(09-27-2021 11:47 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  https://www.on3.com/news/big-12-conferen...standards/

"The new Big 12 will consist of programs with tradition and passion. But how many schools in this conference are the top program in their state?

West Virginia, yes.

Kansas or Kansas State — I’m not refereeing that argument.

If not first, BYU is a close second to Utah.

I don’t mean this as a slight to the states of Kansas, Utah and West Virginia, but, I mean, it’s Kansas, Utah and West Virginia. If you combine the TV homes in Kansas City, Salt Lake City and Charleston, you’d have about 2.5 million homes, which falls short of an Atlanta, or a Washington, D.C."

This is a bad take because

(1) In the entire long history of the Big 6/7/8/12, the Longhorns are the only team that ever fit Maisel’s criteria of being the “top program” in a large-population state. This was never a conference full of king programs from the most populous states.
(2) Everyone knows that there was no way to fully replace the media value of the Sooners and Horns, and that the conference made the best choices from the available programs. “Lowering standards” is BS.

(09-27-2021 11:47 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  https://www.on3.com/news/big-12-conferen...standards/

"The new Big 12 will consist of programs with tradition and passion. But how many schools in this conference are the top program in their state?

West Virginia, yes.

Kansas or Kansas State — I’m not refereeing that argument.

If not first, BYU is a close second to Utah.

I don’t mean this as a slight to the states of Kansas, Utah and West Virginia, but, I mean, it’s Kansas, Utah and West Virginia. If you combine the TV homes in Kansas City, Salt Lake City and Charleston, you’d have about 2.5 million homes, which falls short of an Atlanta, or a Washington, D.C."

WTH is on3? Never even heard of it, no wonder why Ivan is there if he's turning out crap like this. Is he paying attention to how these new teams are playing this year? Cincy and BYU are knocking off P5 opponents left and right. I never root for the Irish but I was pulling for them over the Badgers so Cincy could be the first to beat them when they were ranked in the top 10 this week.

Don't begrudge the guy. He's got bills to pay. Baby need new shoes.

(09-27-2021 03:51 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Don't begrudge the guy. He's got bills to pay. Baby need new shoes.

I understand what you are saying, but the media sets the narrative. When someone like Ivan Maisel and others come out and says the New BXII isn't worth a sheet, then perception becomes reality, even when said schools are knocking off and doing just as well as schools that are supposedly in "big boy conferences". As a Cincinnati fan I saw this with the Big East and then the American. When Pitt, Syracuse and WVU left the Big East, I can remember Mark May on ESPN saying the remaining Big East schools (at that time Cincinnati, Louisville, Rutgers and USF) declare those schools should not go to a meaningful bowl game ever again. Shortly thereafter Rutgers and Louisville moved on and then the stink continued on UC, USF, UConn and the schools that eventually made up the AAC.

Consider the state of journalism. Fair and balanced and truth don't draw clicks. Tick some large group off and your hits and ad revenue increase. It's in your browser's news page everyday. It's disgusting, ignorant, and spreads misconceptions, but you perpetuate it every time you click on it and especially when you link it.

So if you hate it don't respond and Maisel will either go back to fair balanced and truthful, or he's out of business.

Now isn't it disgusting when news is oriented to create smack!

(09-27-2021 12:28 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  On the field, the BXII will be as good as, if not better than the PAC12 and ACC. On the basketball court, the BXII will be a top three conference. While the Oklahoma and Texas brands will be gone, there are still some programs in that conference than will garner a decent television rating.

I think Maisel's averment is premature.

Oh, I think this was nailed just a few posts before yours:

(09-27-2021 12:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I'm not sure what the point of this article is.

I think the point is that his contract requires him to crank out a column a couple of times a week.

SO I don't think he was aiming at timeless wisdom ... I agree that he was mostly aiming at meeting his column publication deadline.

(09-27-2021 11:47 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  https://www.on3.com/news/big-12-conferen...standards/

"The new Big 12 will consist of programs with tradition and passion. But how many schools in this conference are the top program in their state?

They did not lower their standards. There was no replacing Oklahoma and Texas. The Big 12 was a really good football conference with strong football programs and brands about a decade ago. But losing Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, Missouri, and now Oklahoma and Texas has changed the conference.

Every power conference in college football has football powers and brands that can carry their conferences through bad tiimes. The New Big 12 lacks that for football. The nonconference scheduling and the recruiting are going to be challenging in the future for football.

This is click bait. Maisel should be ashamed of himself but its his job.

(09-27-2021 12:38 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:27 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  UCF has passed FSU and could be close to Miami. Florida is obviously #1 currently.

Only on the field and in engineering only because FSU shares its school with FAMU. Otherwise, FSU is preferable in most cases.

Though the football program is now a train wreck, but FSU would still be ranked ahead of Miami and UCF. UCF is now close to the level of UM, and gaining ground on both FSU and UM, but still has a ways to go. That being said it is bigger, and far ahead of many state flag ship universities.

At one time there was a big 3 in Florida, I think a big 4 is very close to happening.

(09-27-2021 12:38 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:27 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  UCF has passed FSU and could be close to Miami. Florida is obviously #1 currently.

Only on the field and in engineering only because FSU shares its school with FAMU. Otherwise, FSU is preferable in most cases.

I’m confused, did you actually read the article and think it was about academics?

It's a convoluted point On one hand there is number one in a state, but totally different talking about number of house holds, or pointing out some town has a low population.

If you're talking "mind share" and including alums and fans that don't all live in one city, that's a different ball game than size of the home market. Pointing out the size of Charleston WV is irrelevant if most of the fans don't live there. Similarly, saying a certain city has X number of households is pointless if there are a dozen D1 schools in the state or the immediate area, or in a place like Florida or Atlanta that have grown with large numbers of people from moving other parts of the country who don't care about the local teams as much as their alma mater back home. [/align]

(09-27-2021 07:19 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:38 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:27 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  UCF has passed FSU and could be close to Miami. Florida is obviously #1 currently.

Only on the field and in engineering only because FSU shares its school with FAMU. Otherwise, FSU is preferable in most cases.

Though the football program is now a train wreck, but FSU would still be ranked ahead of Miami and UCF. UCF is now close to the level of UM, and gaining ground on both FSU and UM, but still has a ways to go. That being said it is bigger, and far ahead of many state flag ship universities.

At one time there was a big 3 in Florida, I think a big 4 is very close to happening.

I think UCF probably has taken on more risk than any other school going to the L8 aligning themselves with a lot of central time zone schools. They are on an island. This very well may effect their home state recruiting and as the Malzhan effect wears off it maybe found he's just an average coach at best. Just ask an Auburn fan. We'll see what happens and if the geography improves for them with future expansion. There is little doubt The Big12 is going to lose programs to the Pac12 and the Big 10 possibly. As many as 6 could be out of there as they continue to reach out and then it will get real interesting.

I just don't get the time zone obsessions when you are talking about one time zone differences.

(09-27-2021 09:13 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 07:19 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:38 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:27 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  UCF has passed FSU and could be close to Miami. Florida is obviously #1 currently.

Only on the field and in engineering only because FSU shares its school with FAMU. Otherwise, FSU is preferable in most cases.

Though the football program is now a train wreck, but FSU would still be ranked ahead of Miami and UCF. UCF is now close to the level of UM, and gaining ground on both FSU and UM, but still has a ways to go. That being said it is bigger, and far ahead of many state flag ship universities.

At one time there was a big 3 in Florida, I think a big 4 is very close to happening.

I think UCF probably has taken on more risk than any other school going to the L8 aligning themselves with a lot of central time zone schools. They are on an island. This very well may effect their home state recruiting and as the Malzhan effect wears off it maybe found he's just an average coach at best. Just ask an Auburn fan. We'll see what happens and if the geography improves for them with future expansion. There is little doubt The Big12 is going to lose programs to the Pac12 and the Big 10 possibly. As many as 6 could be out of there as they continue to reach out and then it will get real interesting.

Malzahn is likeable. But you hire coaches to win. Malzahn is a talent exploiter, not a talent developer. E.G, the ongoing mediocrity at the QB position except for transfers Cam Newton when Malzahn was OC, and Nick Marshall when he became head coach.
When he finds a good back he runs him until he is injured and then #2 plays. So his teams never develop depth. And left to his own devices he emphasizes defense very little. It took the Auburn AD threatening his job and insisting he hire Steele for our program to get competitive again. Good luck with him is all I have to say.

(09-27-2021 09:13 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 07:19 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:38 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:27 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  UCF has passed FSU and could be close to Miami. Florida is obviously #1 currently.

Only on the field and in engineering only because FSU shares its school with FAMU. Otherwise, FSU is preferable in most cases.

Though the football program is now a train wreck, but FSU would still be ranked ahead of Miami and UCF. UCF is now close to the level of UM, and gaining ground on both FSU and UM, but still has a ways to go. That being said it is bigger, and far ahead of many state flag ship universities.

At one time there was a big 3 in Florida, I think a big 4 is very close to happening.

I think UCF probably has taken on more risk than any other school going to the L8 aligning themselves with a lot of central time zone schools. They are on an island. This very well may effect their home state recruiting and as the Malzhan effect wears off it maybe found he's just an average coach at best. Just ask an Auburn fan. We'll see what happens and if the geography improves for them with future expansion. There is little doubt The Big12 is going to lose programs to the Pac12 and the Big 10 possibly. As many as 6 could be out of there as they continue to reach out and then it will get real interesting.

None of the 4 are taking any risk at all.