Is really looking into SMU and Tulsa? I've just seen people talk about it on Twitter so I don't know anything. Would SMU and Tulsa even entertain the idea of moving back into a conference with those teams again?

no there isnt any legitimate connections

smu has also been extremely vocal about having no interest in the mwc..

there is a rumor the at the mwc is looking at tulsa and unt....but that isnt confirmed by anyone credible..or that tulsa is even interested

Likely just BS. People talk. The AAC desperately needs to backfill the losses of Houston, Cincy and UCF. The MWC can do nothing and be the 6th best conference right now. Could we look to expand? For me, sure, if we can get out of our 20 game BB schedule going with two divisions and adding Gonzaga.

(10-01-2021 09:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Likely just BS. People talk. The AAC desperately needs to backfill the losses of Houston, Cincy and UCF. The MWC can do nothing and be the 6th best conference right now. Could we look to expand? For me, sure, if we can get out of our 20 game BB schedule going with two divisions and adding Gonzaga.

debateable

SMU and Navy would make far more sense than Tulsa. Curious is Navy buyout the same because they are football only?

(10-01-2021 09:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Likely just BS. People talk. The AAC desperately needs to backfill the losses of Houston, Cincy and UCF. The MWC can do nothing and be the 6th best conference right now. Could we look to expand? For me, sure, if we can get out of our 20 game BB schedule going with two divisions and adding Gonzaga.

debateable

Debatable on which point?

(10-01-2021 09:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Likely just BS. People talk. The AAC desperately needs to backfill the losses of Houston, Cincy and UCF. The MWC can do nothing and be the 6th best conference right now. Could we look to expand? For me, sure, if we can get out of our 20 game BB schedule going with two divisions and adding Gonzaga.

debateable

Debatable on which point?

As I answered you on the other thread,until the MWC beats out the AAC consistently for that NY6 spot they aren’t the 6th best conference

(10-01-2021 07:17 PM)MadEagle Wrote:  Is really looking into SMU and Tulsa? I've just seen people talk about it on Twitter so I don't know anything. Would SMU and Tulsa even entertain the idea of moving back into a conference with those teams again?

There were a couple articles today from Thamel, McMurphy and the athletic that had "sources" that said they are discussing expanding and among the teams being discussed are SMU, Gonzaga and Wichita. Doesn't say they have reached out or that there is interest

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(10-01-2021 09:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Likely just BS. People talk. The AAC desperately needs to backfill the losses of Houston, Cincy and UCF. The MWC can do nothing and be the 6th best conference right now. Could we look to expand? For me, sure, if we can get out of our 20 game BB schedule going with two divisions and adding Gonzaga.

debateable

Debatable on which point?

no measurable statistic is the mwc better than the leftover aac

- average conference recruiting rank - leftover aac
- average athletic budget- leftover aac
- average computer average the last 5 years - leftover aac
- better tv money- leftover aac
- average coaching salaries- leftover aac
- better attendance -leftover aac
- most NY6 bowls- tied
- most weeks in the top 25 - leftover aac

there is no measurable statistic in which the mwc is better .. perception that is meaningless and changes by the week, yes the mwc has the edge today but that is meaningless and disappear when the on the field play happens

not even adding teams drastically grow in the aac..and teams do not in the mwc..so even if the mwc was better in year 1 (debatable) that might not be the case year 3-4

(10-01-2021 09:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Likely just BS. People talk. The AAC desperately needs to backfill the losses of Houston, Cincy and UCF. The MWC can do nothing and be the 6th best conference right now. Could we look to expand? For me, sure, if we can get out of our 20 game BB schedule going with two divisions and adding Gonzaga.

debateable

Debatable on which point?

I think he was getting at the likelihood of having our champ get the playoff spot. Y’all have the better conference right now but the MWC is having one of it’s best seasons in a while. Things can change fast, as any ECU fan can attest to.

If we add the right teams -I think App, Marshall, UAB, UTSA and Louisiana the best choices right now- we will definitely be in the lead.

Hell, even Charlotte is doing wonderfully right now and they may be considered. We could add them along with the programs I just mentioned and have a very nice 14 team league .

Good luck this season. Beat Boise!

(10-01-2021 09:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Likely just BS. People talk. The AAC desperately needs to backfill the losses of Houston, Cincy and UCF. The MWC can do nothing and be the 6th best conference right now. Could we look to expand? For me, sure, if we can get out of our 20 game BB schedule going with two divisions and adding Gonzaga.

debateable

Debatable on which point?

no measurable statistic is the mwc better that the leftover aac

- average conference recruiting rank - leftover aac
- average athletic budget- leftover aac
- average computer average the last 5 years - aac
- better tv money- leftover aac
- average coaching salaries- leftover aac
- better attendance -leftover aac
- most NY6 bowls- tied
- most weeks in the top 25 - leftover aac

there is no measurable statistic in which the mwc is better .. perception that is meaningless and changes by the week, yes the mwc has the edge today but that is meaningless and disappear when the on the field play happens

not even adding teams drastically grow in the aac..and teams do not in the mwc..so even if the mwc was better in year 1 (debatable) that might not be the case year 3-4

Nice. Wrap that "data" up in a blanket and I hope it keeps you warm.

However, it has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

If you want to debate further, please do so. I'd like you to do so with better grammar and some sort of discernible thought process in order for me to engage properly.

(10-01-2021 09:50 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Likely just BS. People talk. The AAC desperately needs to backfill the losses of Houston, Cincy and UCF. The MWC can do nothing and be the 6th best conference right now. Could we look to expand? For me, sure, if we can get out of our 20 game BB schedule going with two divisions and adding Gonzaga.

debateable

Debatable on which point?

no measurable statistic is the mwc better that the leftover aac

- average conference recruiting rank - leftover aac
- average athletic budget- leftover aac
- average computer average the last 5 years - aac
- better tv money- leftover aac
- average coaching salaries- leftover aac
- better attendance -leftover aac
- most NY6 bowls- tied
- most weeks in the top 25 - leftover aac

there is no measurable statistic in which the mwc is better .. perception that is meaningless and changes by the week, yes the mwc has the edge today but that is meaningless and disappear when the on the field play happens

not even adding teams drastically grow in the aac..and teams do not in the mwc..so even if the mwc was better in year 1 (debatable) that might not be the case year 3-4

Nice. Wrap that "data" up in a blanket and I hope it keeps you warm.

However, it has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

If you want to debate further, please do so. I'd like you to do so with better grammar and some sort of discernible thought process in order for me to engage properly.

it has everything to do with this conversation!!!!!

im guessing recruiting better talent doesnt impact who is better? who can hire better coaches doesn't impact who is better?

please explain your point.. no need to have perfect grammar, its a sports message board and it doesnt impact my life so why would i care about that.. but you having non homer opinions would help

(10-01-2021 09:50 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Likely just BS. People talk. The AAC desperately needs to backfill the losses of Houston, Cincy and UCF. The MWC can do nothing and be the 6th best conference right now. Could we look to expand? For me, sure, if we can get out of our 20 game BB schedule going with two divisions and adding Gonzaga.

debateable

Debatable on which point?

no measurable statistic is the mwc better that the leftover aac

- average conference recruiting rank - leftover aac
- average athletic budget- leftover aac
- average computer average the last 5 years - aac
- better tv money- leftover aac
- average coaching salaries- leftover aac
- better attendance -leftover aac
- most NY6 bowls- tied
- most weeks in the top 25 - leftover aac

there is no measurable statistic in which the mwc is better .. perception that is meaningless and changes by the week, yes the mwc has the edge today but that is meaningless and disappear when the on the field play happens

not even adding teams drastically grow in the aac..and teams do not in the mwc..so even if the mwc was better in year 1 (debatable) that might not be the case year 3-4

Nice. Wrap that "data" up in a blanket and I hope it keeps you warm.

However, it has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

If you want to debate further, please do so. I'd like you to do so with better grammar and some sort of discernible thought process in order for me to engage properly.

He took the time to present you with data.. Let us know when you actually start debating. What you just did was dodge, discount and avoid debate.

(10-01-2021 09:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:50 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  debateable

Debatable on which point?

no measurable statistic is the mwc better that the leftover aac

- average conference recruiting rank - leftover aac
- average athletic budget- leftover aac
- average computer average the last 5 years - aac
- better tv money- leftover aac
- average coaching salaries- leftover aac
- better attendance -leftover aac
- most NY6 bowls- tied
- most weeks in the top 25 - leftover aac

there is no measurable statistic in which the mwc is better .. perception that is meaningless and changes by the week, yes the mwc has the edge today but that is meaningless and disappear when the on the field play happens

not even adding teams drastically grow in the aac..and teams do not in the mwc..so even if the mwc was better in year 1 (debatable) that might not be the case year 3-4

Nice. Wrap that "data" up in a blanket and I hope it keeps you warm.

However, it has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

If you want to debate further, please do so. I'd like you to do so with better grammar and some sort of discernible thought process in order for me to engage properly.

it has everything to do with this conversation!!!!!

im guessing recruiting better talent doesnt impact who is better? who can hire better coaches doesn't impact who is better?

please explain your point.. no need to have perfect grammar, its a sports message board and it doesnt impact my life so why would i care about that.. but you having non homer opinions would help

History is nice. Again, the AAC lost its best three programs. To think that such a loss won't adversely affect you is laughable. And that goes to recruiting, hiring coaches and everything else associated with athletics. The Big12 will see the same when UT and OU leave.

(10-01-2021 09:55 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:50 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  debateable

Debatable on which point?

no measurable statistic is the mwc better that the leftover aac

- average conference recruiting rank - leftover aac
- average athletic budget- leftover aac
- average computer average the last 5 years - aac
- better tv money- leftover aac
- average coaching salaries- leftover aac
- better attendance -leftover aac
- most NY6 bowls- tied
- most weeks in the top 25 - leftover aac

there is no measurable statistic in which the mwc is better .. perception that is meaningless and changes by the week, yes the mwc has the edge today but that is meaningless and disappear when the on the field play happens

not even adding teams drastically grow in the aac..and teams do not in the mwc..so even if the mwc was better in year 1 (debatable) that might not be the case year 3-4

Nice. Wrap that "data" up in a blanket and I hope it keeps you warm.

However, it has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

If you want to debate further, please do so. I'd like you to do so with better grammar and some sort of discernible thought process in order for me to engage properly.

He took the time to present you with data.. Let us know when you actually start debating. What you just did was dodge, discount and avoid debate.

No, he presented "data" that no longer makes sense. If you think the AAC is the 6th best conference once Houston, Cincy and UCF leave then more power to you. Just to note, there was a reason you tried to raid the MWC and would have settled for AFA and CSU. But please, please, make a big go at Wyoming!!!

(10-01-2021 10:01 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  History is nice. Again, the AAC lost its best three programs. To think that such a loss won't adversely affect you is laughable. And that goes to recruiting, hiring coaches and everything else associated with athletics. The Big12 will see the same when UT and OU leave.

that is bad logic..

again yes the aac is taking a drop in status... not one person denied that

my point is the at even without those 3 teams, the leftover aac still has a better averages the mwc in almost every notable category

the average mwc recruiting ranking is like 85..

the average aac with the top 3 is like 70 . it dropping to 75 without those 3 teams doesnt make the 85 better than the 75

the average aac salary in 2.2mil...no aac currently pays less than 1.5mil.. the average without the top 3 is still 1.7-1.9mil

the MWC average salary is 1.1mil,, half the league is sub 1mil, no mwc is above 1.6mil..

if mwc and aac are both going after the same elite asisstant coach in the offseason to be its next HC.. who do you think is going to get them???

It makes no sense that any AAC school would leave for the MWC.

At the end of the day, schools in the MWC didn’t want to leave a league where they were geographic fits in order to potentially make more TV money in the AAC.

Therefore, it makes even less sense that AAC schools would go to an MWC with less money (or even in a best case scenario of slightly more if CBS is funding it) in a bad geographic fit.

Geography is generally overrated within the Eastern and Central Time Zones for realignment purposes - we tend to overstate the “distance” between the Northeast, Midwest and Southeast when it’s really more cultural differences as opposed to geographic distances. However, I’ve found that a lot of people have been underrating it in the Mountain and Pacific Time Zones in thinking that a couple of Western schools would have happy to be on a geographic island for something less than P5 money. It’s simply not easy for just 1 or 2 Western schools to join an Eastern-based conference and, similarly, it’s not easy for just 1 or 2 Eastern school to join a Western-based league. That’s a natural barrier of protection for both the Pac-12 and MWC (but also makes expansion harder for them because they have fewer geographically-friendly options).

(10-01-2021 10:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 10:01 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  History is nice. Again, the AAC lost its best three programs. To think that such a loss won't adversely affect you is laughable. And that goes to recruiting, hiring coaches and everything else associated with athletics. The Big12 will see the same when UT and OU leave.

that is bad logic..

again yes the aac is taking a drop in status... not one person denied that

my point is the at even without those 3 teams, the leftover aac still has a better averages the mwc in almost every notable categories

the average mwc recruiting ranking is like 85..

the average aac with the top 3 is like 70 . it dropping to 75 without those 3 teams doesnt make the 85 better than the 75

the average aac salary in 2.2mil...no aac currently pays less than 1.5mil.. the average without the top 3 is still 1.7-1.9mil

the MWC average salary is 1.1mil,, half the league is sub 1mil, no mwc is above 1.6mil..

if mwc and aac are both going after the same elite asisstant coach in the offseason to be its next HC.. who do you think is going to get them???

I'm sorry, but no. The AAC is now significantly worse than the MWC. That is why SDSU and BSU said no and when you went fo AFA an CSU they said no as well (apparently).

You just lost your three best programs. You are looking at history. Well, your future history doesn't include Houston, Cincy of or Central Florida. If you think you are going to keep you TV contract the same without those teams then you are naive. When the money coming in dries up, it trickles down.

(10-01-2021 10:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  It makes no sense that any AAC school would leave for the MWC.

At the end of the day, schools in the MWC didn’t want to leave a league where they were geographic fits in order to potentially make more TV money in the AAC.

Therefore, it makes even less sense that AAC schools would go to an MWC with less money (or even in a best case scenario of slightly more if CBS is funding it) in a bad geographic fit.

Geography is generally overrated within the Eastern and Central Time Zones for realignment purposes - we tend to overstate the “distance” between the Northeast, Midwest and Southeast when it’s really more cultural differences as opposed to geographic distances. However, I’ve found that a lot of people have been underrating it in the Mountain and Pacific Time Zones in thinking that a couple of Western schools would have happy to be on a geographic island for something less than P5 money. It’s simply not easy for just 1 or 2 Western schools to join an Eastern-based conference and, similarly, it’s not easy for just 1 or 2 Eastern school to join a Western-based league. That’s a natural barrier of protection for both the Pac-12 and MWC (but also makes expansion harder for them because they have fewer geographically-friendly options).

Funny, we don't feel geographically "fit" with other MWC teams. In fact, the MWC is the most geographically unfit conference in the US.

(10-01-2021 10:01 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:50 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Debatable on which point?

no measurable statistic is the mwc better that the leftover aac

- average conference recruiting rank - leftover aac
- average athletic budget- leftover aac
- average computer average the last 5 years - aac
- better tv money- leftover aac
- average coaching salaries- leftover aac
- better attendance -leftover aac
- most NY6 bowls- tied
- most weeks in the top 25 - leftover aac

there is no measurable statistic in which the mwc is better .. perception that is meaningless and changes by the week, yes the mwc has the edge today but that is meaningless and disappear when the on the field play happens

not even adding teams drastically grow in the aac..and teams do not in the mwc..so even if the mwc was better in year 1 (debatable) that might not be the case year 3-4

Nice. Wrap that "data" up in a blanket and I hope it keeps you warm.

However, it has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

If you want to debate further, please do so. I'd like you to do so with better grammar and some sort of discernible thought process in order for me to engage properly.

it has everything to do with this conversation!!!!!

im guessing recruiting better talent doesnt impact who is better? who can hire better coaches doesn't impact who is better?

please explain your point.. no need to have perfect grammar, its a sports message board and it doesnt impact my life so why would i care about that.. but you having non homer opinions would help

History is nice. Again, the AAC lost its best three programs. To think that such a loss won't adversely affect you is laughable. And that goes to recruiting, hiring coaches and everything else associated with athletics. The Big12 will see the same when UT and OU leave.

By some measurements the AAC is losing 3 of its top programs but Memphis has more FB wins since 2014 than any of those 3 & is 2nd in the conference in FB attendance, 1st by a significant margin in MBB attendance.