(10-01-2021 07:54 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 07:48 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  What does Rice do for the league? Great school, but really bad football and basketball. even their baseball has fallen off a bit.

UTSA would probably be the better long term add. Rice does have old SWC connections and seems to be able to get h/h's with teams like Texas (even if played at NRG).

I just want one of the two to go with TXST with UTSA being option one. I figure if you have to choose between Charlotte and Rice, you might as well have Rice. But really a mix of UTSA/WKU/JMU and maybe even FAU is better.

Personally I would love to have UTSA with us, but I think ultimately Rice would be the better choice. One, Rice provides a bridge between us and the cajuns. two. would allow us to have a presence in the Houston area. I don't know how many alumni we have there but its pretty substancial. Ideally, I believe that we should have a presence in both the Houston and Dallas-FtWorth areas. Our San Antonio fans and alumni could always make the 45-60 min drive to San Marcos.

All I know about realignment is in the end there aure always surprises. No matter how solid you think you are someone will break ranks. I do know that stAte will have a conf. to play in. We will win some games and lose others.

(10-01-2021 07:37 PM)TxSt1992 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 07:54 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 07:48 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  What does Rice do for the league? Great school, but really bad football and basketball. even their baseball has fallen off a bit.

UTSA would probably be the better long term add. Rice does have old SWC connections and seems to be able to get h/h's with teams like Texas (even if played at NRG).

I just want one of the two to go with TXST with UTSA being option one. I figure if you have to choose between Charlotte and Rice, you might as well have Rice. But really a mix of UTSA/WKU/JMU and maybe even FAU is better.

Personally I would love to have UTSA with us, but I think ultimately Rice would be the better choice. One, Rice provides a bridge between us and the cajuns. two. would allow us to have a presence in the Houston area. I don't know how many alumni we have there but its pretty substancial. Ideally, I believe that we should have a presence in both the Houston and Dallas-FtWorth areas. Our San Antonio fans and alumni could always make the 45-60 min drive to San Marcos.

Playing Charlotte in every sport, every year, is good for App. I don't see how it benefits the rest of the conference. We don't need to share a conference to do it. Beyond that, the demise of the conference is spelled with the letters F, A, and U. We've all fought too hard to change the perception of the SBC to bring the trash back into the house after already rolling it to the street.

(10-02-2021 01:31 AM)wb247 Wrote:  Playing Charlotte in every sport, every year, is good for App. I don't see how it benefits the rest of the conference. We don't need to share a conference to do it.

I think it'd be good for GSU too. Charlotte's one of those that it's tough to get a read on how people feel about them. One minute they're a work in progress bordering on dumpster fire, the next they're apparently a leading candidate for the AAC.

We may all agree that USM and Marshall are who the Sun Belt wants for #11 and #12.
We also all agree that to go to 14 the Sun Belt wants oneTexas add included.

What we don't know are are deciding.
Who will be left on the board once AAC makes its picks? And

how open is the Sun Belt with going to 14 without a Texas team. My thinking is a WKU and JMU combo might just be enough positives to accept. With a combo of good football, basketball, softball, plus new markets we don't have now.

I'm ok with both options of 14 members. Also ok with staying at 12.

(10-02-2021 08:44 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  We may all agree that USM and Marshall are who the Sun Belt wants for #11 and #12.
We also all agree that to go to 14 the Sun Belt wants oneTexas add included.

What we don't know are are deciding.
Who will be left on the board once AAC makes its picks? And

how open is the Sun Belt with going to 14 without a Texas team. My thinking is a WKU and JMU combo might just be enough positives to accept. With a combo of good football, basketball, softball, plus new markets we don't have now.

I'm ok with both options of 14 members. Also ok with staying at 12.

Not that I have a dog in this fight, because I am just happy to be invited into the Sun Belt home. However, your proposed add of Marshall, Southern Miss, WKU, and JMU would be extremely smart additions IMO. That’s 2 West and 2 East.

I also understand the desire to help Texas State out with a partner, so it is a bit tricky. But taking those 3 from from CUSA + their main backfill option would be leave CUSA with just enough to survive but not be a threat. Which is part of the goal of this. It will then become a 2 league race every year between the SBC and MWC. AAC going to fall hard chasing markets.

(10-02-2021 08:44 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  We may all agree that USM and Marshall are who the Sun Belt wants for #11 and #12.
We also all agree that to go to 14 the Sun Belt wants oneTexas add included.

Eh...I don't think there's agreement on much of anything at this point...

(10-02-2021 08:44 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  We may all agree that USM and Marshall are who the Sun Belt wants for #11 and #12.
We also all agree that to go to 14 the Sun Belt wants oneTexas add included.

What we don't know are are deciding.
Who will be left on the board once AAC makes its picks? And

how open is the Sun Belt with going to 14 without a Texas team. My thinking is a WKU and JMU combo might just be enough positives to accept. With a combo of good football, basketball, softball, plus new markets we don't have now.

I'm ok with both options of 14 members. Also ok with staying at 12.

From a selfish standpoint, I’d love going to 14 without a Texas team if we could land JMU, Marshall, USM & WKU. However, I think getting a travel partner/rival for the Bobcats is better for the overall health of the SBC so a combo along the lines of Marshall/JMU and USM/UTSA.

I think I'd rather it be 12 if its Marshall and USM joining. That said, if the Sun Belt were to expand further and go to 14, I guess I would go with...yeah, really have no idea which schools I'd pick to get to 14. EDIT - Depends who's available...if it were me, I'll go with UTSA and WKU?

Hear me out, Charlotte wouldn't be a bad add. Like them or not they have shown big improvement in football and it makes sense to believe that they'll continue to improve. They've proven in the past that their basketball can be strong even if it isn't all that right now. There baseball team won CUSA and made it to the NCAA tournament last season. It's a pretty easy trip for most every other school with the airport being right there. From a selfish standpoint, it's a great away game for App alum and fans to be able to go to and it gives us an in-state rival that we'd play every year. I know that markets get overplayed but there is some truth to how useful they are and it would give the conference a stronger hold in the Charlotte market. It hurts me to speak well of Charlotte but there is some decent upside with adding them.

Unfortunately for Texas State the only way we find a rival for them in Texas is to expand using a FCS team. UTSA doesn’t seem interested. They also have AAC interest.
Rice won’t happen. UTEP won’t happen nor would they be a rival for TXST. North Texas isn’t coming back.

(10-03-2021 06:34 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Unfortunately for Texas State the only way we find a rival for them in Texas is to expand using a FCS team. UTSA doesn’t seem interested. They also have AAC interest.
Rice won’t happen. UTEP won’t happen nor would they be a rival for TXST. North Texas isn’t coming back.

I’ve been told that UTSA has informed the AAC it wasn’t interested. The financials don’t make sense with so much instability surrounding the AAC.

(09-29-2021 11:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:48 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  I feel confident that Marshall will be in the Sun Belt soon. So my next question is, what are the chances that UAB is still on the board after the AAC make their moves?

Who in the West is attractive enough to get the SBC to go 14 teams? My guesses are only two:

UAB
USTA

If either of those are still on the board then I hope the SBC as a whole would vote JMU in along with Marshall. I just feel like if some of the point of this is to weaken CUSA, you don’t want to leave what could be the next
App State on the board for CUSA to backfill with. Jmo.

I think the issue with JMU is the availability of more comfortable options. And part of the reason why nothing has happened out East, while we're getting a cornucopia of rumors out of Hattiesburg. The SBC wants Marshall, that seems pretty clear. But what if we turn around next week and UAB is available? There's not a soul in this league that would take JMU over UAB.

JMU fits the Sun Belt model better (Southern, medium market, non commuter, Football.first.) Don't become CUSA 9.0 by adding schools like UTSA, UAB, and UNCC because of "markets," it's fools gold. Get USM, Marshall, and JMU then sit tight.

(10-03-2021 07:30 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 11:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:48 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  I feel confident that Marshall will be in the Sun Belt soon. So my next question is, what are the chances that UAB is still on the board after the AAC make their moves?

Who in the West is attractive enough to get the SBC to go 14 teams? My guesses are only two:

UAB
USTA

If either of those are still on the board then I hope the SBC as a whole would vote JMU in along with Marshall. I just feel like if some of the point of this is to weaken CUSA, you don’t want to leave what could be the next
App State on the board for CUSA to backfill with. Jmo.

I think the issue with JMU is the availability of more comfortable options. And part of the reason why nothing has happened out East, while we're getting a cornucopia of rumors out of Hattiesburg. The SBC wants Marshall, that seems pretty clear. But what if we turn around next week and UAB is available? There's not a soul in this league that would take JMU over UAB.

JMU fits the Sun Belt model better (Southern, medium market, non commuter, Football.first.) Don't become CUSA 9.0 by adding schools like UTSA, UAB, and UNCC because of "markets," it's fools gold. Get USM, Marshall, and JMU then sit tight.

A UAB add would have nothing to do with markets and more to do with location. They are literally smack dab in the middle of the SBC footprint.

(10-03-2021 09:07 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 06:34 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Unfortunately for Texas State the only way we find a rival for them in Texas is to expand using a FCS team. UTSA doesn’t seem interested. They also have AAC interest.
Rice won’t happen. UTEP won’t happen nor would they be a rival for TXST. North Texas isn’t coming back.

I’ve been told that UTSA has informed the AAC it wasn’t interested. The financials don’t make sense with so much instability surrounding the AAC.

If this is true, I think they're SB bound. C-USA WILL lose programs to the SB AND the AAC AND possibly the MW. UTSA will want out of that, one way or the other, even if it is not to the AAC. The SB would likely welcome them so TXST can have a partner.

So, as of 9:16 PM on October 3, I think it's USM, Marshall, UTSA, and a scramble for #14 between WKU, JMU, ODU, and Charlotte.

(10-03-2021 07:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 07:30 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 11:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:48 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  I feel confident that Marshall will be in the Sun Belt soon. So my next question is, what are the chances that UAB is still on the board after the AAC make their moves?

Who in the West is attractive enough to get the SBC to go 14 teams? My guesses are only two:

UAB
USTA

If either of those are still on the board then I hope the SBC as a whole would vote JMU in along with Marshall. I just feel like if some of the point of this is to weaken CUSA, you don’t want to leave what could be the next
App State on the board for CUSA to backfill with. Jmo.

I think the issue with JMU is the availability of more comfortable options. And part of the reason why nothing has happened out East, while we're getting a cornucopia of rumors out of Hattiesburg. The SBC wants Marshall, that seems pretty clear. But what if we turn around next week and UAB is available? There's not a soul in this league that would take JMU over UAB.

JMU fits the Sun Belt model better (Southern, medium market, non commuter, Football.first.) Don't become CUSA 9.0 by adding schools like UTSA, UAB, and UNCC because of "markets," it's fools gold. Get USM, Marshall, and JMU then sit tight.

A UAB add would have nothing to do with markets and more to do with location. They are literally smack dab in the middle of the SBC footprint.

if the aac would fall thru and uab came along with us, you have the POTENTIAL for some good rivalaries. The kind that help every program grow.

(10-03-2021 08:16 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:07 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 06:34 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Unfortunately for Texas State the only way we find a rival for them in Texas is to expand using a FCS team. UTSA doesn’t seem interested. They also have AAC interest.
Rice won’t happen. UTEP won’t happen nor would they be a rival for TXST. North Texas isn’t coming back.

I’ve been told that UTSA has informed the AAC it wasn’t interested. The financials don’t make sense with so much instability surrounding the AAC.

If this is true, I think they're SB bound. C-USA WILL lose programs to the SB AND the AAC AND possibly the MW. UTSA will want out of that, one way or the other, even if it is not to the AAC. The SB would likely welcome them so TXST can have a partner.

So, as of 9:16 PM on October 3, I think it's USM, Marshall, UTSA, and a scramble for #14 between WKU, JMU, ODU, and Charlotte.

It would seem that if C-USA potentially loses both UAB and Rice to the AAC, that they'd pursue Texas State as a backfill for their west division, with UTSA, North Texas and UTEP. Another option would be NMSU.

(10-03-2021 08:16 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:07 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 06:34 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Unfortunately for Texas State the only way we find a rival for them in Texas is to expand using a FCS team. UTSA doesn’t seem interested. They also have AAC interest.
Rice won’t happen. UTEP won’t happen nor would they be a rival for TXST. North Texas isn’t coming back.

I’ve been told that UTSA has informed the AAC it wasn’t interested. The financials don’t make sense with so much instability surrounding the AAC.

If this is true, I think they're SB bound. C-USA WILL lose programs to the SB AND the AAC AND possibly the MW. UTSA will want out of that, one way or the other, even if it is not to the AAC. The SB would likely welcome them so TXST can have a partner.

So, as of 9:16 PM on October 3, I think it's USM, Marshall, UTSA, and a scramble for #14 between WKU, JMU, ODU, and Charlotte.

MW could still be a destination for utsa, and the cost(s) would be significantly less than the aac.

(10-03-2021 07:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 07:30 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 11:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:48 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  I feel confident that Marshall will be in the Sun Belt soon. So my next question is, what are the chances that UAB is still on the board after the AAC make their moves?

Who in the West is attractive enough to get the SBC to go 14 teams? My guesses are only two:

UAB
USTA

If either of those are still on the board then I hope the SBC as a whole would vote JMU in along with Marshall. I just feel like if some of the point of this is to weaken CUSA, you don’t want to leave what could be the next
App State on the board for CUSA to backfill with. Jmo.

I think the issue with JMU is the availability of more comfortable options. And part of the reason why nothing has happened out East, while we're getting a cornucopia of rumors out of Hattiesburg. The SBC wants Marshall, that seems pretty clear. But what if we turn around next week and UAB is available? There's not a soul in this league that would take JMU over UAB.

JMU fits the Sun Belt model better (Southern, medium market, non commuter, Football.first.) Don't become CUSA 9.0 by adding schools like UTSA, UAB, and UNCC because of "markets," it's fools gold. Get USM, Marshall, and JMU then sit tight.

A UAB add would have nothing to do with markets and more to do with location. They are literally smack dab in the middle of the SBC footprint.

I don't care if they have a satellite campus in every SBC town.... we can't inflate a life raft for any school that won't even do it for themselves (actually show up to games), much less offer any of us the same raft if the situation were reversed.

(10-03-2021 08:16 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:07 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 06:34 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Unfortunately for Texas State the only way we find a rival for them in Texas is to expand using a FCS team. UTSA doesn’t seem interested. They also have AAC interest.
Rice won’t happen. UTEP won’t happen nor would they be a rival for TXST. North Texas isn’t coming back.

I’ve been told that UTSA has informed the AAC it wasn’t interested. The financials don’t make sense with so much instability surrounding the AAC.

If this is true, I think they're SB bound. C-USA WILL lose programs to the SB AND the AAC AND possibly the MW. UTSA will want out of that, one way or the other, even if it is not to the AAC. The SB would likely welcome them so TXST can have a partner.

So, as of 9:16 PM on October 3, I think it's USM, Marshall, UTSA, and a scramble for #14 between WKU, JMU, ODU, and Charlotte.

It would surprise me if UTSA wanted out of C-USA and into the Sun Belt.