They can play at SMU every year if Texas is such an important recruiting tool. I'm sure MSU wouldn't mind always playing host. If they don't like it - let them leave. It makes no sense for UAB to play all the time in the east when they're a southern school a few hours drive from 3 conference mates.

The isolation of USF is unavoidable and strategically, they shouldn't even want us to elevate another Florida school that they would then have to recruit against.

W: Tulsa, SMU, La-Tech or Louisiana, Tulane, Memphis, UAB
E: Temple, Toledo, Navy, Marshall, ECU, USF


IMO, the AAC should take the best of the SBC and CUSA and expand to 16 and make it the top G5 conference. In doing so, the AAC moves to 4 Locational Pods with natural geographic rivalries:

1. Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, UAB
2. Louisiana, UTSA, Rice, Tulane
3. Temple, Navy, ECU, Marshall
4. USF, FAU, App State, Coastal/Liberty

The AAC adds a combination of markets in San Antonio, Birmingham, Miami area and recaptures Houston with solid programs in Louisiana, App State, Marshall and either Coastal or Liberty.

This would then force the SBC and CUSA to combine into a single conference - call it CUSA, who could also have 4 pods:

1. Ark State, ULM, W. KY, MTSU
2. N. Texas, Texas State, LA Tech, S. Miss
3. ODU, Charlotte, GA State, Coastal/Liberty
4. FIU, Troy, S. Alabama, GA Southern

UTEP and NMSU are added to the MWC where they belong!

There are now 4 G5 conferences - AAC, MWC, MAC, CUSA

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I agree. Why would the AAC add a school like Louisiana-Lafayette who can't generate enough revenue to offset their expenditures? Besides, they don't need another Louisiana school when they have Tulane.
You are not from the South, therefore you really know nothing about Louisiana or Tulane, otherwise you would not have made that comment. Tulane is a very elite private school in New Orleans. I would put Tulane's a academics on par with Duke or Stanford. Because of this, Tulane often resorts to recruiting students from New England or other northern Atlantic states. Once the students graduate, they often leave New Orleans to go back home.
Not the same with the University of Louisiana, whose students tend to stay near the Lafayette, Louisiana area.

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Actually, I am from the South, and I'm very well aware of UL-Lafayette and Tulane. I have been to both schools' campuses and am very well aware of Tulane's academics. I never questioned Tulane's academics. They have one of the Top 4 endowments among all Gang of 5 schools . Also, if you don't like the data from the Knight Commission, then just say so. No one is moving goalposts. The data is either wrong, or it's correct. My numbers came straight from the Knight Commission. I even acknowledged that it could be out of date. If you have updated data, then why not provide the source?
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(10-13-2021 12:49 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(10-13-2021 11:14 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:44 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:15 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 09:09 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  IMO, the AAC should take the best of the SBC and CUSA and expand to 16 and make it the top G5 conference. In doing so, the AAC moves to 4 Locational Pods with natural geographic rivalries:

1. Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, UAB
2. Louisiana, UTSA, Rice, Tulane
3. Temple, Navy, ECU, Marshall
4. USF, FAU, App State, Coastal/Liberty

The AAC adds a combination of markets in San Antonio, Birmingham, Miami area and recaptures Houston with solid programs in Louisiana, App State, Marshall and either Coastal or Liberty.

This would then force the SBC and CUSA to combine into a single conference - call it CUSA, who could also have 4 pods:

1. Ark State, ULM, W. KY, MTSU
2. N. Texas, Texas State, LA Tech, S. Miss
3. ODU, Charlotte, GA State, Coastal/Liberty
4. FIU, Troy, S. Alabama, GA Southern

UTEP and NMSU are added to the MWC where they belong!

There are now 4 G5 conferences - AAC, MWC, MAC, CUSA

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I agree. Why would the AAC add a school like Louisiana-Lafayette who can't generate enough revenue to offset their expenditures? Besides, they don't need another Louisiana school when they have Tulane.
You are not from the South, therefore you really know nothing about Louisiana or Tulane, otherwise you would not have made that comment. Tulane is a very elite private school in New Orleans. I would put Tulane's a academics on par with Duke or Stanford. Because of this, Tulane often resorts to recruiting students from New England or other northern Atlantic states. Once the students graduate, they often leave New Orleans to go back home.
Not the same with the University of Louisiana, whose students tend to stay near the Lafayette, Louisiana area.

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Actually, I am from the South, and I'm very well aware of UL-Lafayette and Tulane. I have been to both schools' campuses and am very well aware of Tulane's academics. I never questioned Tulane's academics. They have one of the Top 4 endowments among all Gang of 5 schools . Also, if you don't like the data from the Knight Commission, then just say so. No one is moving goalposts. The data is either wrong, or it's correct. My numbers came straight from the Knight Commission. I even acknowledged that it could be out of date. If you have updated data, then why not provide the source?

83% of Tulane’s students are from out of state. It’s the main reason they don’t have a large presence in anywhere in Louisiana.
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