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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(09-30-2021 08:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 01:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 10:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 09:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(09-29-2021 07:01 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Well of course a UNC fan likes to be in the weakest division with the best recruiting territories. 03-lmfao

Trade BC for GaTech and I’m happy as a clam. 04-cheers

UVA—————-VaTech
Wake
UNC
Duke
State
GT——————Clem
Miami————-FSU

———————-BC, SU, Pitt, Louisville

GET ER DONE

No Deal. We keep GT.

You don't really get a say in the matter.07-coffee3

You may find that things won't work in the ACC like they used to.

My advice to you: keep the deed to your ranch in your pocket and off of the table.04-cheers
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-01-2021 04:57 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 08:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 01:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 10:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 09:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  Trade BC for GaTech and I’m happy as a clam. 04-cheers

UVA—————-VaTech
Wake
UNC
Duke
State
GT——————Clem
Miami————-FSU

———————-BC, SU, Pitt, Louisville

GET ER DONE

No Deal. We keep GT.

You don't really get a say in the matter.07-coffee3

You may find that things won't work in the ACC like they used to.

My advice to you: keep the deed to your ranch in your pocket and off of the table.04-cheers

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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(09-30-2021 08:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 01:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 10:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 09:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(09-29-2021 07:01 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Well of course a UNC fan likes to be in the weakest division with the best recruiting territories. 03-lmfao

Trade BC for GaTech and I’m happy as a clam. 04-cheers

UVA—————-VaTech
Wake
UNC
Duke
State
GT——————Clem
Miami————-FSU

———————-BC, SU, Pitt, Louisville

GET ER DONE

No Deal. We keep GT.

You don't really get a say in the matter.07-coffee3

You may find that things won't work in the ACC like they used to.

Referencing the above alignment: XLance would like to trade NC State for literally any school in the Atlantic.
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-01-2021 02:44 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 08:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 01:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 10:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 09:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  Trade BC for GaTech and I’m happy as a clam. 04-cheers

UVA—————-VaTech
Wake
UNC
Duke
State
GT——————Clem
Miami————-FSU

———————-BC, SU, Pitt, Louisville

GET ER DONE

No Deal. We keep GT.

You don't really get a say in the matter.07-coffee3

You may find that things won't work in the ACC like they used to.

Referencing the above alignment: XLance would like to trade NC State for literally any school in the Atlantic.

I didn't realize you Tar Heels were THAT AFRAID of the Wolfpack...
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
I respect the time and effort to make this post. But nahhh.
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
Maybe if Cincinnati softens them up enough today?
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-02-2021 03:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Maybe if Cincinnati softens them up enough today?
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I will take ND and Cincy as #15 and #16.

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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-01-2021 04:09 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 02:44 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 08:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 01:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 10:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  No Deal. We keep GT.

You don't really get a say in the matter.07-coffee3

You may find that things won't work in the ACC like they used to.

Referencing the above alignment: XLance would like to trade NC State for literally any school in the Atlantic.

I didn't realize you Tar Heels were THAT AFRAID of the Wolfpack...
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Who wants to give up a structured advantage? UNC gets to appear in Va every year and in Atlanta and Pittsburgh every other year. They only have to make a trip to Boston or Syracuse once every 12 years. That's a huge recruiting advantage.

The second advantage in the Coastal is that you almost never face a top 15 or better program in your division. Over the last 30 years you get that 27 times with Atlantic Schools, just 8 with Coastal Programs. Keeping State out of the Coastal is just good business for UNC.
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-02-2021 04:49 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 04:09 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 02:44 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 08:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-30-2021 01:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  You don't really get a say in the matter.07-coffee3

You may find that things won't work in the ACC like they used to.

Referencing the above alignment: XLance would like to trade NC State for literally any school in the Atlantic.

I didn't realize you Tar Heels were THAT AFRAID of the Wolfpack...
04-jawdrop

Who wants to give up a structured advantage? UNC gets to appear in Va every year and in Atlanta and Pittsburgh every other year. They only have to make a trip to Boston or Syracuse once every 12 years. That's a huge recruiting advantage.

The second advantage in the Coastal is that you almost never face a top 15 or better program in your division. Over the last 30 years you get that 27 times with Atlantic Schools, just 8 with Coastal Programs. Keeping State out of the Coastal is just good business for UNC.

This season most Coastal teams avoid BC and Wake! The supposed dregs of the ACC 03-phew 03-shhhh
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
Also Carolina plays State every year, as you know Statefan.
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
Notre Dame already plays Navy every year. Making that a conference game would not have any effect on Notre Dame. Having to add 2 more conference games beyond the current 5 and Navy would be a huge negative for Notre Dame.
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-02-2021 03:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Maybe if Cincinnati softens them up enough today?
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Is that soft enough for you?
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(10-11-2021 03:00 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 03:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Maybe if Cincinnati softens them up enough today?
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Is that soft enough for you?

Apparently not. You guys REALLY let me down this time!
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The best way for the ACC to land Notre Dame is for ACC teams to beat them each and every time you play them -- five games per year, every year. When they finally realize that they aren't so special as they once believed, they'll cave.
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(10-11-2021 05:58 PM)colohank Wrote:  The best way for the ACC to land Notre Dame is for ACC teams to beat them each and every time you play them -- five games per year, every year. When they finally realize that they aren't so special as they once believed, they'll cave.

Tell them to pack a lunch.

ND is 25-1 versus ACC teams in regular season games since 2017.

P.S. Beating ND will not change its mind about independence, anyway.

It never did in the past. It won't in the future.

It is about what is best for the program, its brand and the school, not feeling "special".

Why would anyone want a school to "cave" and be forcibly raped into a conference against its will, anyway ?
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-11-2021 07:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 05:58 PM)colohank Wrote:  The best way for the ACC to land Notre Dame is for ACC teams to beat them each and every time you play them -- five games per year, every year. When they finally realize that they aren't so special as they once believed, they'll cave.

Tell them to pack a lunch.

ND is 25-1 versus ACC teams in regular season games since 2017.

P.S. Beating ND will not change its mind about independence, anyway.

It never did in the past. It won't in the future.

It is about what is best for the program, its brand and the school, not feeling "special".

Why would anyone want a school to "cave" and be forcibly raped into a conference against its will, anyway ?
Kentucky Basketball and Alabama Football feel the same way. The difference, They enjoy beating up on Their conference mates almost every year
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-12-2021 11:20 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 07:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 05:58 PM)colohank Wrote:  The best way for the ACC to land Notre Dame is for ACC teams to beat them each and every time you play them -- five games per year, every year. When they finally realize that they aren't so special as they once believed, they'll cave.

Tell them to pack a lunch.

ND is 25-1 versus ACC teams in regular season games since 2017.

P.S. Beating ND will not change its mind about independence, anyway.

It never did in the past. It won't in the future.

It is about what is best for the program, its brand and the school, not feeling "special".

Why would anyone want a school to "cave" and be forcibly raped into a conference against its will, anyway ?
Kentucky Basketball and Alabama Football feel the same way. The difference, They enjoy beating up on Their conference mates almost every year

ND football is not Kentucky basketball or Alabama football.

Those institutions freely choose to play in a conference.

ND football has freely chosen another model.

It has worked out okay for them.
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-12-2021 03:51 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 11:20 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 07:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 05:58 PM)colohank Wrote:  The best way for the ACC to land Notre Dame is for ACC teams to beat them each and every time you play them -- five games per year, every year. When they finally realize that they aren't so special as they once believed, they'll cave.

Tell them to pack a lunch.

ND is 25-1 versus ACC teams in regular season games since 2017.

P.S. Beating ND will not change its mind about independence, anyway.

It never did in the past. It won't in the future.

It is about what is best for the program, its brand and the school, not feeling "special".

Why would anyone want a school to "cave" and be forcibly raped into a conference against its will, anyway ?
Kentucky Basketball and Alabama Football feel the same way. The difference, They enjoy beating up on Their conference mates almost every year

ND football is not Kentucky basketball or Alabama football.

Those institutions freely choose to play in a conference.

ND football has freely chosen another model.

It has worked out okay for them.

I seriously dated three Catholic girls back in the day. (Not at the same time mind you - only Baptist girls forgive that). Only one was a football fan. Nominally she was a big Penn State fan but was also a secret ND fan. When asked why, she said "because I'm Catholic". The other two who would not have understood the difference between a football and golf ball both claimed to be ND fans despite not knowing who the hell Dan Devine was, yet when asked in public, both would proclaim they were ND fans.

My point is that it was in their DNA along with their Irish, Italian, Spanish, and French DNA. I just don't see the ACC gaining something by taking away something is unique to ND, nor do I see a compelling reason.
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-14-2021 01:37 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 03:51 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 11:20 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 07:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 05:58 PM)colohank Wrote:  The best way for the ACC to land Notre Dame is for ACC teams to beat them each and every time you play them -- five games per year, every year. When they finally realize that they aren't so special as they once believed, they'll cave.

Tell them to pack a lunch.

ND is 25-1 versus ACC teams in regular season games since 2017.

P.S. Beating ND will not change its mind about independence, anyway.

It never did in the past. It won't in the future.

It is about what is best for the program, its brand and the school, not feeling "special".

Why would anyone want a school to "cave" and be forcibly raped into a conference against its will, anyway ?
Kentucky Basketball and Alabama Football feel the same way. The difference, They enjoy beating up on Their conference mates almost every year

ND football is not Kentucky basketball or Alabama football.

Those institutions freely choose to play in a conference.

ND football has freely chosen another model.

It has worked out okay for them.

I seriously dated three Catholic girls back in the day. (Not at the same time mind you - only Baptist girls forgive that). Only one was a football fan. Nominally she was a big Penn State fan but was also a secret ND fan. When asked why, she said "because I'm Catholic". The other two who would not have understood the difference between a football and golf ball both claimed to be ND fans despite not knowing who the hell Dan Devine was, yet when asked in public, both would proclaim they were ND fans.

My point is that it was in their DNA along with their Irish, Italian, Spanish, and French DNA. I just don't see the ACC gaining something by taking away something is unique to ND, nor do I see a compelling reason.


The only "compelling" reason is that the ACC is desperate for ND (or anyone) to ride in to "save" the ACC from its own self inflicted (mortal?) wounds.

The unending problem about that is that it makes much more sense and provides much more benefit to the ACC than to ND for the latter to do so.

I think the better move for the ACC would be to try to add Cincy and WVU than trying or hoping to "force" ND football to join (the playoffs will expand, ending that hope).
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RE: The best shot to land Notre Dame
(10-14-2021 05:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-14-2021 01:37 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 03:51 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 11:20 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(10-11-2021 07:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Tell them to pack a lunch.

ND is 25-1 versus ACC teams in regular season games since 2017.

P.S. Beating ND will not change its mind about independence, anyway.

It never did in the past. It won't in the future.

It is about what is best for the program, its brand and the school, not feeling "special".

Why would anyone want a school to "cave" and be forcibly raped into a conference against its will, anyway ?
Kentucky Basketball and Alabama Football feel the same way. The difference, They enjoy beating up on Their conference mates almost every year

ND football is not Kentucky basketball or Alabama football.

Those institutions freely choose to play in a conference.

ND football has freely chosen another model.

It has worked out okay for them.

I seriously dated three Catholic girls back in the day. (Not at the same time mind you - only Baptist girls forgive that). Only one was a football fan. Nominally she was a big Penn State fan but was also a secret ND fan. When asked why, she said "because I'm Catholic". The other two who would not have understood the difference between a football and golf ball both claimed to be ND fans despite not knowing who the hell Dan Devine was, yet when asked in public, both would proclaim they were ND fans.

My point is that it was in their DNA along with their Irish, Italian, Spanish, and French DNA. I just don't see the ACC gaining something by taking away something is unique to ND, nor do I see a compelling reason.


The only "compelling" reason is that the ACC is desperate for ND (or anyone) to ride in to "save" the ACC from its own self inflicted (mortal?) wounds.

The unending problem about that is that it makes much more sense and provides much more benefit to the ACC than to ND for the latter to do so.

I think the better move for the ACC would be to try to add Cincy and WVU than trying or hoping to "force" ND football to join (the playoffs will expand, ending that hope).

Cincinnati would be an excellent choice.
The ACC won't force Notre Dame to do anything. Full membership would bring additional value, but at a cost. We get good value from our current relationship.
If the SEC can change the NCAA rules to go to pods or no divisions, then 15 would work just fine until some other conference changes the playoff rules.
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