(10-02-2021 08:12 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  App. Marshall, UAB, Georgia State.

These are the four all sports schools that make the most sense to me. Maybe Rice too. I would take four of those five and call it a day.

The AAC should consider Buffalo and UMASS to help Temple out, then consider UAB, and Liberty which would also be good additions. If AAC also loses SMU, Memphis and USF as has been rumored, they could consider JMU, Louisiana Tech, and Charlotte. AAC could lose Tulsa and Wichita State to MWC as they would now be the outliers. If that happens, AAC should add ODU.

NE/Mid-Atlantic: UMASS, Buffalo, Temple, JMU, Liberty and ODU.

Southeast: East Carolina, Charlotte, UAB, Tulane, Navy, and Louisiana Tech

(10-04-2021 02:49 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  The AAC should consider Buffalo and UMASS to help Temple out, then consider UAB, and Liberty which would also be good additions. If AAC also loses SMU, Memphis and USF as has been rumored, they could consider JMU, Louisiana Tech, and Charlotte. AAC could lose Tulsa and Wichita State to MWC as they would now be the outliers. If that happens, AAC should add ODU.

NE/Mid-Atlantic: UMASS, Buffalo, Temple, JMU, Liberty and ODU.

Southeast: East Carolina, Charlotte, UAB, Tulane, Navy, and Louisiana Tech

Besides losing Boise State to the Big 12, the MWC could loose San Diego State and Nevada to PAC 12, leaving the MWC needing to add schools. Top Options to target would be Tulsa, UTSA, Rice and Wichita State and perhaps Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

After Southern Miss and Marshall move over to the Belt, that would leave hapless CUSA needing to add tems to join, FAU/FIU, MT/WKU NT/UTEP. They could add Jacksonville State, EKU, Lamar, Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin and NMSU to remain as part of G5.

(10-03-2021 03:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  It'd be INSANE to even think of barking up their tree:
- UCONN (they already left; not gonna happen; plus their football SUCKS anyway)
- UMASS (the MAC kicked them out; their BBall goodness is from the 90s, man; their football SUCKS)

Basically I'd say the 6 best to add to try and get 4 out of would be:
- Coastal Carolina
- App State
- Buffalo
- Marshall
- LA Tech
- Louisiana

UMass didn’t get kicked out, they chose not to join for full membership. Which I think was a mistake.

Your choices are all based on how good the football team is currently. Coastal will probably be losing their coach after this season, and then what?

That’s just not how these decisions are made.

(10-04-2021 03:13 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 02:49 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  The AAC should consider Buffalo and UMASS to help Temple out, then consider UAB, and Liberty which would also be good additions. If AAC also loses SMU, Memphis and USF as has been rumored, they could consider JMU, Louisiana Tech, and Charlotte. AAC could lose Tulsa and Wichita State to MWC as they would now be the outliers. If that happens, AAC should add ODU.

NE/Mid-Atlantic: UMASS, Buffalo, Temple, JMU, Liberty and ODU.

Southeast: East Carolina, Charlotte, UAB, Tulane, Navy, and Louisiana Tech

Besides losing Boise State to the Big 12, the MWC could loose San Diego State and Nevada to PAC 12, leaving the MWC needing to add schools. Top Options to target would be Tulsa, UTSA, Rice and Wichita State and perhaps Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

After Southern Miss and Marshall move over to the Belt, that would leave hapless CUSA needing to add tems to join, FAU/FIU, MT/WKU NT/UTEP. They could add Jacksonville State, EKU, Lamar, Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin and NMSU to remain as part of G5.

Southern Miss may join the Sun Belt for geographical reasons only, but there's no indication that Marshall will regardless if Keith Gill visits their campus 100 times.

It's been the dream of Sun Belt fans to see the death of Conference USA after 5 schools left for it when Karl Benson became league commissioner--same guy who tried to kill the Sun Belt before the 2005 season started when he was commissioner of the WAC. North Texas and Middle Tennessee were the only two schools that sponsored Sun Belt football in 2004 that left for CUSA in 2012/2013. North Texas turned down the WAC and Middle Tennessee stuck it out in the Sun Belt rather than going to the MAC during the off-season. Sun Belt probably could've gotten a waiver for 2005 with Arkansas State, ULM, UL-Lafayette adding Troy, Florida International and Florida Atlantic in football. FAU and FIU were already in the league in other sports, but without 8 full members the league would've been in jeopardy.

App isn't going anywhere. In addition to trying to recover from the hits endured from Covid we have new $60 mil endzone building, T&F complex, indoor & outdoor tennis facilities, softball stadium and rebuilding the indoor facility to pay for. Even if we wanted to go, which we don't, we don't have the cash for exit & entrance fees.

(10-05-2021 12:27 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 03:13 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 02:49 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  The AAC should consider Buffalo and UMASS to help Temple out, then consider UAB, and Liberty which would also be good additions. If AAC also loses SMU, Memphis and USF as has been rumored, they could consider JMU, Louisiana Tech, and Charlotte. AAC could lose Tulsa and Wichita State to MWC as they would now be the outliers. If that happens, AAC should add ODU.

NE/Mid-Atlantic: UMASS, Buffalo, Temple, JMU, Liberty and ODU.

Southeast: East Carolina, Charlotte, UAB, Tulane, Navy, and Louisiana Tech

Besides losing Boise State to the Big 12, the MWC could loose San Diego State and Nevada to PAC 12, leaving the MWC needing to add schools. Top Options to target would be Tulsa, UTSA, Rice and Wichita State and perhaps Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

After Southern Miss and Marshall move over to the Belt, that would leave hapless CUSA needing to add tems to join, FAU/FIU, MT/WKU NT/UTEP. They could add Jacksonville State, EKU, Lamar, Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin and NMSU to remain as part of G5.

Southern Miss may join the Sun Belt for geographical reasons only, but there's no indication that Marshall will regardless if Keith Gill visits their campus 100 times.

It's been the dream of Sun Belt fans to see the death of Conference USA after 5 schools left for it when Karl Benson became league commissioner--same guy who tried to kill the Sun Belt before the 2005 season started when he was commissioner of the WAC. North Texas and Middle Tennessee were the only two schools that sponsored Sun Belt football in 2004 that left for CUSA in 2012/2013. North Texas turned down the WAC and Middle Tennessee stuck it out in the Sun Belt rather than going to the MAC during the off-season. Sun Belt probably could've gotten a waiver for 2005 with Arkansas State, ULM, UL-Lafayette adding Troy, Florida International and Florida Atlantic in football. FAU and FIU were already in the league in other sports, but without 8 full members the league would've been in jeopardy.

I believe that CUSA will be affected by realignment and at least two school will choose the stronger Sun Belt Conference. When those five teams left the belt for what they thought were greener pastures never materialized and they have not had a lot of success. No Sun Belt team will choose to go to CUSA as it is now seen as the weaker league and the Belt has leaped both the MAC and CUSA. Nolrth Texas was one of four or five schools that the WAC targeted and were turned down. With six full members CUSA will now be in jeopardy that is why they will work fast on the FCS call ups and NMSU.

(10-05-2021 08:18 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 12:27 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 03:13 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 02:49 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  The AAC should consider Buffalo and UMASS to help Temple out, then consider UAB, and Liberty which would also be good additions. If AAC also loses SMU, Memphis and USF as has been rumored, they could consider JMU, Louisiana Tech, and Charlotte. AAC could lose Tulsa and Wichita State to MWC as they would now be the outliers. If that happens, AAC should add ODU.

NE/Mid-Atlantic: UMASS, Buffalo, Temple, JMU, Liberty and ODU.

Southeast: East Carolina, Charlotte, UAB, Tulane, Navy, and Louisiana Tech

Besides losing Boise State to the Big 12, the MWC could loose San Diego State and Nevada to PAC 12, leaving the MWC needing to add schools. Top Options to target would be Tulsa, UTSA, Rice and Wichita State and perhaps Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

After Southern Miss and Marshall move over to the Belt, that would leave hapless CUSA needing to add tems to join, FAU/FIU, MT/WKU NT/UTEP. They could add Jacksonville State, EKU, Lamar, Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin and NMSU to remain as part of G5.

Southern Miss may join the Sun Belt for geographical reasons only, but there's no indication that Marshall will regardless if Keith Gill visits their campus 100 times.

It's been the dream of Sun Belt fans to see the death of Conference USA after 5 schools left for it when Karl Benson became league commissioner--same guy who tried to kill the Sun Belt before the 2005 season started when he was commissioner of the WAC. North Texas and Middle Tennessee were the only two schools that sponsored Sun Belt football in 2004 that left for CUSA in 2012/2013. North Texas turned down the WAC and Middle Tennessee stuck it out in the Sun Belt rather than going to the MAC during the off-season. Sun Belt probably could've gotten a waiver for 2005 with Arkansas State, ULM, UL-Lafayette adding Troy, Florida International and Florida Atlantic in football. FAU and FIU were already in the league in other sports, but without 8 full members the league would've been in jeopardy.

I believe that CUSA will be affected by realignment and at least two school will choose the stronger Sun Belt Conference. When those five teams left the belt for what they thought were greener pastures never materialized and they have not had a lot of success. No Sun Belt team will choose to go to CUSA as it is now seen as the weaker league and the Belt has leaped both the MAC and CUSA. Nolrth Texas was one of four or five schools that the WAC targeted and were turned down. With six full members CUSA will now be in jeopardy that is why they will work fast on the FCS call ups and NMSU.

The most available Knight Commission Financials report disagrees with you.

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/fbs

A weaker league doesn't lose to Norfolk State in an NCAA Tournament play-in game.

(10-02-2021 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB, Buffalo, App St, and LaTech.

Stop at the first 2.

(10-05-2021 07:25 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  App isn't going anywhere. In addition to trying to recover from the hits endured from Covid we have new $60 mil endzone building, T&F complex, indoor & outdoor tennis facilities, softball stadium and rebuilding the indoor facility to pay for. Even if we wanted to go, which we don't, we don't have the cash for exit & entrance fees.

It seems like it won't be long before the SBC could the $40 million dollars the MWC and AAC are getting anyways.

We all know this but its only when you are in CUSA where you'll have a problem getting established.

(10-02-2021 08:12 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  App. Marshall, UAB, Georgia State.

Yes.

(10-05-2021 08:46 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 07:25 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  App isn't going anywhere. In addition to trying to recover from the hits endured from Covid we have new $60 mil endzone building, T&F complex, indoor & outdoor tennis facilities, softball stadium and rebuilding the indoor facility to pay for. Even if we wanted to go, which we don't, we don't have the cash for exit & entrance fees.

It seems like it won't be long before the SBC could the $40 million dollars the MWC and AAC are getting anyways.

We all know this but its only when you are in CUSA where you'll have a problem getting established.

People need to keep in mind App has only been FBS since 2014. We had really good facilities for FCS, but had to make some major improvements to be at the upper level of G5. Our goal to is be on par with anyone in the G5, but that doesn't happen overnight.

If the AAC wants to remain a solid G5 conference after being raided by the Big 12 again losing Memphis, SMU and USF to go along with losing UCF, Cincinnati, Houston leaves the AAC with East Carolina, Navy (football only), Temple, Tulane and Tulsa plus Wichita State (Non-football). Tulsa and Wichita will find themselves a better fit in the MWC.

AAC should invite UMASS, UCONN, Buffalo, JMU, and Liberty to go with Temple and Navy in the northeast and add VCU as a non-football school), while East Carolina and Tulane can be joined by Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, UAB and Louisiana Tech in a southeastern division.

LIBERTY. They have top 25 or near top 25 teams in football, baseball, softball, golf, and field hockey. Their basketball team made the tournament 3 years in a row and has beaten several SEC. teams. Great facilities and plenty of financial resources.

It seems that if the AAC 1. wants four schools; 2. wants each of the four to be at least fairly competitive in both football and hoops; and 3. wants each of the four to have shown a willingness to spend money on athletics, the four would come from a group that includes:

... Buffalo, Charlotte, Liberty, Marshall, North Texas, Old Dominion and UAB.

Maybe I'm missing a program or two.

(10-05-2021 08:46 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB, Buffalo, App St, and LaTech.

Stop at the first 2.

Not unreasonable. If you go to 12---then the next two make sense at that point. There's really nothing wrong with just going to 10 right now.

(10-05-2021 08:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 08:12 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  App. Marshall, UAB, Georgia State.

Yes.

maybe after the 2025 shakeup.

(10-05-2021 12:27 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 03:13 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 02:49 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  The AAC should consider Buffalo and UMASS to help Temple out, then consider UAB, and Liberty which would also be good additions. If AAC also loses SMU, Memphis and USF as has been rumored, they could consider JMU, Louisiana Tech, and Charlotte. AAC could lose Tulsa and Wichita State to MWC as they would now be the outliers. If that happens, AAC should add ODU.

NE/Mid-Atlantic: UMASS, Buffalo, Temple, JMU, Liberty and ODU.

Southeast: East Carolina, Charlotte, UAB, Tulane, Navy, and Louisiana Tech

Besides losing Boise State to the Big 12, the MWC could loose San Diego State and Nevada to PAC 12, leaving the MWC needing to add schools. Top Options to target would be Tulsa, UTSA, Rice and Wichita State and perhaps Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

After Southern Miss and Marshall move over to the Belt, that would leave hapless CUSA needing to add tems to join, FAU/FIU, MT/WKU NT/UTEP. They could add Jacksonville State, EKU, Lamar, Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin and NMSU to remain as part of G5.

Southern Miss may join the Sun Belt for geographical reasons only, but there's no indication that Marshall will regardless if Keith Gill visits their campus 100 times.

It's been the dream of Sun Belt fans to see the death of Conference USA after 5 schools left for it when Karl Benson became league commissioner--same guy who tried to kill the Sun Belt before the 2005 season started when he was commissioner of the WAC. North Texas and Middle Tennessee were the only two schools that sponsored Sun Belt football in 2004 that left for CUSA in 2012/2013. North Texas turned down the WAC and Middle Tennessee stuck it out in the Sun Belt rather than going to the MAC during the off-season. Sun Belt probably could've gotten a waiver for 2005 with Arkansas State, ULM, UL-Lafayette adding Troy, Florida International and Florida Atlantic in football. FAU and FIU were already in the league in other sports, but without 8 full members the league would've been in jeopardy.

Why are you still harping on this nonsense. The SBC IMPROVED!!!! When the 5 programs left. They were replaced with likeminded university’s. That is why the SBC is stable and CUSA is disgruntled.

You’re continued bashing of the SBC comes off as a bitter divorcée. Grow up, act mature and be respectful.

(10-05-2021 04:57 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 12:27 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 03:13 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 02:49 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  The AAC should consider Buffalo and UMASS to help Temple out, then consider UAB, and Liberty which would also be good additions. If AAC also loses SMU, Memphis and USF as has been rumored, they could consider JMU, Louisiana Tech, and Charlotte. AAC could lose Tulsa and Wichita State to MWC as they would now be the outliers. If that happens, AAC should add ODU.

NE/Mid-Atlantic: UMASS, Buffalo, Temple, JMU, Liberty and ODU.

Southeast: East Carolina, Charlotte, UAB, Tulane, Navy, and Louisiana Tech

Besides losing Boise State to the Big 12, the MWC could loose San Diego State and Nevada to PAC 12, leaving the MWC needing to add schools. Top Options to target would be Tulsa, UTSA, Rice and Wichita State and perhaps Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

After Southern Miss and Marshall move over to the Belt, that would leave hapless CUSA needing to add tems to join, FAU/FIU, MT/WKU NT/UTEP. They could add Jacksonville State, EKU, Lamar, Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin and NMSU to remain as part of G5.

Southern Miss may join the Sun Belt for geographical reasons only, but there's no indication that Marshall will regardless if Keith Gill visits their campus 100 times.

It's been the dream of Sun Belt fans to see the death of Conference USA after 5 schools left for it when Karl Benson became league commissioner--same guy who tried to kill the Sun Belt before the 2005 season started when he was commissioner of the WAC. North Texas and Middle Tennessee were the only two schools that sponsored Sun Belt football in 2004 that left for CUSA in 2012/2013. North Texas turned down the WAC and Middle Tennessee stuck it out in the Sun Belt rather than going to the MAC during the off-season. Sun Belt probably could've gotten a waiver for 2005 with Arkansas State, ULM, UL-Lafayette adding Troy, Florida International and Florida Atlantic in football. FAU and FIU were already in the league in other sports, but without 8 full members the league would've been in jeopardy.

Why are you still harping on this nonsense. The SBC IMPROVED!!!! When the 5 programs left. They were replaced with likeminded university’s. That is why the SBC is stable and CUSA is disgruntled.

You’re continued bashing of the SBC comes off as a bitter divorcée. Grow up, act mature and be respectful.

Yes, the SBC is doing okay, in football only.

(10-05-2021 05:59 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 04:57 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 12:27 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 03:13 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 02:49 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  The AAC should consider Buffalo and UMASS to help Temple out, then consider UAB, and Liberty which would also be good additions. If AAC also loses SMU, Memphis and USF as has been rumored, they could consider JMU, Louisiana Tech, and Charlotte. AAC could lose Tulsa and Wichita State to MWC as they would now be the outliers. If that happens, AAC should add ODU.

NE/Mid-Atlantic: UMASS, Buffalo, Temple, JMU, Liberty and ODU.

Southeast: East Carolina, Charlotte, UAB, Tulane, Navy, and Louisiana Tech

Besides losing Boise State to the Big 12, the MWC could loose San Diego State and Nevada to PAC 12, leaving the MWC needing to add schools. Top Options to target would be Tulsa, UTSA, Rice and Wichita State and perhaps Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

After Southern Miss and Marshall move over to the Belt, that would leave hapless CUSA needing to add tems to join, FAU/FIU, MT/WKU NT/UTEP. They could add Jacksonville State, EKU, Lamar, Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin and NMSU to remain as part of G5.

Southern Miss may join the Sun Belt for geographical reasons only, but there's no indication that Marshall will regardless if Keith Gill visits their campus 100 times.

It's been the dream of Sun Belt fans to see the death of Conference USA after 5 schools left for it when Karl Benson became league commissioner--same guy who tried to kill the Sun Belt before the 2005 season started when he was commissioner of the WAC. North Texas and Middle Tennessee were the only two schools that sponsored Sun Belt football in 2004 that left for CUSA in 2012/2013. North Texas turned down the WAC and Middle Tennessee stuck it out in the Sun Belt rather than going to the MAC during the off-season. Sun Belt probably could've gotten a waiver for 2005 with Arkansas State, ULM, UL-Lafayette adding Troy, Florida International and Florida Atlantic in football. FAU and FIU were already in the league in other sports, but without 8 full members the league would've been in jeopardy.

Why are you still harping on this nonsense. The SBC IMPROVED!!!! When the 5 programs left. They were replaced with likeminded university’s. That is why the SBC is stable and CUSA is disgruntled.

You’re continued bashing of the SBC comes off as a bitter divorcée. Grow up, act mature and be respectful.

Yes, the SBC is doing okay, in football only.

Soon to be all sports once CUSA is destroyed.